Wiggins, a man in love!

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hrotha

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Parker said:
He actually said that he had only once raced against him "during his reign" (i.e. when he was winning Tours). People like to leave that last bit off so it fits their ramblings
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No, you see, the point he was making when he said that was that he didn't feel cheated personally because he hadn't raced against Lance. As in, they hadn't contended the same races at all. The omission of the 2009 Tour is relevant and glaring.
 
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hrotha said:
No, you see, the point he was making when he said that was that he didn't feel cheated personally because he hadn't raced against Lance. As in, they hadn't contended the same races at all. The omission of the 2009 Tour is relevant and glaring.
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is relevant to what, exactly?
 
The Hitch

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will10 said:
You'd have thought going tête-à-tête with a 7x Tour winner would be somewhat memorable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=-H2ymR-rjuA#t=830s
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It was. Thats why his book had lance on the front cover and a chapter dedicated to him and speeches on podiums dedicated to him and interviews to newspapers dedicated to him and succesful training workouts dedicated to him all the way up until Lance became persona non grata in October.
hrotha said:
It's relevant in that it shows Wiggins was talking BS.
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Havent you heard the latest explaination?

It goes something like this. - Who knows why Wiggins says what he says. Its a tortured thought proccess or something. But dont you dare try and take any meaning from what Wiggins says. Who are you to take Wiggins at his word?

He doesnt mean any of it. Well not the bad stuff anyway.
 
happytramp

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Wiggins said:
... it's sad for the sport. I don't know what the bitter people such as kimmage are now going to do with their lives.
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What the hell! How can Wiggin's come out with something like that? He sounds exactly like Lance!

Seriously! Has he been take over by a body snatcher? What happened to the "the public have a right to question every tour winner for at least seven years" Wiggin's?
 
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happytramp said:
What the hell! How can Wiggin's come out with something like that? He sounds exactly like Lance!

Seriously! Has he been take over by a body snatcher? What happened to the "the public have a right to question every tour winner for at least seven years" Wiggins?
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It doesn't take a rocket scientist to work it out does it?

I mean if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it's a ****ing duck.
 
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JRanton said:
:rolleyes: You're right, he doesn't. He actually says ''very bitter''.

Have a listen for yourself: http://media.newstalk.ie/archive

Scroll down to ''Off the ball'', Part 1 Tuesday 15 January at 11 minutes 40 into it.
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Not in relation to Kimmage he doesn't, just about 'lots of people'. It's the presenters who link it to Kimmage specifically.

And he's right. There are lots of people who are bitter about Armstrong. They'll tell you that themselves.
 
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happytramp said:
What the hell! How can Wiggin's come out with something like that? He sounds exactly like Lance!

Seriously! Has he been take over by a body snatcher? What happened to the "the public have a right to question every tour winner for at least seven years" Wiggin's?
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Rumour has it that Wiggy was actually grown in the lab from Lances other nut !

This also explains the dodgy sideburns.... :D
 
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hrotha said:
It's relevant in that it shows Wiggins was talking BS.
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an equally plausible interpretation is that he was referring to a generation or cohort of riders that emerged in the early 90s - Armstrong, Ullrich, Pantani, Zulle, etc. In any case, it's pretty clear that Wiggins and many other pro riders aren't exactly lawyerly in their word choice, not that a professed opinion about another rider or changes to that opinion are indicative of doping as some suppose here.
 
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Not in relation to Kimmage he doesn't, just about 'lots of people'. It's the presenters who link it to Kimmage specifically.

And he's right. There are lots of people who are bitter about Armstrong. They'll tell you that themselves.
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Oh don't be absurd. He's quite clearly making the comment in relation to Kimmage (and others).
 
martinvickers

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JRanton said:
:rolleyes: You're right, he doesn't. He actually says ''very bitter''.

Have a listen for yourself: http://media.newstalk.ie/archive

Scroll down to ''Off the ball'', Part 1 Tuesday 15 January at 11 minutes 40 into it.
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It's an odd piece from Wiggins, right enough. Sort of half understanding and empathetic, half sneering of anti-doping advocates - he seems to understand their anger, but have contempt for it at the same time. One or the other i could understand, (the former anti-foping, the later pro-omerta)but both? odd indeed.


I think the NT boys overegg it a bit how much of an "eyeopener" it is - probably an understandable protectiveness of our own Paul Kimmage; the undertone of Wiggins comments seem, if anything, more anti-Kimmage than pro-Armstrong, though that's just my opinion.

Wiggins specifically mentions 'what Kimmage said last week about me and the team' - which can only mean the interview in the German paper - If we didn't know it already, it seems pretty clear that Wiggins dislike of Kimmage runs very deep and pretty personal, and I doubt that kimmy's 'accusations' in the German press helped matters. Wiggins is pretty much saying 'these people' are so angry about armstrong, that they are accusing everybody, in Kimmage's case me included - and it's the me included bit seems to set him off.

On the one hand, i wonder did Armstrong poison Wiggins against Kimmage during their 'friendly period c. 2009.

On the other, I wonder if the animus between the two is absolutely personal - I think back to that invite to travel with Sky - Brailsford seemed signed on and happy enough - which possibly suggests he was comfortable on the 'clean' issue - only for wiggins to put the kibbosh on it personally. Some here assume that suggests 'dirtiness' on Wiggins part. What it certainly shows is animus.

I'm just very curious as to the root of that animus.

But that it exists in both directions is as clear as day now.
 
thehog

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martinvickers said:
It's an odd piece from Wiggins, right enough. Sort of half understanding and empathetic, half sneering of anti-doping advocates - he seems to understand their anger, but have contempt for it at the same time. One or the other i could understand, (the former anti-foping, the later pro-omerta)but both? odd indeed.


I think the NT boys overegg it a bit how much of an "eyeopener" it is - probably an understandable protectiveness of our own Paul Kimmage; the undertone of Wiggins comments seem, if anything, more anti-Kimmage than pro-Armstrong, though that's just my opinion.

Wiggins specifically mentions 'what Kimmage said last week about me and the team' - which can only mean the interview in the German paper - If we didn't know it already, it seems pretty clear that Wiggins dislike of Kimmage runs very deep and pretty personal, and I doubt that kimmy's 'accusations' in the German press helped matters. Wiggins is pretty much saying 'these people' are so angry about armstrong, that they are accusing everybody, in Kimmage's case me included - and it's the me included bit seems to set him off.

On the one hand, i wonder did Armstrong poison Wiggins against Kimmage during their 'friendly period c. 2009.

On the other, I wonder if the animus between the two is absolutely personal - I think back to that invite to travel with Sky - Brailsford seemed signed on and happy enough - which possibly suggests he was comfortable on the 'clean' issue - only for wiggins to put the kibbosh on it personally. Some here assume that suggests 'dirtiness' on Wiggins part. What it certainly shows is animus.

I'm just very curious as to the root of that animus.

But that it exists in both directions is as clear as day now.
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Problem is Wiggins is almost saying;"Its Lance and Me vs Kimmage".

You can tell that Wiggo is just not happy with kicking Lance to the curb. He still wants to love him. If only the media would let Wiggo love Lance then he wouldn't have to make statements he really didn't want to make. Truth be told Wiggins doesn't care about Lance's drug use. He really doesn't. But he has to pretend that he does because that's the world cycling lives in. You have to pretend drugs are bad. When in reality they make you win and recover really well.

Tough life for the 2012 Tour Winner.
 
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It doesn't add up (well it does, but not to a favourable conclusion)

To go from from what he said after the 2007 Tour to what he says in that interview is just quite extraordinary.

I mean Wiggins can't even conceal his contempt for a man and other anti-doping advocates who have gone after the very person (a drugs cheat) who denied him (supposedly a 'clean' cyclist) a podium place at the 2009 Tour de France, which at the time would have been the greatest achievement of his career.

Sorry, but what's going on here really should be staring everybody in the bloody face.

As Lance was fond of saying, NOT NORMAL!
 
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In 2007 he was talking about something he had no experience in.

In 2009 he was riding in a team full of dopers, riding up mountains alongside dopers... it's hard to maintain the same convictions in that environment.
 
Dear Wiggo

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In 2007 he was talking about something he had no experience in.

In 2009 he was riding in a team full of dopers, riding up mountains alongside dopers... it's hard to maintain the same convictions in that environment.
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Kinda like an altered version of Stockholm syndrome?
 
will10

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Wow Bradley, I hope you were drunk when you said that, cos that rings a whole lot of alarm bells.
 
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