Wiggins, a man in love!

[Wallace and Gromit]

Hello he was praising him on podiums and said - i love him, and has his picture on his autobiography cover.

There's no picture of Lance on the front of his latest autobiography which covers the period from Oct 2010 to the 2012 Olympics, at least not on the edition I've got. The front cover is adorned with an arty mugshot of Sir Bradley himself.

He's not been particularly pro-Lance since the USADA report, but that doesn't get mentioned too much here as it doesn't fit the narrative.

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

Maybe they prefer the ones that are cheapest

I live in Yorkshire, so cheapness will be a prime consideration of the locals!

Sir Brad is very popular amongst local riders, even if he is domiciled in Lancashire.

 

[ebandit]

scared?

BW is scared of LA and what he might say, he doesn't want to criticize him openly and his trying to distance himself from the era because he doesn't want LA to come out with something like 'cycling is still and always will be a dirty sport', 'its just not possible to win the Tour clean' etc etc.

why would brad be scared of lance?...............if lance was to say......

'its just not possible to win the Tour clean'...........no-one would even take notice

it would be as much fact as posts in the clinic...................and likely to be viewed as an excuse by lance that he was unable to compete clean

 

[martinvickers]

It really isn't that difficult.

I pointed out right at the outset, that when Kimmage is asked directly about if Wiggins is doping he says "I don't know".

What you have attempted to do since is dismiss Kimmage on some made up personality clash, which has no relevance to what Kimmage would ask.

Bullsh!t. Sorry, but that's bullsh!t.

1. I've dismissed nobody - that's completely dishonest, and I urge you to quote the supposed dismissing remark or retract it.

2. Invented personality clash - you must be kidding!!

3. I made it clear, and it is objectively clear that, since the German interview at least, Kimmage's line on Wiggins/Sky has hardened. I have made no, i repeat no, judgement on that hardening - but I have noted it as a factual reality - he is clearly well past the simple "i don't know" phase now.

As I've said, if you have misinterpretted my accurate, and explicitly non-committal description as a critical commentary, that's your mistake, not mine.

 

[thehog]

BW is scared of LA and what he might say, he doesn't want to criticize him openly and his trying to distance himself from the era because he doesn't want LA to come out with something like 'cycling is still and always will be a dirty sport', 'its just not possible to win the Tour clean' etc etc.

It’s so funny. I agree BW is scared of Lance. BW thought Lance would never admit and now he is he’s running scared on how much he’s going to say.

 

[The Hitch]

There's no picture of Lance on the front of his latest autobiography which covers the period from Oct 2010 to the 2012 Olympics, at least not on the edition I've got. The front cover is adorned with an arty mugshot of Sir Bradley himself.

His 2009 autobiography.

He's not been particularly pro-Lance since the USADA report,

Why is that. Did he only just realise lance was a doper ?

but that doesn't get mentioned too much here as it doesn't fit the narrative.

What narrative.

And feel free to.mention it all you want. while you are at it you might want to explain why you think it has any significance whatsoever.

 

[ebandit]

lance

It’s so funny. I agree BW is scared of Lance. BW thought Lance would never admit and now he is he’s running scared on how much he’s going to say.

ha ha! and what could lance say about brad that would make a difference?

if brad is doping...............it's not lance that will catch him out

 

[thehog]

Reading that interview, its as if Wiggins is playing a game of 'how much can I say - without actually saying that 'I'm a doper just like Lance'. To say that he 'doesn't feel let down by LA' that quite frankly is beyond a joke.

Don’t forget this is the “clean team” that Millar and co. are holding up as the “new era” of cycling. But that clean team is in love with the biggest bully and filthy doper cycling has ever seen.

Great to see cycling has moved on. Reminds of the things Lance used to say about Festina in 99. He said Willy Voet was full of it and made up his book!

 

[The Hitch]

It’s so funny. I agree BW is scared of Lance. BW thought Lance would never admit and now he is he’s running scared on how much he’s going to say.

You "agree" ?

i though you "knew"

Lance already said he won't bring down cyclists so this whole wiggins is scared lance will burn him for.no reason bull**** you've been running was proved false from the get go.

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

His 2009 autobiography.

That was then. This is now. The past is a foreign country etc.

Why is that. Did he only just realise lance was a doper ?

I'll take a punt that it's because since the USADA report, Lance has officially been a liar, doper, bully etc. and thus has very little influence. Ergo, one can be critical of him where previously one kept on his good side.

What narrative.

That Wiggo loves Lance and continues to do so since the USADA report. There's nothing in Wiggo's comments since to suggest he's particularly close to Lance.

While you are at it you might want to explain why you think it has any significance whatsoever.

My pointing out of facts that have been misrepresented to portray Wiggo in an unfavourable light have as much significance as the conclusion drawn from those misrepresented facts: ie absolutely b*gger all!

 

[thehog]

Don’t forget this is the “clean team” that Millar and co. are holding up as the “new era” of cycling. But that clean team is in love with the biggest bully and filthy doper cycling has ever seen.

Great to see cycling has moved on. Reminds of the things Lance used to say about Festina in 99. He said Willy Voet was full of it and made up his book!

Hasn't cycling come a long way

The media have given a forum to this man. They give him credibility and the possibility for him to speak. This man makes money out of the whole affair at the same time. If he says something, his name becomes even more important...Willy Voet is completely full of ****."

http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/results/2001/jun01/jun20news.php

 

[thehog]

You "agree" ?

i though you "knew"

Lance already said he won't bring down cyclists so this whole wiggins is scared lance will burn him for.no reason bull**** you've been running was proved false from the get go.

You think Wiggins will take that bet?

His tune has changed dramatically from the time the USADA report dropped.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Bullsh!t. Sorry, but that's bullsh!t.

1. I've dismissed nobody - that's completely dishonest, and I urge you to quote the supposed dismissing remark or retract it.

2. Invented personality clash - you must be kidding!!

3. I made it clear, and it is objectively clear that, since the German interview at least, Kimmage's line on Wiggins/Sky has hardened. I have made no, i repeat no, judgement on that hardening - but I have noted it as a factual reality - he is clearly well past the simple "i don't know" phase now.

As I've said, if you have misinterpretted my accurate, and explicitly non-committal description as a critical commentary, that's your mistake, not mine.

I have not misinterpreted anything, nor will I retract what I say.

You continue to use Kimmages personality as an excuse for Wiggins.
Also, any clash between the 2 is a fairly recent, and mainly as a result of Wiggins wanting to avoid Kimmage or more accurately to avoid his questions.

 

[mastersracer]

You think Wiggins will take that bet?

His tune has changed dramatically from the time the USADA report dropped.

post USADA report, Wiggins has said he's a better cyclist than Armstrong ever was, says he doesn't want to raise his kids the way Armstrong does because he doesn't want to raise 'f'ing idiots' so not sure where all the love for Lance sentiments are coming from.

Cavendish also complains about having to remark on Armstrong any more...

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

I have not misinterpreted anything, nor will I retract what I say.

You continue to use Kimmages personality as an excuse for Wiggins.
Also, any clash between the 2 is a fairly recent, and mainly as a result of Wiggins wanting to avoid Kimmage or more accurately to avoid his questions.

Didn't Kimmage get barred from being embedded with Sky by Wiggo in 2010 or 2011, after Brailsford had agreed it?

Even if 2011, the bad feeling between the two has clearly been around for quite some time. Now that Sir Brad is top of the tree, Kimmage can make a lot more out of it, so their spat has only recently been high profile.

Kimmage was clearly out to make trouble when he referred in his tweet to the 4 Sky employees being sacked. They weren't sacked, because they were paid off, or in Yates' case "retired". (The sackings will come later when skeletons emerge!) If he wasn't making trouble then he hadn't done his homework to know the difference, and he's not a guy to not to his homework.

 

[ebandit]

news

Hasn't cycling come a long way

great trolling hoggie..............create a story.................then reply to your own post

you have a good imagination.....picture this headline.............'disgraced
cyclist lance said brad doped............i'm saying this for the good of cycling'

...............yes! poor 'lil brad would be quaking

 

[martinvickers]

I have not misinterpreted anything, nor will I retract what I say.

Well, sadly, in my view that makes you blatently dishonest, so I'm afraid that's likely to flavour our communications, or lack thereof, henceforward. That's a pity, but I don't see a suitable alternative for dealing with dishonesty.

You continue to use Kimmages personality as an excuse for Wiggins.
Also, any clash between the 2 is a fairly recent, and mainly as a result of Wiggins wanting to avoid Kimmage or more accurately to avoid his questions.

The clash goes back at least to 2010, and possibly much earlier. And I don't use it as an 'excuse' for anyone; simply as an obvious explanation of the continuing, and now plainly public, series of jibes between the two men.

And with that, as set out above, cheerio.

[IGNORE]

 

[thehog]

post USADA report, Wiggins has said he's a better cyclist than Armstrong ever was, says he doesn't want to raise his kids the way Armstrong does because he doesn't want to raise 'f'ing idiots' so not sure where all the love for Lance sentiments are coming from.

Cavendish also complains about having to remark on Armstrong any more...

Correct.

As I stated. Since Lance’s pending “admission” Wiggins has gone into damage control mode and started blaming the “bitter” people.

Its funny to watch.

 

[Cycle Chic]

UCI Corruption

you have a good imagination.....picture this headline.............'disgraced
cyclist lance said brad doped............i'm saying this for the good of cycling'...............yes! poor 'lil brad would be quaking

well Lance is not gona say that...but what he is gona do, is show that the UCI is corrupt....which will lead to an investigation...which may show that Sky (Bradley) have been adding to the McQuaid / Verbruggen pension kitty.

 

[ebandit]

maybe

well Lance is not gona say that...but what he is gona do, is show that the UCI is corrupt....which will lead to an investigation...which may show that Sky (Bradley) have been adding to the McQuaid / Verbruggen pension kitty.

maybe.....................probably not

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Well, sadly, in my view that makes you blatently dishonest, so I'm afraid that's likely to flavour our communications, or lack thereof, henceforward. That's a pity, but I don't see a suitable alternative for dealing with dishonesty.

If you wish to point out where I have been dishonest, feel free to do so.

The clash goes back at least to 2010, and possibly much earlier. And I don't use it as an 'excuse' for anyone; simply as an obvious explanation of the continuing, and now plainly public, series of jibes between the two men.

2010, where Wiggins did not want Kimmage around, even though it was agreed by Brailsford.
Thats not a "clash' - thats plain avoiding someone, the obvious question is why?

And with that, as set out above, cheerio.

[IGNORE]

Seems like you are following the blueprint of Brad, which was of course the blueprint of you know who.
Good luck with that.

 

[The Hitch]

That was then. This is now. The past is a foreign country etc.

Of all your attempts to excuse Wiggins clearly idiotic support for Lance this is the most bizzare.

so when celebrities or politicians say something stupid or offensive we should forget about it the second their pr advisers advise them to it was the wrong thing to say.

By the same logic we should forgive and forget all lances years of denials because 2 days ago he admitted he doped and "the past is another country"

That Wiggo loves Lance and continues to do so since the USADA report. There's nothing in Wiggo's comments since to suggest he's particularly close to Lance.

Excuse me, who's narrative is that? People have been arguing that wiggins is still close to Lance? News to me.

the actual narrative of people who believe wiggins is shady, is that Wiggins went overnight from someone who struggled to finish the tour de france, while so passionately anti doping he openly questioned if he would ever come back to the sport, to someone contending for the overall at the Tour de France who actually no longer believes doping is a problem and cosy with the very people 2 years previous he was calling out. (eg, calling out Michele Ferrari by name as bad for the sport, to 2 years later defending Michele Ferraris number 1 client)

The narrative is btw quite solidly based in fact.

 

[mastersracer]

Of all your attempts to excuse Wiggins clearly idiotic support for Lance this is the most bizzare.

so when celebrities or politicians say something stupid or offensive we should forget about it the second their pr advisers advise them to it was the wrong thing to say.

By the same logic we should forgive and forget all lances years of denials because 2 days ago he admitted he doped and "the past is another country"



Excuse me, who's narrative is that? People have been arguing that wiggins is still close to Lance? News to me.

the actual narrative of people who believe wiggins is shady, is that Wiggins went overnight from someone who struggled to finish the tour de france, while so passionately anti doping he openly questioned if he would ever come back to the sport, to someone contending for the overall at the Tour de France who actually no longer believes doping is a problem and cosy with the very people 2 years previous he was calling out. (eg, calling out Michele Ferrari by name as bad for the sport, to 2 years later defending Michele Ferraris number 1 client)

The narrative is btw quite solidly based in fact.

Except this narrative would be largely the same had Wiggins continued those tirades against dopers, except now those tirades would be interpreted as evidence of doping in the same way Sky's or Garmin's anti-doping talk is regarded as a smokescreen, a deceitful ploy. Point is, there are some here who take both A and not-A as evidence of Sky/Wiggins doping. If Wiggins had come to some decision to dope, wouldn't it have made as much sense to keep up a strong anti-doping front? As for the overnight transformation, that's been discussed here in great depth with no consensus.

 

[thehog]

If Wiggins had come to some decision to dope, wouldn't it have made as much sense to keep up a strong anti-doping front? As for the overnight transformation, that's been discussed here in great depth with no consensus.

It’s not the doping that conflicts cyclists but the lying.

 

[del1962]

I have not misinterpreted anything, nor will I retract what I say.

You continue to use Kimmages personality as an excuse for Wiggins.
Also, any clash between the 2 is a fairly recent, and mainly as a result of Wiggins wanting to avoid Kimmage or more accurately to avoid his questions.

Actually I think Wiggins felt used by Kimmage in the past, if you read his book he feels Kimmage was trying to steer his answers in a certain direction, as if Brad was to be Kimmage's spokesman on LA prior to his comeback.

I would like to know why Kimmage turned down the offer from Sky in 2010 though when Wiggins said he did not want him around at the start, but he could have been around a few days in, very odd from Kimmage.