Wiggins, a man in love!

[Race Radio]

Actually I didn't see anything from Armstrong's people wasn't common knowledge throughout cycling and that that didn't come directly from the people who are Armstrong's biggest critics. The only people that changed were the people that started the rumors in the first place.

It is easy to not see something when you are blinded by love

Who started the extortion rumors? The "Floyd is a drunk" rumors were started by Neil Rodgers from Velonews.....thanks to some friendly guidance from "Pro Peloton insiders"

We can all agree Lance's smear campaign on Floyd was massive, well organized, and focused. It is dishonest to pretend otherwise.

 

[Race Radio]

I named two who had worked with JV closely who are friends of Lance Armstrong. You said those who rode for JV habe to believe Lance Armstrong is toxit. This is patently not the case.

I very much doubt JV is enjoying this as much as Betsy. Remember, he didn't want this investigation and is very much from the school of leading by example and moving on. Notable that he disappeared from here the moment the charges came out.

JV talked to USADA before Floyd. He made it clear to his riders that they had to work with USADA and be open and honest with them, if they didn't they would be fired.

JV has been a very sporadic contributor here, going months between posts. Pretending that he has "left" because of the investigation is just more troll babble.

 

[TechnicalDescent]

It is easy to not see something when you are blinded by love

Or it's easy to directly know someone and have a more rounded and sensible view of the person. Knowing JV well doesn't make everybody start viewing Armstrong as a cartoon characher.

Who started the extortion rumors? The "Floyd is a drunk" rumors were started by Neil Rodgers from Velonews.....thanks to some friendly guidance from "Pro Peloton insiders"

We can all agree Lance's smear campaign on Floyd was massive, well organized, and focused. It is dishonest to pretend otherwise.

They simply repeated the same remarks everybody in cycling already knew.

Did you ever reference Floyd's drinking before he came out? Ever joke about it as way to put him down? It would be interesting to have a direct answer to that question?

 

[Race Radio]

Or it's easy to directly know someone and have a more rounded and sensible view of the person.

Yup, JV knows him well

"People get close to Armstrong," says Jonathan Vaughters, a former teammate, "and then something inevitably goes haywire

I realized lance was full of **** when he'd say everyone was doing it

lance dupes everyone

 

[TechnicalDescent]

No answer to the question here. lol.

 

[FabulousCandelabra]

How does that skeleton of a man, get so close to a beefcake powerhouse like Fabian?? How can you lose soooo much weight and retain all that power???

 

[sartoris]

How does that skeleton of a man, get so close to a beefcake powerhouse like Fabian?? How can you lose soooo much weight and retain all that power???

Doping himself to the gills. Not caught as yet, but looking forward to it.

 

[Normandy]

Doping himself to the gills. Not caught as yet, but looking forward to it.

+1

Particularly for the first half he was not particularly quick. How did he go so fast in the second half?

 

[Ferminal]

I will take a Lance avatar for a year if Wiggins ever gets busted.

 

[Maxiton]

I will take a Lance avatar for a year if Wiggins ever gets busted.

Does that mean you think he's not doping? That his program is too sophisticated for the testers? Or, that he has protection?

 

[Ferminal]

Does that mean you think he's not doping? That his program is too sophisticated for the testers? Or, that he has protection?

All of the above?

He's either not doping so will not get caught, or on a top shelf program so will not get caught. Plus we know the UCI doesn't go near the passport of the top guys.

(I'm not sitting on the fence, my probabilities are firmly in with the latter two).

 

[thehog]

All of the above?

He's either not doping so will not get caught, or on a top shelf program so will not get caught. Plus we know the UCI doesn't go near the passport of the top guys.

(I'm not sitting on the fence, my probabilities are firmly in with the latter two).

The UCI are currently combing through the passport files of several mid ranked pros in their late 30s nearing retirement. Should be some big announcements soon.

 

[Maxiton]

All of the above?

He's either not doping so will not get caught, or on a top shelf program so will not get caught. Plus we know the UCI doesn't go near the passport of the top guys.

(I'm not sitting on the fence, my probabilities are firmly in with the latter two).

Thanks for that response. I agree 100%. I wonder if anyone's introduced him to Dr. Ferrari . . .

 

[thehog]

Thanks for that response. I agree 100%. I wonder if anyone's introduced him to Dr. Ferrari . . .

I do wonder how Wiggo’s man love is going at the moment. Come Saturday will he refer to USPS powerhouse again? Hope so! Maybe they’ll ask him about Armstrong and he can tell us about never testing positive.

 

[taiwan]

All of the above?

He's either not doping so will not get caught, or on a top shelf program so will not get caught. Plus we know the UCI doesn't go near the passport of the top guys.

(I'm not sitting on the fence, my probabilities are firmly in with the latter two).

Agree in general. He gives the impression of someone who's confident he won't get caught. Whichever way.

 

[Jeremiah]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010/jul/25/tour-de-france-2010-lance-armstrong

"I love him," Wiggins said. "I think he's great. He's transformed the sport in so many ways. Every person in cycling has benefitted from Lance Armstrong, perhaps not financially but in some sense. Even his strongest critics have benefitted from him. I don't think this sport will ever realise what he's brought it or how big he's made it.

One of those clapping journalist a-holes needs to throw this in Wigan's face.

Absolutely disgraceful that after all cycling has been through he's lashing out at the people who got it right.

 

[oldcrank]

Absolutely disgraceful that after all cycling has been through he's lashing out at the people who got it right.

Or is it you lashing out at people who got it right?

 

[Jeremiah]

Or is it you lashing out at people who got it right?

Huh?

 

[Caruut]

Or is it you lashing out at people who got it right?

Or is it you lashing out at people who got it right?

 

[Zerak-Tul]

"They can’t ever imagine applying themselves to anything in their lives"

Hahah, wow, you'd think he'd have a little more sense than that. That sentence is like spoken by Armstrong himself "anyone who doubts me are just jealous of what I have achieved!"

You'd think people who are part of this sport would stop and think "Hrm, yeah, I can see why people are suspicious of anyone doing well, considering a pattern that has lasted some 20 years now of nearly every top level competitor being doped to the gills, yet lying vehemently about it. I don't like my hard work being "insulted" by such allegations, but I can't really expect people to override every past experience from the last 20 years."

 

[SaxonUK]

I don't see the issue with Wiggins saying that he applauds what Armstrong brought to the sport. The doping allegations, while tarnishing his reputation, don't take into account the fact that to many young riders Lance Armstrong was an inspiration, and continues to be.

 

[Cavalier]

I don't see the issue with Wiggins saying that he applauds what Armstrong brought to the sport. The doping allegations, while tarnishing his reputation, don't take into account the fact that to many young riders Lance Armstrong was an inspiration, and continues to be.

And what of all the young riders who said (and say) "I want to be just like Lance" ?

 

[SaxonUK]

And what of all the young riders who said (and say) "I want to be just like Lance" ?

What about them? To want to be just like one of your heroes isn't something to read into so far as doping is concerned. While many people had their doubts in the cleanliness of Armstrong, there were still plenty of fans new to the sport, as well as regular followers, who saw Lance Armstrong as a clean rider who won fairly, someone worthy of being an inspiration to others.

This doesn't mean that young riders who then find out about Armstrongs potential doping automaticallly think "Then I have to dope as well".

 

[Hugh Januss]

Wigans wants to be just like Lance, right up until last year.

 

[Cavalier]

there were still plenty of fans new to the sport, as well as regular followers, who saw Lance Armstrong as a clean rider who won fairly, someone worthy of being an inspiration to others.

And that's where your argument comes apart. Being duped into believing something that isn't true isn't acceptable. Something's pretty wrong with your moral compass when that example is able to be ignored.