Wiggins Discussion thread.

[pastronef]

As the Champs

 

[Pack Fodder]

Got to love Tinkoff. Makes me laugh everytime I read something about him.

Funny, yes. But would that be worst move ever for 2015? for both parties?

Contador would love a machine like Wiggins to bring him half way up the climbs. In return Wiggins gets Roubaix, choice of Giro or Vuelta (Nicolas Roche get's the other) and time off toward the end for a run at the 2016 Games.


And would Wiggins enjoy the freedom to explicitly try to hurt Froome and Sky in 2015?

 

[William H]

This +100000. Even last year when it was Wiggins turn to let froome have his shot at the tour after froome slaved for him in 2012, he tried to backdoor froome through the media and position himself as the leader. Froome never did that to Wiggins in 2012.

Why is Wiggins not allowed to want to defend his title?

 

[Pack Fodder]

He is clearly trying to force DB into publicly saying he is still in the picture.

One thing is clear to me. He is gone from SKY by the end of the year.
This sort of thing will not sit well with the powers that be.

He needs to be thankful that DB isn't in charge of the Olympic selection anymore.
Then he could be putting his Rio selection in jeopardy.

Maybe that is factored in. Brailsford is gone from BC, Wiggins' mate Sutton is in. and apparently Wiggin's doing a 'serious' Road/Track double at the commonwealth games - ITT and team pursuit.

GB's team pursuit team is a bit weak right now, I think. Is Wiggins tempted, I wonder to a (insane, i personally think) attempt at a road track double in Rio 2016, to clock up 6 golds and join/pass Chris Hoy? The Olympic Games have always mattered far more to Wiggins than most cyclists...It would be lunacy; but since when did that stop ambition.

 

[CycloAndy]

Reap what you sow.

Exactly, maybe Froome will learn that before it is too late..but I doubt it!

 

[VO2 Max]

its a very important stage tho. why not have them both?

the last time the cobbles were used the front group(6 riders) came in 53 seconds ahead of the second group (6 riders). and 1min 46 seconds ahead of the third group (8 riders).

so if contador finishes 53seconds ahead of froome all he will have to do for the rest of the tour is follow his wheel.

so ill repeat this could be the most important stage of the tour. why not have both?

Point is there is the strength in his team to cope, there is Thomas and maybe Eisel too who has good results over the cobbles. Those big gaps are exactly why they don't want Wiggins there: if he makes the front split can you be sure he'll hold back for Froome or might he actually fancy heading into the hills with a minute or more's advantage?

 

[oldcrank]

As far as the Tour de France goes, Mr. Wiggins has
already been there, won that. I would like to see
Sir Brad take a real good run at the World ITT
championship this year and next.

Also, the 2016 Rio Olympic qualifying window opens
on July 15, 2014 I believe, and there is also the Hour
Record, so I think Wiggo has a number of possibilities
to keep himself occupied for the next year or two.

Best of luck to the lad, whatever path he chooses.

 

[arvc40]

One things for sure Team Sky and Froome do not need Wiggins to win the Tour. Instead of ****ing around the last 2 years he should have integrated himself into the group that is going to the Tour. Froome said he has not seen him since January. He talks of taking different path's, well he should have considered the path where he works alongside Froome
As described in the BBC interview.

Brought it on himself TBH.

 

[elfed68]

Funny, yes. But would that be worst move ever for 2015? for both parties?

Contador would love a machine like Wiggins to bring him half way up the climbs. In return Wiggins gets Roubaix, choice of Giro or Vuelta (Nicolas Roche get's the other) and time off toward the end for a run at the 2016 Games.


And would Wiggins enjoy the freedom to explicitly try to hurt Froome and Sky in 2015?

I bet Contador would love Wiggins and Rogers in front up the mountains!
I bet he's hot property on the transfer market now come August.

 

[veji11]

I bet Contador would love Wiggins and Rogers in front up the mountains!
I bet he's hot property on the transfer market now come August.

Come on Wiggo would want another couple of years of bein a leader on the tour with a strong team to support him. This why teams like Garmin or BMC (Tejay seems to have reached some limits) are likely bets.

 

[pastronef]

I hope JV is right now on the phone with Doug Ellis and the Garmin CEO to get some cash for Brad 2015

 

[zigmeister]

^This....nothing worse going up against than a former TDF champ, Gold medalist and ITT master being ****ed off at his former team, now motivated more than ever to prove he is the best.

Let's hope Wiggo takes that route and decides to lay the smack down on Froome and the rest while riding lead on another team.

At least, it would make for great TV/Drama and stories and great for the sport.

Froome is an **** BTW...the guy is coming off worse than Wiggo lately, especially with that ridiculous book.

 

[jaylew]

So because Froome is a little whiny ***** a in-form Wiggo can't ride the tdf. WTH

Wiggo is clearly on form and could have been a great asset in there tdf squad. Sky are letting personal issue's affect there judgment. For a team claiming they are all about being professionals and scientific and blabla this is pretty embarrassing haha

Chris Froome has dropped in my reckoning after this, and Brailsford for giving way.
Even if BW had gone rogue The Dawg could have seen him off in the mountains and proven himself a worthy champion by not losing too much in the ITT. But making sure he was DNS was sneaky and cowardly. Hope Alberto is in blistering form next month.

These. Can't stand the little **** but if Sky really wanted to field the best team Wiggins would be on it. I can only imagine the tempo he would have tapped out for Froome in the mountains. Man, how I hope Froome gets beat! (I would love a puncture at the wrong time on the cobbled stage and a loss of minutes)

If Contador said he doesn't want Kreuziger on his Tour squad, other than maybe a bad strategic choice, would there be any controversy?

Yes.

Is there a chance Sky may get booed at the team presentation? Probably not but that would be hilarious!

Probably won't happen but that would be awesome

I know this is the Wiggins discussion thread but it has been totally taken over by infatuated Wiggins' fans.

Nah, seems to me like plenty of people here are not Wiggins fans but still feel the decision was bad.

Wiggins with his regular childish tantrums interspersed with offish, snide comments and uncooperative behaviour every time he has ridden with Froome has made it plain that the only team he (Wiggins) can ride on is one where everybody else bends to his will and what he wants. He is a typical only child.

Though I do agree with this a bit.

Reap what you sow. Maybe Wiggins can learn from this and treat people with more respect in the future. A man learns best when he gets burnt.

Yes, but it still makes Froome look petty and weak and Brailsford looks like his b***h.

It's not revenge. He doesn't trust Wiggins. Has good reason to not trust Wiggins. So he keeps him off the team when he's trying to win a tour De france.

Yet he was ok with Froome riding the Tour with him in 2012 after his leadership being usurped in the 2011 Vuelta.

 

[The Hitch]

Why is Wiggins not allowed to want to defend his title?

Why was Froome not allowed to compete in 2012? Wiggins and Froome had a deal. Wiggins gets to go for 2012 - the olympic one with all the hype.

Froome gets 2013 - the after the Lord Mayors show one.

Wiggins was perfectly fine with it for the whole of 2012, even trying to get respect points by pretending to the media he was going to let Froome have the 2013 Tour out of pure benevolence and saying he only ever wanted to win one TDF anyway.

Then, once he got all the good things out of the deal and it was time for him to give back, suddenly Wiggins wants to go back on the deal.

 

[The Hitch]

Yet he was ok with Froome riding the Tour with him in 2012 after his leadership being usurped in the 2011 Vuelta.

What?

Are you serious?

froome was doing domestique duties for Wiggins even when he was in the red jersey.

Only when Wiggins was pushed out of gc contention on Angliru with 1 gc stage left, did the managment, with Wiggins consent, since he couldn't win the race anymore, allow Froome to go up the road.

Froome was as loyal in 2011 Vuelta as anyone could possibly be.

 

[Catwhoorg]

What?



Froome was as loyal in 2011 Vuelta as anyone could possibly be.

Indeed. There was a lot of stick here and elsewhere over he dom'ing in the leader's Jersey.


On the Angliru stage he literally stayed with Wiggo, until Wiggo waved him off. It was very obvious from the coverage that he (Wiggo) had cracked big time.

 

[willbick]

Team Sky (i.e. brailsford) know it wudda been a media nightmare having them both on the tour team. Constant questions and interest about the pair with every tiny little incident on and off the road. The idea that Wiggins' presence wouldve made things better overall for Sky is just ludicrous. Like i say, when Froome wins the tour in a few weeks time all this wiggins stuff will be completely forgotten

I bet all the cycling journos were crying into their cornflakes his morning!!

 

[jaylew]

What?

Are you serious?

froome was doing domestique duties for Wiggins even when he was in the red jersey.

Only when Wiggins was pushed out of gc contention on Angliru with 1 gc stage left, did the managment, with Wiggins consent, since he couldn't win the race anymore, allow Froome to go up the road.

Froome was as loyal in 2011 Vuelta as anyone could possibly be.

I completely agree with you but it doesn't change my opinion in any way as you've missed my point.

 

[Benotti69]

http://stevetilford.com/2014/06/06/wiggins-watching-the-2014-tour-that-starts-in-england/

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

Brilliant PR from Brad; i'd expect him to get a ride now as long as he's impressive in Switzerland.

 

[TANK91]

unlucky diva, maybe you're ego should have reached out to Froome long beforethis. Maybe say i want to be in all Froome's races and show you can help him(have we ever seen Wiggins ever help Froome once?) but no you left it to fester and fester. Froome don't need you anyway you like a boat anchor weighing him down.

 

[elfed68]

I've just watched Bradley's interview on BBC Breakfast, he came across very well, diplomatic and handled the questions with grace.
The new PR company's worked wonders, seems he's on a charm offensive since ToC.

I heard Chris Froome talking on Radio 2 the start of the week, woeful and awkward, certainly doesn't come across very well in a media situation, thanfully for him he's rather good on a bike.

 

[TANK91]

One things for sure Team Sky and Froome do not need Wiggins to win the Tour. Instead of ****ing around the last 2 years he should have integrated himself into the group that is going to the Tour. Froome said he has not seen him since January. He talks of taking different path's, well he should have considered the path where he works alongside Froome
As described in the BBC interview.

Brought it on himself TBH.

Exactly Wiggins fans do make me laugh just read this quote from arvc40 he hit the nail on the head. Compare Wiggo and Froome after they won the TDF? One is dedicted the other was trying to play mind games against Froome well look at Froome this year he is great again.

Why did Wiggo not reach out and say ill prove ill work it shoud be his duty too, he is so annoying it is actually funny, as one guy slaved and chucked away atleast 1 GT why the other is still a diva. People make no sense supporting Wiggo this is a guy who was thinking of going home in the TDF because he was embarrased i think we can conclude their Wiggo is very mentally weak.

 

[TANK91]

Froome is a coward. Contador handled LA in his team while everyone was against AC.

Just shows the difference in class.

I feel sorry for Wiggins, he doesn't really deserve this. He honestly didn't do anything wrong 2 years ago. If someone is to blaim it's Brailsford or Froome.

Wow man not likk you too make yourself look silly please tell me what Wiggins done right? I mean he as not even raced with Froome he as been embarrassing. Did you actually no Froome rode 2 GT's in support of Wiggins. He did not just ride for him as any normal dom would he is probably the best dom ever in a GT. Froome was so much stronger he would ride on the front and still be the strongest embarrassing how it can be Froome's fault i never knew it was the Froome who was trying to say he would lead the Giro instead of Froome. Wiggins has been pathetci last 2 years he even was giving msg's last year saying he may lead the TDF.

 

[TANK91]

If I was providing the financial backing to team Sky and was told that the Tour winner from two years ago could not make their best team of nine riders I would want answers pretty quickly. Looks like a lack of trust in Wiggins and more about personalities. He has shown pretty good form this year. Porte will be given another chance at the Giro so Wiggins is on the outer. Looks like he will be moving on after all.

I also think Wiggins would have made Porte's job easier at the Tour. Wiggins would have friends at Sky as well so I wonder if this decision instead of solidifying the team could cause some issues for other riders as well. I'm sure Froome is not universally liked. But Sutton and Yates are not around to stick up for Wiggins anymore.

Just a guess but who does Froome need to like him is best mate is Porte who is not bad eh?. Porte has more chance than Wiggins in the TDF, Porte has actually a few times been as strong as Froome uphill. AX-3 Porte was a monster. Also Ventoux and Alpe. I maybe wrong but i think G likes Froome aswell more than Wiggo.