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Wiggins Discussion thread.

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Jul 20, 2011
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gregrowlerson said:
I think that some of the Wiggins dislike comes from his apparent luck at finishing so high at a 'weak' Tour. The thing is though, is that Wiggins didn't really get his 4th place because of time trialling. Rather, he climbed very well on Verbier (which is not exactly Zoncolan, but tough enough to sort the GC out) and wasn't turn far behind on the Queen stage 17. If Bradley makes it onto the podium this Vuelta then he has proven his pedigree as a decent GT climber.

Just do not get it.

I am a Wiggins fan. yes that may blinker my view slightly but do not understand why that should upset other people. I do not feel the need to hate Nibali because he may win.

The only reason for people to post negative comments on this thread is because they either cannot stand to watch people enjoy, what I consider, a great moment by a rider I like or they post comments to wind people up. Either way a very strange outlook on life.

seems to be how this forum works though. guess I am just not compatible
 
May 23, 2011
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This forum would be so much better if people only posted positive thoughts and everyone stood around backslapping each other for the performances of their favorite riders. We could rename the forum to the Cycling News Glee Club. Periodically we could hold video conferences where we could all sing inspirational songs. That would be swell, Beav.
 
daveinzambia said:
Just do not get it.

I am a Wiggins fan. yes that may blinker my view slightly but do not understand why that should upset other people. I do not feel the need to hate Nibali because he may win.

The only reason for people to post negative comments on this thread is because they either cannot stand to watch people enjoy, what I consider, a great moment by a rider I like or they post comments to wind people up. Either way a very strange outlook on life.

seems to be how this forum works though. guess I am just not compatible

You can like Wiggins all you want. Not everyone shares your opinion.
 
Moose McKnuckles said:
I'm with Damiano on this one.

Wiggins "morphed" from a track rider to a GC contender?

Yeah. He morphed all right. The British Bottle is the best and most apt moniker I have heard for Wiggins.

there is also the one that was in my sig....

Wiggins - The shit British version of Christophe Moreau
 
Jul 20, 2011
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Damiano Machiavelli said:
This forum would be so much better if people only posted positive thoughts and everyone stood around backslapping each other for the performances of their favorite riders. We could rename the forum to the Cycling News Glee Club. Periodically we could hold video conferences where we could all sing inspirational songs. That would be swell, Beav.

very big gap between that and where this forum is at. but hey dis me as much as you like that is what this place does best.
 
Jul 20, 2011
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Moose McKnuckles said:
You can like Wiggins all you want. Not everyone shares your opinion.

not saying you have to like him just do not understand why you feel the need to come on this particular thread and slag him off
 
I was one of those downplaying Wiggins chances before this Vuelta but I'll have to eat these words now.

Respect to Wiggins. He did really well yesterday and has been looking great. I actually think he has a very good chance of winning this now.
 
Jul 8, 2009
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Let it go Dave... the haterz are gunna hate. People like the Machiavellian one and the Moose hate everyone equally!

I like Wiggins and despair that every time a rider achieves anything notable, the clinic explodes with allegations from interweb cowboys.

If you have a modicum of faith in the system, then Wiggins is someone who has harnessed their natural ability to succeed at a different discipline (track to road), until I'm convinced otherwise, I will view his results as obtained by maximising his natural abilities.
 
Wiggins rode well yesterday and is now legitimately a contender for the Vuelta.

A few of the comments here are going a little over the top though: His ride still essentially consisted of following a wheel, at a pace set specifically for his benefit, until things started to flatten out. Froome deserves at least as much of the credit. However, it is impressive to be able to follow a wheel at that pace while all around you are cracking and it is even more impressive to be able to take over at the front and keep pouring the pressure on at the end. So chapeau to Wiggins.

He's still not the favourite, but he has shown better climbing chops than anyone expected (including Wiggins himself if you read his comments about yesterday). He should get himself a bit of a cushion today, but it will be very impressive if he manages to hold on to that cushion over all the mountains to come.
 
Damiano Machiavelli said:
Nobody cares about track but a few brits and aussies. You might as well bring up his record playing croquet. As it is Wiggins has one stage race win, and that race had a crappy route.

The route must have been crappy because Wiggo won:rolleyes: Everyone was moaning about the surfeit of flat finishes.

Yes, I prefer watching Contador attacking in the mountains, but Wiggo was aggressive (in his own way) and showed that 4th in the tour was not a fluke.
 
I'm Italian, but I like Wiggins! If Nibali will lose because of him I will be happy anyway.

He's a serious guy that works a lot and doesn't speak too much!

On the climbs he's really consistent, seldom goes in the red....

on the TT he's top3 worldwide.
 
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daveinzambia said:
not saying you have to like him just do not understand why you feel the need to come on this particular thread and slag him off

I've only just started posting and I already have to ignore alot of the posters. I agree with you Dave, I can't understand how some people on here manage to watch cycling, they must be foaming at the mouth with every stage as it seems that anyone who rides reasonably well is full of dope.

The clinic is ridiculous, I came looking for intelligent discussion on a subject that I find very interesting and have a fair bit of knowledge about. Instead it's baseless accusations and random insults.

Got to say I'm a big Wiggins fan, I like riders who can get on the front and put the hurt on like that, mainly because I think that's the kind of rider I would have been if I'd ever taken up cycling.

Brad gets a lot of stick, even for things that are nothing to do with cycling on here, and I'd love to see him do well, I just hope he's measured his effort well enough to have something in the tank for the TT.

Remember people thought Evans would struggle in the TT at the Tour, I wonder if we are going to see a similar ride from Wiggins today?
 
Tank Engine said:
The route must have been crappy because Wiggo won:rolleyes:

The route wasn't crappy. The Dauphine was the biggest thing Wiggins has ever won by some distance and he deserves credit for doing so.

However, while the route wasn't crappy it also also wasn't enormously challenging to a power climbing TTer and, perhaps more importantly, an ability to win one of the Tour warm up races is a very different thing to being able to be competitive on GC at a GT. Wiggins showed more yesterday in terms of proving that his Tour 4th wasn't a fluke than he did over the whole Dauphine.

And he's right that nobody cares about track. It's a backwater of the sport, ranking somewhere below cyclocross as a regionally popular hobby.
 
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Siriuscat said:
Does anyone outside the US like Bottle or Pharmstrong???

Brad surprised the hell out of me today, I really didn't think he'd have the ability to tackle the top of Covatilla like that but all credit too him, he has established himself as a very very good stage racer over the last two years, learnt from his mistakes and gotten better. Tomorrow is key for him, if he can take sufficient time out of Nibs he becomes a strong strong contender. I think J Rod is out of it, he'll lose three minutes plus tomorrow to the good TT riders, Chapeau wiggo!!

A lot of people do.

Can't say I really like brad though he's doing well. Farrapona, Angliru and Pena Carbarga will sort him out. Wiggins will need to take some big time out of Nibali though. What is a disadvantage for Nibali is that there are no down hill finishes that e can go craz and take some big time out of his rivals in the Vuelta edition.
 
auscyclefan94 said:
What is a disadvantage for Nibali is that there are no down hill finishes that e can go craz and take some big time out of his rivals in the Vuelta edition.

If Nibali was Spanish all of those JRod finishes would have been replaced by insane descents. I'm actually sort of surprised that this year's Giro didn't finish eighteen stages with descents of the Crostis.
 
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Yes, I do like Wiggins and I'm not British or even Anglophone. He lost a lot of credit due to the transfer saga from Garmin to Sky, but besides his stupid comments here he generally comes across as a very decent guy. His 2010 was terrible, and he didn't seem motivated to do anything, but this year he works hard and I'm starting to like him again.

I also don't share the general bias towards riders that aren't explosive super-climbers. I enjoy riders who climb in a steady tempo like Basso, and don't dislike riders who hold on in the mountains and time trial to victory. In my opinion, that kind of rider makes a GT much more interesting. When they take time in the TT, the pure climbers need to attack, making the mountains more interesting (which, of course, doesn't work if Contador is there who nails it in both the TT's and mountains).

And at Dave: You're right, this is a very nasty place and it's taken me a long time to adapt to it. It just requires a change of attitude: a serious discussion is not really possible on this forum. Just join in the fights, bait the Dutch, hate every rider that does better than your favourite, and be as biased and ignorant as anyone else and you'll be fine :)

Oh, and stay out of the clinic! If you're an at least semi-intelligent person, five minutes in the Clinic is equal to a lifetime in Hell.
 
daveinzambia said:
I am outside the UK and I like him. obviously not as bitter and twisted and most on here.

frankly started coming on here to keep an eye on transfer rumours, got drawn into a few discussions and now every time i read threads get utterly depressed by this place

over the continual bashing of riders, of anyone who does anything. honestly i wonder why some people in this forum even bother with the sport given the fact that apparently everyone dopes and they hate dopers.

will stick to reading the web site and wait a little longer to get transfer rumours confirmed and keep myself out of this sad depressing place.

Well you could stay out of the clinic, and report any posts outside there which identify riders as being dopers/clean.

patterson_hood said:
I've only just started posting and I already have to ignore alot of the posters. I agree with you Dave, I can't understand how some people on here manage to watch cycling, they must be foaming at the mouth with every stage as it seems that anyone who rides reasonably well is full of dope.

The clinic is ridiculous, I came looking for intelligent discussion on a subject that I find very interesting and have a fair bit of knowledge about. Instead it's baseless accusations and random insults.

Got to say I'm a big Wiggins fan, I like riders who can get on the front and put the hurt on like that, mainly because I think that's the kind of rider I would have been if I'd ever taken up cycling.

Brad gets a lot of stick, even for things that are nothing to do with cycling on here, and I'd love to see him do well, I just hope he's measured his effort well enough to have something in the tank for the TT.

Remember people thought Evans would struggle in the TT at the Tour, I wonder if we are going to see a similar ride from Wiggins today?

Same advice, dont come on the prr section to complain about how posters in the clinic behave. With some overlap, its different posters here and there.
 
daveinzambia said:
I am outside the UK and I like him. obviously not as bitter and twisted and most on here.

frankly started coming on here to keep an eye on transfer rumours, got drawn into a few discussions and now every time i read threads get utterly depressed by this place

over the continual bashing of riders, of anyone who does anything. honestly i wonder why some people in this forum even bother with the sport given the fact that apparently everyone dopes and they hate dopers.

will stick to reading the web site and wait a little longer to get transfer rumours confirmed and keep myself out of this sad depressing place.

Well you could stay out of the clinic, and report any posts outside there which identify riders as being dopers/clean.

patterson_hood said:
I've only just started posting and I already have to ignore alot of the posters. I agree with you Dave, I can't understand how some people on here manage to watch cycling, they must be foaming at the mouth with every stage as it seems that anyone who rides reasonably well is full of dope.

The clinic is ridiculous, I came looking for intelligent discussion on a subject that I find very interesting and have a fair bit of knowledge about. Instead it's baseless accusations and random insults.

Got to say I'm a big Wiggins fan, I like riders who can get on the front and put the hurt on like that, mainly because I think that's the kind of rider I would have been if I'd ever taken up cycling.

Brad gets a lot of stick, even for things that are nothing to do with cycling on here, and I'd love to see him do well, I just hope he's measured his effort well enough to have something in the tank for the TT.

Remember people thought Evans would struggle in the TT at the Tour, I wonder if we are going to see a similar ride from Wiggins today?

Same advice, dont come on the prr section to complain about how posters in the clinic behave. With some overlap, its different posters here and there.

auscyclefan94 said:
A lot of people do.

Can't say I really like brad though he's doing well. Farrapona, Angliru and Pena Carbarga will sort him out. Wiggins will need to take some big time out of Nibali though. What is a disadvantage for Nibali is that there are no down hill finishes that e can go craz and take some big time out of his rivals in the Vuelta edition.

stage 19 i think has a descent finishes.

Zinoviev Letter said:
If Nibali was Spanish all of those JRod finishes would have been replaced by insane descents.

What like all those descent finishes at the Giro?

The Giro suited Purito much more than the Vuelta.

the Vuelta has a long flat itt, 2 long not so steep mtfs, the type on which Purito usually cracks on, and yet it was created for J Rod?

Moreover why J Rod. There was Anton, possibly Samu and Contador as well. When they created the route they had no idea who was coming.

They have some nice steep finishes, but that cant be because those proved succesful last year, can it?
 
Not really a Wiggins fan mainly because I have always found him a bit opaque. I recognise this as an unfair prejudice of mine because it has almost nothing to do with his bike riding.

I was a contemporary of his when he was a very good junior on the road, even before all the track stuff. He was very quick then, a lot heavier of course, and it still amazes how he went from that to this.

I was very impressed by him yesterday. How he finishes this Vuelta will probably decide me on him long term.
 
I like Wiggins as a person, he seems to be an intelligent bloke with a good sense of humour. The type of rider he is doesn't really appeal to me, but the way he's currently riding is just incredibly strong, riding everyone bar 3 or 4 guys off his wheel on a crosswind section... what a great show of strength. Props to him.
 
spanky wanderlust said:
everyone who voted for wiggins in the pre vuelta poll was practically laughed out of town. and now this?

:rolleyes:

would love to see brad get one.

I was one of the people who was quite vocal about him having no chance. Im happy to say that I jumped the gun plenty on that one. I like Brad and am pleased that he's proven me an idiot for saying he had absolutely no chance I still think he needs a huge ride today to win the vuelta but he's capable of it.
 
The Dauphiné route wasn't rubbish. It was actually pretty decent.

The Paris-Nice route - THAT was rubbish.

Wiggins yesterday impressed me. I didn't think he had that in him. He just ground people down like he was Ivan Basso or something. No need to attack, just ride them off your wheel. Very good showing.

But to say that he is now the absolute favourite for the Vuelta may be a misnomer - remember that Nibali had spent energy in an attack earlier on, and despite the brilliant performance Wiggins still put:
7" into Nibali
8" into Menchov
15" into van den Broeck
37" into Nieve
37" into Monfort
46" into Bruseghin
46" into Rodríguez
1'23" into Brajkovic
1'46" into Antón
1'46" into Scarponi

With the possible exceptions of the last 3, that really isn't all that much, when you consider what is to come, and that he is still nearly a minute behind Nibali on the GC.

I remember saying about Wiggins' chances that I thought he could do well, if he limited his losses in the uphill finishes in the first week, because I felt that La Covatilla and La Manzaneda suited him. I didn't expect him to be putting time into people, but ultimately this was a one-climb stage and as a result the gaps aren't so great. What could or would have happened if it was a multi-climb stage is up for debate; given the form people were in yesterday it seems Wiggins may have been able to take more time. But some riders like Bruseghin need a bit more climbing to get their diesels warmed up; the 2009 Tour route had a few one-climb-stages where Wiggins was very impressive but the only real multi-climb stage saw him lose 3 minutes. It's hard to say because the camera didn't show much of what was going on behind in the latter stages, but clearly the Taaramäe/Menchov/Zubeldia/Kessiakoff/Poels group caught some of the time back in the last kilometre as Wiggins continued to pull.

The ITT today represents Wiggins' best chance at building up a lead. La Manzaneda suits him pretty well as well, but it falls after the rest day so I would expect the other riders to be relatively fresh and harder to drop in that style. However Wiggins did not waste energy chasing down needless attacks like Scarponi did, and rode a very sensible climb. If his tactic is going to be to simply pretend nobody else is there and grind his way up the climb, he's probably got a good chance of limiting his losses fairly competently on Farrapona and Anglirú - the question then will be, who's the one that takes the bull by the horns? Nibali was 3rd to Monte Zoncolán, and J-Rod was 3rd to Anglirú in service of Valverde in 2008. We've never really seen Wiggins in form on a climb of this calibre (it would be unfair to judge him on the 2010 Giro Zoncolán stage).