Wiggins Discussion thread.

[jens_attacks]

please move the discussion to the clinic.wiggins is a world-class athlete and froome is mentally very strong having such a team leader.


i understand very well team sky's tactics but still it was kind of disappointing for me to see froome in red jersey doing the work,if at least wiggins would have put a devastating acceleration...

 

[Catwhoorg]

A devastating acceleration isn't his strength though

Constant power, the whole way up.
Want to get ahead, feel free, but you have to do accelerate from HIS pace, and then not slow down again.

He will be chugging his engine and catch you if you do.

Its not a traditional climbers way, but its the way they will get the best result overall they can from this race. (and presumably the 2012 TdF)

 

[Winterfold]

Wiggos power outputs are towards the top end of completely believable - everyone has dropped down and he is racing cannier.

But if you want to sling mud do it in the Clinic.

(And he caned Spartacus in TT in Bayern)

 

[Winterfold]

It's a great tactic - accelerating from 18 kmh on 7% is bloody hard

Try doing it from 23-25 kmh - only Contador A Schleck and Purito can do it - and Purito only for 1-2 KM

Wiggins, Nibali and Evans are going to be very hard to beat over the next couple years...

I can see why some find it hard to like - it is riding with science and data and to the law of averages vs panache - but as a Brit I will accept what is necessary to get a Brit on a GT podium...

And Wiggo will always be a stylish pedaller and Cuddles won't

 

[ritchieuk]

It just reminds me of the way Indurain used to climb, but he was a genetic "freak" (in the nicest possible sense) and i just don't believe that Wiggins is the same way. Even given the advances in sport science in the last 15 years, if there was a way to win Olympic gold in the pursuit and then climb HC mountains in a GT then why isn't everyone doing it?

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

It just reminds me of the way Indurain used to climb, but he was a genetic "freak" (in the nicest possible sense) and i just don't believe that Wiggins is the same way. Even given the advances in sport science in the last 15 years, if there was a way to win Olympic gold in the pursuit and then climb HC mountains in a GT then why isn't everyone doing it?

Wiggins climbing style reminds me of Indurain as well. Just put yourself at the head of the group and keep grinding away. And that combined with Wiggins white Pinarello bike.

 

[ParfaitAmour]

It just reminds me of the way Indurain used to climb, but he was a genetic "freak" (in the nicest possible sense) and i just don't believe that Wiggins is the same way. Even given the advances in sport science in the last 15 years, if there was a way to win Olympic gold in the pursuit and then climb HC mountains in a GT then why isn't everyone doing it?

This argument reminds of the bitterness I feel when I come across beautiful people with great voices & the ability to play lots of instruments with ease.
Life just isn't fair in it's distribution of talent I guess

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

It just reminds me of the way Indurain used to climb, but he was a genetic "freak" (in the nicest possible sense) and i just don't believe that Wiggins is the same way.

It's a similar style, but Wiggins is putting out markedly less power than Indurain was.

 

[hrotha]

It's a similar style, but Wiggins is putting out markedly less power than Indurain was.

As Perdiguero said, I guess they don't train as hard anymore.

 

[sublimit]

i understand very well team sky's tactics but still it was kind of disappointing for me to see froome in red jersey doing the work,if at least wiggins would have put a devastating acceleration...

Its a shame Lovquist and to a lesser extent Possoni were struggling to be fair. Yes kind of frustrating but at least he held onto second.
Its working out well for Sky so far so though so they should stick with the tactics of protecting Wiggins with the added bonus of Froome right up there on GC also.

 

[Midnightfright]

please move the discussion to the clinic.wiggins is a world-class athlete and froome is mentally very strong having such a team leader.


i understand very well team sky's tactics but still it was kind of disappointing for me to see froome in red jersey doing the work,if at least wiggins would have put a devastating acceleration...

Yeah its never nice to see the leaders jersey having to work for a teamate but he bit the bullet and done.his job. Big respect for Froome.

 

[ritchieuk]

If Wiggins and Froome are still doing the same thing on the Angliru then I'm sorry, I will never believe what I am seeing anymore.

 

[Midnightfright]

If Wiggins and Froome are still doing the same thing on the Angliru then I'm sorry, I will never believe what I am seeing anymore.

Sounds like you want to go to the clinic there will already be a thread discussing this .

 

[goggalor]

Apparently DT isn't the only one who thinks Wiggins is climbing like Indurain:

“When I took the lead of the front group three kilometres away from the top, I rode fast despite the head wind. I’m pretty good at guessing when my adversaries aren’t well. For three kilometres, I’ve ridden like Miguel Indurain! I had never done that before. I’ve done it after the great work done by Chris [Froome]. It’s fantastic for him to be in the lead. He deserves it and it takes some pressure from me.”

“When I push 450 watts like I did on Sunday in such a difficult climb, who in the world can do more? Only Alberto Contador and Andy Schleck but they aren’t here."

Is he forgetting about Chris Horner?

http://road.cc/content/news/41613-b...e-gc-rider-will-target-2012-tdf-over-olympics

 

[Zoncolan]

450 W?
He's 69 kg.
That's 6.5 W/kg.
How long was he in the front for?

 

[sublimit]

Apparently DT isn't the only one who thinks Wiggins is climbing like Indurain:


Is he forgetting about Chris Horner?

http://road.cc/content/news/41613-b...e-gc-rider-will-target-2012-tdf-over-olympics

Ok Wiggins is British so I expect a certain amount of ridicule.. Kind of sad really.


Why dont you say he's a cheat? Put up or shut up.

 

[goggalor]

Ok Wiggins is British so I expect a certain amount of ridicule.. Kind of sad really.


Why dont you say he's a cheat? Put up or shut up.

Who said anything about cheating?

 

[Ragerod]

450 W?
He's 69 kg.
That's 6.5 W/kg.
How long was he in the front for?

Calculations have already been done and it's not nearly as impressive.
http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=663564&postcount=491

Besides I wouldn't take his comments as fact. Cyclists have a tendency to talk themselves up.

 

[Zoncolan]

Calculations have already been done and it's not nearly as impressive.
http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=663564&postcount=491

Besides I wouldn't take his comments as fact. Cyclists have a tendency to talk themselves up.

Yes, it did seem a bit much.

 

[Winterfold]

It just reminds me of the way Indurain used to climb, but he was a genetic "freak" (in the nicest possible sense) and i just don't believe that Wiggins is the same way. Even given the advances in sport science in the last 15 years, if there was a way to win Olympic gold in the pursuit and then climb HC mountains in a GT then why isn't everyone doing it?

What about Contador?

Would Brad win Olympic pursuit at 72kg? Or would he have to get some upper body strength back?

IMO he's been there done that and should focus on getting GB a first ever GT podium - so hopefully well never know

The power outputs seem pretty believable to me

 

[Winterfold]

I am talking about the power outputs of 5.6 - 6.0kg not the miscalculations.

False data to support an argument has it's place - and it's the Clinic.

This is a place for accuracy and optimism...

 

[Califer Hill]

What about Contador?

Would Brad win Olympic pursuit at 72kg? Or would he have to get some upper body strength back?

IMO he's been there done that and should focus on getting GB a first ever GT podium - so hopefully well never know

The power outputs seem pretty believable to me

He wouldn't be first GB to podium in the Grand Tours, Robert Millar did that in the 80's.

 

[Mambo95]

He wouldn't be first GB to podium in the Grand Tours, Robert Millar did that in the 80's.

Indeed. Three times.

 

[MartinGT]

Indeed. Three times.

Fantastic climber.

 

[jens_attacks]

Calculations have already been done and it's not nearly as impressive.
http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=663564&postcount=491

Besides I wouldn't take his comments as fact. Cyclists have a tendency to talk themselves up.

i doubt that wiggins is lying.he was riding in an incredible strong headwind like a man on a mission.i think he's very close of his best performance in the mountains,6,6 w/kg verbier.