Wiggins Discussion thread.

[spalco]

Not deserved imo but that might be because I want excitement.

And what bothers me most is that if we have to believe Wiggo, we'll have to see this for the next few years. I will give up on cycling if that happens. If even the mountain stages are boring, well what is left of the sport then.

Cycling is not a ****ing beauty pageant, you don't get bonus seconds for having a pretty smile. And I wouldn't have it any other way.

Spain was dead boring throughout most of the Euro 2012, but that doesn't mean they weren't the best team.

 

[LaFlorecita]

You probably shouldn't sail so close to the wind yourself and then go running to teacher when someone follows you.

Some would say it looks childish.

Some would say that Ferminal asked me to report Clinic posts.

Besides I said nothing about doping, I didn't even imply it. It must have been your imagination.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Cycling is not a ****ing beauty pageant, you don't get bonus seconds for having a pretty smile. And I wouldn't have it any other way.

Spain was dead boring throughout most of the Euro 2012, but that doesn't mean they weren't the best team.

Of course, this isn't wrestling, so winning is the target, not being entertaining.

However, most of us fans watch to be entertained, so it stands to reason that if we aren't being entertained, we won't watch.

 

[spalco]

Of course, this isn't wrestling, so winning is the target, not being entertaining.

However, most of us fans watch to be entertained, so it stands to reason that if we aren't being entertained, we won't watch.

Yeah, but Florecita explicitely talked about deserving it.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Yeah, but Florecita explicitely talked about deserving it.

Yes because I believe riders have to ride on the front to deserve the win. Not hide behind teammates.

 

[The Hitch]

It certainly wasn't as spectacular as Contador's "victory" in the Giro last year, but I disagree that the field was weaker in this Tour.

Scarponi (was there, somewhere) - Nibali (best of the rest, like in the Giro) - Gadret (lol?) - Joaquim Rodríguez (with 100K TT really?) - Kreuziger (meh) - Rujano (another one who was really missed with all the TT)- Menchov (also hiding somewhere in the peloton) - Kruijswijk - Sivtsov - Nieve.

Contador really didn't have the strongest opposition in that race either in hindsight.

Nibali is, it is now very evident ( despite the protestations of so.called.experts who kept calling him 1 of the top.gt ttrs) a.far worse tter than climber, so putting that time into him by dropping him on 6 or 7 different mountain stages is more.impressive than getting 5 mins + on him.in 2 tts, 1 of which he doesn't seem.to have bothered too much with

 

[The Hitch]

I think you will find that in terms of current and future GT racing this will be one of the strongest Tour lineups (and finish lists) for quite some time.
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Huh what?

What?.

Seriously i want to write this post without coming of a bit.mean but that is the the single.dumbest comment in the history of this.forum

 

[armchairclimber]

Wiggins' victory...one that is shared by his superbly prepared and drilled team...is a victory for true cycling fans everywhere. I think is will have positive benefits for cycling in the wider sporting world.

Sure, as a Brit, I'm delighted to have seen something that I scarcely thought possible 5 years ago but I'm just as delighted to see Tommy V in the polkadot jersey...another rider who embodies the true spirit of sporting endeavour.

There's a lesson to be learned for all sporting nations too. When Project British Cycling was embarked upon and the Manchester velodrome was built, there were plenty who thought public money could be better spent elsewhere. Over the years we have seen the result...give athletes the facilities they need and you have a much better chance of finding/producing champions. Now even non-cycling fans are sharing in the feel-good thing.

A clean rider and a clean team doing it the hard way. Hallelujah.

 

[The Hitch]

Wiggins' victory...one that is shared by his superbly prepared and drilled team...is a victory for true cycling fans everywhere. I think is will have positive benefits for cycling in the wider sporting world.

In what way does a Wiggins victory bring all these fantastic results with it that a different rider winning would not?

 

[armchairclimber]

In what way does a Wiggins victory bring all these fantastic results with it that a different rider winning would not?

I believe this will be because, outside of certain corners of the Cycling News forum, he is not thought to be cheating.

 

[SafeBet]

Wiggins' victory...one that is shared by his superbly prepared and drilled team...is a victory for true cycling fans everywhere. I think is will have positive benefits for cycling in the wider sporting world.

Sure, as a Brit, I'm delighted to have seen something that I scarcely thought possible 5 years ago but I'm just as delighted to see Tommy V in the polkadot jersey...another rider who embodies the true spirit of sporting endeavour.

Just out of curioisity: which rider doesn't embody the true spirit of sporting endeavour? Cause you know, I consider myself a true cycling fan and I'd like to know which riders I shouldn't support in the future.


I'm sure Wiggo deserved it.
But really, all you people coming here to preach moral lessons, come back to earth.

 

[mscaviy2601]

Huh what?

What?.

Seriously i want to write this post without coming of a bit.mean but that is the the single.dumbest comment in the history of this.forum

Boy you tried really hard there.

2011

T Voeckler came 4th, Ivan Basso 7th, Peraud 9th

2010

Half of the top 10 were also rans in this tour. Luis Leon Sanchez came 10th and most of the rest of the top 10 finished in roughly the same positi9on as this tour (VDB, Kreuziger). Dennis Menchov came second in that tour btw.

2009

A pretty strong top 10. This of course was a top 10 that had BW in 4th place.

2008

Kim Kirchen in 8th. Consistent TDF rider but hardly a GT beast. And Tadej Valjevec finished 10th. Serious GT contender?


And this tour:

Nibali - A 1st, 2nd and two thirds in GT's

Cadel Evans - Former winner

JVDB - Not the best GT palmares but a previous 4th place

Zubeldia - Fairly consistent top 10 GT record

Three of the best future GT riders in TJVG, Pinot and Rolland

Yes the absence of ContaShleck makes a differance but this was not the weak tour you seem to be suggesting, this top 10 is as strong as the last few years certainly.

 

[armchairclimber]

Just out of curioisity: which rider doesn't embody the true spirit of sporting endeavour? Cause you know, I consider myself a true cycling fan and I'd like to know which riders I shouldn't support in the future.


I'm sure Wiggo deserved it.
But really, all you people coming here to preach moral lessons, come back to earth.

I'm not preaching anything. I know that in my industry, the media, road cycling has been sneered at for a very long time. In the UK. for instance, mainstream channels wouldn't touch the Tour .... despite its obvious appeal as a spectacle, because it is a sport which has repeatedly been associated with cheating.

 

[The Hitch]

I believe this will be because, outside of certain corners of the Cycling News forum, he is not thought to be cheating.

Doping talk is not allowed on here btw. Its written in the rules all around the forum if you would care to check.

I will however suggest that you check out who won the Tdf last year and look up whether or not the same people were not saying the same things there, which would of course by your logic make the australian and not wiggins have the "victory for cycling fans everywhere".

But aside from that, 1 cant help but be amused by the "general opinion" argument.

The general opinion used to be, that rains are best brought about by offering a sacrifice to the gods. And i would suggest that a lot of those people knew more about meteology than those who you look to as the holders of the truths of the universe, do about the d word.

 

[King Of The Wolds]

Yes because I believe riders have to ride on the front to deserve the win. Not hide behind teammates.

Do you believe Sky deserved the win? Who do you believe most deserves to have their name against the TdF winners list - Brad in 2012 or Bertie in 2010?

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

No more doping references at all, or suspensions will be handed out.

Susan

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

No more doping references at all, or suspensions will be handed out.

Susan

What about Dopey references?

 

[Arnout]

Boy you tried really hard there.

2011

T Voeckler came 4th, Ivan Basso 7th, Peraud 9th

2010

Half of the top 10 were also rans in this tour. Luis Leon Sanchez came 10th and most of the rest of the top 10 finished in roughly the same positi9on as this tour (VDB, Kreuziger). Dennis Menchov came second in that tour btw.

2009

A pretty strong top 10. This of course was a top 10 that had BW in 4th place.

2008

Kim Kirchen in 8th. Consistent TDF rider but hardly a GT beast. And Tadej Valjevec finished 10th. Serious GT contender?


And this tour:

Nibali - A 1st, 2nd and two thirds in GT's

Cadel Evans - Former winner

JVDB - Not the best GT palmares but a previous 4th place

Zubeldia - Fairly consistent top 10 GT record

Three of the best future GT riders in TJVG, Pinot and Rolland

Yes the absence of ContaShleck makes a differance but this was not the weak tour you seem to be suggesting, this top 10 is as strong as the last few years certainly.

On two of the three MTFs, the second and third best rider was Thibaut Pinot. Brilliant talent no doubt, but the youngest rider in the race. Tells you something about the general level.

Remember this Tour missed not one, not two, but the three best climbers of last years Tour: Schleck, Sanchez and Contador.

 

[armchairclimber]

No more doping references at all, or suspensions will be handed out.

Susan

Ok, I'll put it another way. The best man won with the help of a disciplined and talented team. The KOTM winner was the best man in that competition...and he pretty much did it on his own.

The world loves Bradley Wiggins right now. That's good for the sport.

Furthermore, this year has provided some of the most exciting mountain racing I can remember (and I have a long memory). There have been some great breakaways, some new stars (Pinot, Teejay, Sagan)some wars of attrition, some insanely good sprinting performances (Cavendish/Sagan/Greipel). Some unforgettable sights: Tommy's tongue, Wiggins leading Cavendish out, some awful accidents and some great sportsmanship.

For me, one of the best in 30 years.

 

[The Hitch]

Boy you tried really hard there.

2011

T Voeckler came 4th, Ivan Basso 7th, Peraud 9th

2010

Half of the top 10 were also rans in this tour. Luis Leon Sanchez came 10th and most of the rest of the top 10 finished in roughly the same positi9on as this tour (VDB, Kreuziger). Dennis Menchov came second in that tour btw.

2009

A pretty strong top 10. This of course was a top 10 that had BW in 4th place.

2008

Kim Kirchen in 8th. Consistent TDF rider but hardly a GT beast. And Tadej Valjevec finished 10th. Serious GT contender?


And this tour:

Nibali - A 1st, 2nd and two thirds in GT's

Cadel Evans - Former winner

JVDB - Not the best GT palmares but a previous 4th place

Zubeldia - Fairly consistent top 10 GT record

Three of the best future GT riders in TJVG, Pinot and Rolland

Yes the absence of ContaShleck makes a differance but this was not the weak tour you seem to be suggesting, this top 10 is as strong as the last few years certainly.

You lost me when you put Ivan Basso down as a unworthy top 10er.

For a start dismissing Rolland TJVG and Pinot as the future without looking into them, is a nice try, but wont fly.

Rolland did 2 places better on a gt that could not be less suited to him, than the 1 which was actually perfect for him last year.

TJVG, whose only previous gt results were way out of the running at the Tour and Vuelta has just obliterated the competition for a top 5 place.

Thibault Pinot meanwhile is 22 in his first gt and was expected to do the Vuelta.

Zubeldia is reliving past glory days at 35 and Janez Brajkovic at 28 never even had a gt top 10 before.

If we are counting Basso as a nobody, the only somebody in that list is Cadel Evans.

 

[The Hitch]

Ok, I'll put it another way. The best man won with the help of a disciplined and talented team. The KOTM winner was the best man in that competition...and he pretty much did it on his own.

The world loves Bradley Wiggins right now. That's good for the sport.

Furthermore, this year has provided some of the most exciting mountain racing I can remember (and I have a long memory). There have been some great breakaways, some new stars (Pinot, Teejay, Sagan)some wars of attrition, some insanely good sprinting performances (Cavendish/Sagan/Greipel). Some unforgettable sights: Tommy's tongue, Wiggins leading Cavendish out, some awful accidents and some great sportsmanship.

For me, one of the best in 30 years.

7 obvious "bait" points thrown into the post. Even by cn troll standards this is some record for a post so short.

And this after trolling the mods by bringing doping into the discussion in repeated posts and getting away with it.

 

[armchairclimber]

7 obvious "bait" points thrown into the post. Even by cn troll standards this is some record for a post so short.

And this after trolling the mods by bringing doping into the discussion in repeated posts and getting away with it.

Cheers. I make straight forward positive posts and you, Hitch, call me for trolling. That's just offensive.

 

[mscaviy2601]

On two of the three MTFs, the second and third best rider was Thibaut Pinot. Brilliant talent no doubt, but the youngest rider in the race. Tells you something about the general level.

Remember this Tour missed not one, not two, but the three best climbers of last years Tour: Schleck, Sanchez and Contador.

On one of those he was only beaten by Pierre Rolland who beat Contador and Samuel sanchez to the top of d'Huez. But we're not talking about individual stages but the overall and with the Contador/Schleck obvious exemption, the overall this year was not noticeably weaker than the previous few years. Certainly making that point hardly qualifies as the dumbest thing ever written which was what was asserted.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Cheers. I make straight forward positive posts and you, Hitch, call me for trolling. That's just offensive.

Hitch is not usually someone who makes such accusations and you said some pretty unbelievable and clearly false comments therefore you receive such a response. It may come across as a bit harsh, but it is true.

 

[auscyclefan94]

The sooner this Tour finishes, the sooner we get rid of the loonies on the forum.