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Wil Lance start the 2010 Tour de France?

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OF Course he will start - come on everyone, the ASO need him there.
:D:eek::mad:

As to the FLandis allegations, only time will tell. whether it is naive of me or not to state, I believe that everyone is innocent until proven otherwise. You have to, to believe that cycling, as a sport will grow, and that the cheaters are caught and dealt with promptly to provide the honest contest that all fans of cycling want.:eek:
 
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Thoughtforfood said:
The problem is that many of them are cheaper aluminum models painted like USPS bikes. But you will see some carbon with 105 or Ultegra too. Those usually were taken on some MS ride once...once. Nothing wrong with MS rides, and I know some people who ride a lot and ride them, but a lot of those people on those rides do them once...once.

Wrong thread, I know, but I don't get the ones who come out in the spring, train every week, do all the fund raising, do the ms ride, and the week after it's over, they are gone until next spring. I appreciate their enthusiasm for the cause, but that's just hard for me to compute. To each his own, I guess. I go on the training rides, donate a few bucks, but I am not going on some ride with 20000 people. I generally am not going anywhere with that many people bikes or no bikes.
 
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Thoughtforfood said:
Damn, why you want to make me go back and visit that fight? I always thought Marvin took it, but hey, history cannot be changed post fight.

Marvin won. Sugar ray landed a lot of punches, but they are like feathers. Agreed, don't get me started.

I will derail this thread if it's the last thing I do.
 
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I hear the associated interviews are good as well. Some salacious quotes involved from those around at the time.

20 years+ ago, I used to subscribe to the wsj, at that time, they just published 5 days a week. (Either that or I was getting ripped off.) I don't think there is a paper edition on Sat.

wouldn't the euro papers be more on top of that, except for the nyt? Not that there hasn't been coverage originated from other US outlets....jus sayin
 
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The print version of the Journal is published 6 days a week.

One story which will be detailed is the “Black socks theorem”; Story has it that the USPS boys had to change the transfusion points to the vein above the lower ankle. There arms were looking a little scary with the injection points from a 9 month long season of usage. The skin on the arm is also a little too tender for prolonged transfusing.

None the less when you inject into the lower leg you often get blood spots from the injection point and these pierce through white socks. So on the day before key mountain stages the guys would have to change to black socks to avoid the spots. You’ll also note the adoption of the longer ankle sock to cover the tracks. Reference point Hincapie’s veins on his left leg are indicative of continued injections (See photos).
 
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one story which will be detailed is the “black socks theorem”; story has it that the usps boys had to change the transfusion points to the vein above the lower ankle. There arms were looking a little scary with the injection points from a 9 month long season of usage. The skin on the arm is also a little too tender for prolonged transfusing.

None the less when you inject into the lower leg you often get blood spots from the injection point and these pierce through white socks. So on the day before key mountain stages the guys would have to change to black socks to avoid the spots. You’ll also note the adoption of the longer ankle sock to cover the tracks. Reference point hincapie’s veins on his left leg are indicative of continued injections (see photos).

gross !!
 
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thehog said:
One story which will be detailed is the “Black socks theorem”; Story has it that the USPS boys had to change the transfusion points to the vein above the lower ankle. There arms were looking a little scary with the injection points from a 9 month long season of usage. The skin on the arm is also a little too tender for prolonged transfusing.

None the less when you inject into the lower leg you often get blood spots from the injection point and these pierce through white socks. So on the day before key mountain stages the guys would have to change to black socks to avoid the spots. You’ll also note the adoption of the longer ankle sock to cover the tracks. Reference point Hincapie’s veins on his left leg are indicative of continued injections (See photos).

http://postaluniformsdirect.com/socks.htm
I googled "US Postal black socks".
The men's hose reduces fatigue

See - they were just doing R&D for the sponsors' hardworking employees!
 

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Good idea....might want to buy the WSJ this Saturday

Wall Street Journal Weekend Edition?
Heavy Duty!

The MeiVici riding Investment Banker set will be APPALLED at the steps that were taken to get and stay at the top of the heap.

Well, maybe "appalled" is too strong a word.
How about "immensely immpressed":)
 
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I say it every year, I SWEAR that there is a Uniballer Fanboy Handbook for Posting on Cycling Forums or UFHPCF for short. Seen this post in one form or another about 1000 times...

...yea, we are all fat slobs who don't ride.:rolleyes: Of course, on the other side, I understand that on Craigslist in any given city, there are a plethora of Trek's available with minimal miles...

After quick Craigslist check today, the only bike brand that seemed to overwhelm the others was Schwinn. Not very many decent road bikes out there other than the occasional Cervelo, Felt, Cannondale, and Trek in my area. Of course this might change in the late fall.

However, some of us that ride Treks actually have a few miles on our bikes (of course I am sure you were not suggesting that Trek riders or Armstrong fans are only interested in cycling because of Armstrong).
 
I just want to revise my opinion that Lance won't start the Tour. I think that if the Federal investigation was moving more quickly and an indictment of L.A. was imminent, he would scratch for the Tour. But given the broad sweep of the criminal inquiry, and how far-reaching it is, the time line has so extended that I can't see Lance having to duck out of this year's race and he will realistically be able to finish-out the season.

I do, however, express the caveat that if the federal investigation picks up steam and the time-to-indictment is shortened, Lance won't attempt to continue competing beyond the moment when he's charged with a crime. (that sounds rather obvious, doesn't it?)

And while USADA is investigating Lance, he technically hasn't been accused of a doping violation yet, so he doesn't even have the option of voluntarily suspending himself from competition to earn credit against any future ban. For those of you not familiar with the process, in the USA once you've been notified of a doping violation (typically when your A-sample is declared positive), at any point thereafter while the case is being adjudicated, and before a final verdict is delivered, you can voluntarily remove yourself from competition and self-suspend yourself.

So in my case, I tested positive on May 7, 2006. I was notified of the positive A-sample in late-June 2006. I requested the B-sample be analyzed, a process that would eventually take months and months, but in late-July 2006 I voluntarily removed myself from competition after my last race in Italy. Thus, when my two-year sanction was announced in May 2007, its start-date was July 31, 2006 (IIRC)! I thought this was fair, since at that point during the Landis Affair, I functionally only had to publicly hang my head in shame (relating solely to my positive-test) for a year, until my sanction expired on 31 July 2008.

So I've been eligible to compete for nearly two years, but I've voluntarily continued to hold myself out of competition - while participating in both the USADA out-of-competition testing pool and the UCI's whereabouts program - to bank time that could be applied to a retroactive extension of my original sanction to reflect the additional malfeasance I acknowledged.

In all honesty, USADA was very fair to me and tries very hard to respect the rights of athletes accused of a doping violation. It's a shame that in the case of Landis, all of the protections that were supposed to apply to him were completely disregarded. I know that people have been giving the BCF a hard time for not acknowledging the suspected positive(s) that are attributed to [a] British cyclist(s) - but the good thing is that they're protecting the rights of the accused.
 
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I thought lance would start. After todays wada announcement I am no longer so sure. And i dont think he will be the only one not starting.
 
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I thought lance would start. After todays wada announcement I am no longer so sure. And i dont think he will be the only one not starting.

Kinda depends on what needs to clear the system at this point. If he can start without getting busted my money is on the LA drama show: again, the heroic exploit and the moving moment of retirement. His Lifetime Network biopic needs an ending that doesn't involve wrists being zip-tied.
 
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i'm no lance apologist, but i'm pretty sure this is a case of the clinic psyching itself up echo-chamber style. they likely knew about (or at least heard rumblings of) the UCI/WADA arrangement before we did, and before they announced the tour roster when they had more time to make a plausible excuse as to why lance wouldn't be there. they knew about this and the decided to attend anyway. that ain't changing now. they're not going to pull out. barring an arrest that i really don't see happening, i really can't imagine a scenario that doesn't have lance on the ramp july 3.

take a step back, everybody. i don't think things are nearly as intense as we're making each other believe they are.

i'm ready to eat my words when and if necessary.
 
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So what's the scoop on the WSJ story supposedly coming out this weekend? Some people seem to have an inside line. And will sale of black cycling socks immediately plummet? (I hope)
 
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Federal Indictment of Armstrong - yeah right. Federal prosecuter would probably be interested in finding a credible witness first. Marian Jones failed a test. Armstrong hasn't yet. A few 'independent observers' won't change that.
 
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lafleche said:
Federal Indictment of Armstrong - yeah right. Federal prosecuter would probably be interested in finding a credible witness first. Marian Jones failed a test. Armstrong hasn't yet. A few 'independent observers' won't change that.

iirc marion jones got the time for perjury not the test. and lance will get the time for fraud or even RICO, not a positive test
 
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That is quite a bike. Are those dual rear views? The rack is a nice touch (did the frame have eyelets?), as well the uprights. Quite the machine to personify support for your hero. Bravo.

Yes there are two. I need them for watching the haters suffer as I burn them off my wheel in cat 3 (equivalent) non competitive charity races.

The rack is necessary cos I, like lance, carry the expectations of many as I battle to raise money for LIVESTRONG in those same at 3 (equivalent) non competitive charity races. Eyelets are not required, the rack is held in place with hopes and dreams.....and glue.
 
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lafleche said:
Federal Indictment of Armstrong - yeah right. Federal prosecuter would probably be interested in finding a credible witness first. Marian Jones failed a test. Armstrong hasn't yet.

Her B sample was negative. Armstrong needed a MUE to get off his negative.
 
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lafleche said:
Federal Indictment of Armstrong - yeah right. Federal prosecuter would probably be interested in finding a credible witness first. Marian Jones failed a test. Armstrong hasn't yet. A few 'independent observers' won't change that.

Marion, unlike Lance, never tested positive.
 
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Yes there are two. I need them for watching the haters suffer as I burn them off my wheel in cat 3 (equivalent) non competitive charity races.

The rack is necessary cos I, like lance, carry the expectations of many as I battle to raise money for LIVESTRONG in those same at 3 (equivalent) non competitive charity races. Eyelets are not required, the rack is held in place with hopes and dreams.....and glue.

Dude, you are awesome with a capital COOL.
 
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WonderLance said:
I dont care about your little obsession, fanboy.

Is that any way to treat your biggest fan? Hey, I was wondering if you would do me a "solid" and use some chamois cream tomorrow, scrape it off after the ride, and send it to me FedEx? Is that too much to ask?