Will Contador Be Juiced Up Again Upon His Return

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Direct financial gain? Surely it's just the riders percentage of the stage win money depending how their team divides it up?

Longer term, he's a proven winner on one of the biggest stages in world cycling. It's going to depend on nationality but I'd think a 5-10% jump in salary, but only if contract negotiations are coming up.
 
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Ryder is more naturally talented than Cledadopucasdnajusdfciccccsiudhfsdjfscicii thus he was doped to the gills today to be able to keep up with clean Ryder.
 
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SeriousSam said:
Ryder is more naturally talented than Cledadopucasdnajusdfciccccsiudhfsdjfscicii thus he was doped to the gills today to be able to keep up with clean Ryder.
Sam. Don't know if you seen but I sent you a PM.
 
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SeriousSam said:
Ryder is more naturally talented than Cledadopucasdnajusdfciccccsiudhfsdjfscicii thus he was doped to the gills today to be able to keep up with clean Ryder.

Not sure if Big Doopie parody or not?
 
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i was doing some research, heavy hitting research on saunier duval and the new sponsor mauro "perfluorocarbons almost stole my heart" gianetti * and i always remember the sponsor after saunier and the other company duval had enough after 2007 with the tourdeforce of ricky riccio, the 2008 or 2009 new sponsor was called mexican beef i am sure. but i find it is actually called american beef, but the slaughterhouse and cows are from mexico. i think, upton sinclair could write a new novel on contador, clen, mexican beef, special economic zones, sino clen, mick "dodger" rogers, doping an other peds.

* "lost my heart to perfluorocarbons" needs to be sung in a 1960s ditty Frankie Valli number
 
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I wonder what the deal is... AC announcing his soon to come retirement in (almost) same breath as going for the double...

Free pass for AC to get the laurels and for UCI to squeesh the last Swiss franc out of him...?

I reckon he will be insane at the TDF.. Wonder if parties will smell blood after that...

#fourmoreyears
 
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Dear Wiggo said:
LaFlorecita said:
I was just thinking today, is it possible that Contador is looking a bit "sub-par" because he's been wearing the jersey since stage 5... I mean, the race leader gets tested every day, right? So variations would be easier to detect..

Ryder was not tested as leader in 2012 mid-race, so not sure why / if Contador would be.
hmm I thought the leader got tested every day? I could be wrong :p
 
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sniper said:
agree also.
but a GT victory without a stage win typically seems to be valued a tad bit less.
Or maybe that's just me.

any idea what's the DIRECT financial gain for an individual rider for winning a stage in the Giro?
For Berto, not much :p
 
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LaFlorecita said:
Dear Wiggo said:
LaFlorecita said:
I was just thinking today, is it possible that Contador is looking a bit "sub-par" because he's been wearing the jersey since stage 5... I mean, the race leader gets tested every day, right? So variations would be easier to detect..

Ryder was not tested as leader in 2012 mid-race, so not sure why / if Contador would be.
hmm I thought the leader got tested every day? I could be wrong :p

So did I. But when JV released Ryder's blood values from the Giro he won, Ryder had no test values for the day he won back pink, or the following days he held it, only being tested the day he lost it.
 
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thought the mandatory testing was the top three of the stage (definitely stage winner), and a random selection of the peloton thereafter?
 
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Archibald said:
thought the mandatory testing was the top three of the stage (definitely stage winner), and a random selection of the peloton thereafter?

So you could win a GT and potentially never get tested as long as you never podiumed a stage - which is what Ryder did.

Seems legit.
 
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Dear Wiggo said:
Archibald said:
thought the mandatory testing was the top three of the stage (definitely stage winner), and a random selection of the peloton thereafter?

So you could win a GT and potentially never get tested as long as you never podiumed a stage - which is what Ryder did.

Seems legit.

sure. Never test positive, right
 
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Dear Wiggo said:
LaFlorecita said:
Dear Wiggo said:
LaFlorecita said:
I was just thinking today, is it possible that Contador is looking a bit "sub-par" because he's been wearing the jersey since stage 5... I mean, the race leader gets tested every day, right? So variations would be easier to detect..

Ryder was not tested as leader in 2012 mid-race, so not sure why / if Contador would be.
hmm I thought the leader got tested every day? I could be wrong :p

So did I. But when JV released Ryder's blood values from the Giro he won, Ryder had no test values for the day he won back pink, or the following days he held it, only being tested the day he lost it.
I don't think the leader is supposed to be blood-tested every day (you'd drain him). He gets urine tests, I imagine.
 
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hrotha said:
Dear Wiggo said:
LaFlorecita said:
Dear Wiggo said:
LaFlorecita said:
I was just thinking today, is it possible that Contador is looking a bit "sub-par" because he's been wearing the jersey since stage 5... I mean, the race leader gets tested every day, right? So variations would be easier to detect..

Ryder was not tested as leader in 2012 mid-race, so not sure why / if Contador would be.
hmm I thought the leader got tested every day? I could be wrong :p

So did I. But when JV released Ryder's blood values from the Giro he won, Ryder had no test values for the day he won back pink, or the following days he held it, only being tested the day he lost it.
I don't think the leader is supposed to be blood-tested every day (you'd drain him). He gets urine tests, I imagine.

But to not be tested at all in pink? Particularly on the day you put in an effort that put you in to pink?

And then - thinking about it conspiratorially - when your little boost has petered out 4 days later, and you fall out of pink, oh well yes we'll test you now. Looks like it's all gone so your test should be fine.
 
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2012 was the year of clean GT winners. UCI had been desperate for an anglophone posterboy and, bam, gets two in one year.

but no need for conspiracy thinking here.
JV's ties with Rossi and Zorzoli (tracing back to his time as president of the AIGCP and his involvement in the ABP) give no reason at all to be suspicious. ;)
it's probably all a coincidence, as is the fact that JV got struck by calibration errors three times at crucial points in his carreer, once in 1999, once in 2009, and once in 2012
:)
 
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skippythepinhead said:
UCI checks Alberto's bike for a motor.

Yeah, that's where he keeps it, Sherlock.
Berto said it himself... "I have 5 motors" Heart, lungs, legs, EPO and bloodbags ;)
 
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Ferrari :

" Alberto Contador deservedly won his third Giro, despite a performance level lower than that of his previous victories.

He looked rather uneasy and "tied up" on the climbs, very often out of the saddle and pushing too long a gear relatively to his power outputs.
Without any team support in the crucial moments of the most demanding stages (Mortirolo, Colle delle Finestre) Alberto managed to get through with experience, legs, and a little luck in those situations that were potentially decisive for the final result.
Good, but not exceptional were his VAM values: 1730 m/h on the Mortirolo, 1703 m/h on the Passo Daone, while on the 1700m of total difference of height of the Colle delle Finestre, Contador seemed to bonk just as sometimes (rarely) happened to him on the longer climbs in the past.

Mikael Landa was always superior to him on the uphill parts: probably "caught up" by team games on the Mortirolo, the young Basque unleashed his power on the dirt stretches of the Colle delle Finestre, actually improving by 45" the time set by the trio Di Luca-Simoni-Rujano in 2005 (27'20" was his time on 722m of climbing).

Fabio Aru confirmed his skills as a climber and finisseur, but he needs to improve on long climbs. He showed surprising resilience after some difficult days in the second week, which suggests further room for improvement for 3-week stage races in the coming seasons.
He still shows limitations in his Time Trialling; issues that are related to his physical structure of a pure climber, which are difficult to solve even with specific training.

Contador won the Giro in 2015 thanks to a good time trial, where he expressed power outputs clearly superior to his rivals: 7.3% more than Aru, 10% more than Landa (perhaps held back by team orders to preserve energy for the next stages in the mountains).
A time trial of 59 Km judged by many to be too long, but whose duration (80 min) was less than the sum of the times of Mortirolo and Colle delle Finestre (100 min); climbs that, for their gradient and length, negated the advantage of drafting and forced the athletes to individual efforts similar to time trialling. I also remind that gaining time while riding at 48-50Km/h is twice as costly than at 16-20 km/h (see my article of 10/13/2011).

Uran (struggling with health problems) and Porte (touted as the absolute favorite by many) were rather disappointing.
Although damaged by unfortunate incidents, the Tasmanian of Team Sky arrived at the start in Sanremo already on the wane, after more than three months of great performances, winning all the stage races he took part in (Paris-Nice, Catalunia and Trentino, among others).
Skilled with excellent aerobic power, confirmed by his fantastic record on the Col de la Madone (29'40": 30" better than Froome, 1' better than Lance, 1'50" better than Rominger), he has yet to prove he can compete for the podium in a race of three weeks.

The overall level of the aspirants to the podium for this year's Giro was therefore quite lower than what the organizers were hoping for, although the show did not suffer at all presenting numerous twists and surprises, including the crisis of Contador on the Colle delle Finestre.
The captain of the Saxo-Tinkoff Team will have to improve, especially on the climbs, in view of the TdF, where he will find other much more aggressive opponents.

ELECTRIC BIKES - Ten years after the first "infiltrations" within the peloton, the UCI eventually and belatedly defined the penalties for this technological "doping".
So we started seeing the first wave of organized controls, even though a bit pre-announced and rough, sort of like a warning that "the party is over": my impression is that the UCI would not be able to hold this scandal at bay and it is doing its utmost to prevent and avoid serious investigations on the past.
I wonder if the inspectors checked, as well as frames, lenticular wheels and spokes, ideal structures where small motors can be hidden in the hubs..."
 
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"He looked rather uneasy and "tied up" on the climbs, very often out of the saddle and pushing too long a gear relatively to his power outputs."

Does Dr Ferrari realize Alberto has been climbing like that for years?
 
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LaFlorecita said:
"He looked rather uneasy and "tied up" on the climbs, very often out of the saddle and pushing too long a gear relatively to his power outputs."

Does Dr Ferrari realize Alberto has been climbing like that for years?

The main point was not that he rode a lot out of the saddle as usual, but his gearing that just not optimal. I've been saying this for a while and the good dr notices it too apparently :p

His force peaks are too high, very different compared too his cadence from 2007/2012.

for example : https://youtu.be/CFViByiv7q4?t=23

But he deliberately chooses to ride like he does now so there's probably some logic behind :)
 

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Still waiting for a member of the press to ask clentadoppucci if he is still using del moral.

When armstrong returned i posted that he would only have done so in consultation with ferrari (despite the ban). Armstrong denied it at the time but was found out later.

I have no doubt clentadoppucci is still working with del moral who had followed him from team to team. Since del moral had coordinated all of clentadoppuccis blood bags and doping to win all his GTs, how could he suddenly do without?

So when will kimmage and walsh get him on record denying the undeniable (continuing his pathological lying on all counts).

Still waiting for those TERRIBLE allergies he ALWAYS suffers from to hit this year like at the dauphine in 2013. Lol. What a fraud.