Will Contador Be Juiced Up Again Upon His Return

[The_Cheech]

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Please sh*t up Taxus.

And I am really into the whole doping stuff, but could there be any chance that Contador's form will increase very much after the first rest day? A little like ex. Aru did in the Giro, or we've seen with other riders in the past. '

Maybe a blood bag or something?

I don't think Alberto's form will improve. It's the other rider's drop in form that makes it seem as though he's improving.

Contador's been lucky in the sense that he hasn't been tested yet during the TdF (I think, please correct me if I'm wrong). That gives him the chance to start the mountain stages from certain blood parameters without it raising a red flag with the testers.

Froome doesn't have that luxury anymore. Blood-wise, they already know where he is.

 

[rm7]

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Please sh*t up Taxus.

And I am really into the whole doping stuff, but could there be any chance that Contador's form will increase very much after the first rest day? A little like ex. Aru did in the Giro, or we've seen with other riders in the past. '

Maybe a blood bag or something?

I don't think Alberto's form will improve. It's the other rider's drop in form that makes it seem as though he's improving.

Contador's been lucky in the sense that he hasn't been tested yet during the TdF (I think, please correct me if I'm wrong). That gives him the chance to start the mountain stages from certain blood parameters without it raising a red flag with the testers.

Froome doesn't have that luxury anymore. Blood-wise, they already know where he is.

I'm sorry if I sound like a total noob, but can you explain your post a little bit more? i'm very interested in hearing about this.

I don't undestand the "Alberto form won't improve, the others will drop" - why would Alberto's not drop if the others do?

And also about the certain blood parameters.

thanks

 

[The_Cheech]

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I'm sorry if I sound like a total noob, but can you explain your post a little bit more? i'm very interested in hearing about this.

I don't undestand the "Alberto form won't improve, the others will drop" - why would Alberto's not drop if the others do?

I don't know why his drop-off is not as fast as every one else's. I guess that's why he's won so much. Now, you seldom see him show up in crappy form and then turn it around. When he's off, he's off. Froome is the total opposite.

Michelle Ferrari himself wrote an article after the Alto de Hazallanas, is this year's Vuelta a Andalucía, in which he pretty much laid out Alberto's constant performance vs. Froome's "unusual" up and downs.

 

[LeindersGains]

I have the feeling that he is in the as shape as in 2013. He doesn't look so smooth like in 2014. Not enough beetroot bags for competing with ET. They shouldn't have fired Riis.

But unlike the last time in Tour De France where he was up against Froome in the real mountains, he will not allow yet another humiliation. I can imagine he will desperately resort to doping in the middle of the race when the Alien and his stormtroopers have disarmed him in and won by an impressive margin in the first couple of mountain stages. This could very well be the end of Contador. He will rather take big risks than facing a second defeat to Froome.

With the night-time testing and the pressure from Oleg, there is a good chance he will get busted. This could very well be the end of Contador.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

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With the night-time testing and the pressure from Oleg, there is a good chance he will get busted. This could very well be the end of Contador.

I doubt there will be any night-time testing of the top guys during the race itself.

 

[Lyon]

Contador is done for in the Tour already. Who here believes he really wanted to do the Giro-Tour double? It's a Tinkov pr-stunt.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Contador is done for in the Tour already. Who here believes he really wanted to do the Giro-Tour double? It's a Tinkov pr-stunt.

If you really think it was just PR you don't know the guy. He wants to win, always.

 

[Netserk]

Reminds me of Basso on Courchevel.

 

[movingtarget]

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If something stole races from Evans, it was gutless cowardly wheel following by a certain Australian

That's what happens when you are not good enough, you follow wheels. You are confusing Evans with Valverde. You should know that, being an expert on gutless and cowardly.

 

[hrotha]

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If something stole races from Evans, it was gutless cowardly wheel following by a certain Australian

That's what happens when you are not good enough, you follow wheels. You are confusing Evans with Valverde. You should know that, being an expert on gutless and cowardly.

Nope. 2008 Evans for example was certainly good enough to win the Tour, but he didn't, largely because he didn't want to take responsibility on Alpe d'Huez. He learned his lesson in 2011, when he rode brilliantly to chase Andy Schleck. That wasn't about being stronger than in 2008 but about accepting the risk of doing what had to be done.

If Evans hits too close home for comfort, take Purito's 2012 Giro. He followed wheels because he thought he didn't need to risk attacking outside his trademarked Murito Comfort Zone, and that's why he lost.

 

[The_Cheech]

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I have the feeling that he is in the as shape as in 2013. He doesn't look so smooth like in 2014. Not enough beetroot bags for competing with ET. They shouldn't have fired Riis.

But unlike the last time in Tour De France where he was up against Froome in the real mountains, he will not allow yet another humiliation. I can imagine he will desperately resort to doping in the middle of the race when the Alien and his stormtroopers have disarmed him in and won by an impressive margin in the first couple of mountain stages. This could very well be the end of Contador. He will rather take big risks than facing a second defeat to Froome.

With the night-time testing and the pressure from Oleg, there is a good chance he will get busted. This could very well be the end of Contador.

Whatever Alberto does now will be minimal compared to the "preparation" he could have, should have, had prior to the TdF. Oleg has a freaking private jet, doesn't he? Why doesn't he let Alberto and a bunch of doctors take an "unplanned" 2-hour trip to New York City to buy candy for his dog?

 

[Taxus4a]

I dont think Contador is doping in anyway now, I dont knoe anyway and all is posisble, always in a very low level, but in the Tour ls less possible.

After his santion he finished the transitional era, IMO, one of the last one, but he is good as well in this era so he is not a rujano that anybody want becouse without doping he just can shine in some mountain ITT or a short hard stage, but far form the level he show in colombia, venezuela, or he showed in the Giro.

In this, with my doubts, I am going to defend Contador. The same at the rest, I cant understand how people that said that is a fan is waiting for him to put a bag in the second week...You must not love cycling.

And i am nor sure about, but Contador maybe would have prefered to ride clean all the peloton all his career, maybe he would have the same palmares, but no very different, or at least he would have been close to the best always.

 

[LeindersGains]

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I dont think Contador is doping in anyway now

Wtf? You honestly believe that he is clean? This is Riis' former team we are talking about. A team well-known for organized doping in the CSC days. A team with several dopers such as most of the team managers. De Jongh, Sean Yates, Patxi Vila, Bobby Julich and now Nicki Sørensen.

Come on, even Contador's biggest fans know that he is on the juice. The question is what he is on and whether it is good enough to beat what Froome is on. And I don't think that Tinkoff-Saxo is as smart and well-organized as Sky when it comes to this question.

 

[Benotti69]

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I dont think Contador is doping in anyway now

Wtf? You honestly believe that he is clean? This is Riis' former team we are talking about. A team well-known for organized doping in the CSC days. A team with several dopers such as most of the team managers. De Jongh, Sean Yates, Patxi Vila, Bobby Julich and now Nicki Sørensen.

Come on, even Contador's biggest fans know that he is on the juice. The question is what he is on and whether it is good enough to beat what Froome is on. And I don't think that Tinkoff-Saxo is as smart and well-organized as Sky when it comes to this question.

TX4 is best ignored.

 

[Sunny]

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I'm sorry if I sound like a total noob, but can you explain your post a little bit more? i'm very interested in hearing about this.

I don't undestand the "Alberto form won't improve, the others will drop" - why would Alberto's not drop if the others do?

Michelle Ferrari himself wrote an article after the Alto de Hazallanas, is this year's Vuelta a Andalucía, in which he pretty much laid out Alberto's constant performance vs. Froome's "unusual" up and downs.

Could you give me a link to that article?

 

[el_angliru]

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Could you give me a link to that article?

Probably this?

 

[LaFlorecita]

I can't believe I am going to say this but I hope Alberto makes good use of the rest day

 

[doperhopper]

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I can't believe I am going to say this but I hope Alberto makes good use of the rest day

In other words, let's quote The Master (Giro 2015): It's the recovery, stupid!

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

Hopefully AC and Nibali both will use the rest day in the same fashion Vino used it in the 06 Vuelta. I want to see a proper fight in the mountains, not a 13 re-run

 

[BYOP88]

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Hopefully AC and Nibali both will use the rest day in the same fashion Vino used it in the 06 Vuelta. I want to see a proper fight in the mountains, not a 13 re-run

Don't we all.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

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I can't believe I am going to say this but I hope Alberto makes good use of the rest day

He looked very human towards the end of that TTT.

 

[Berzin]

Let me get this straight-now it's OK for Contador to dope so he can give Froome a run for his money? So the Tour won't be the same borefest as in 2013?

Contador, Quintana, and Nibali are behind some pretty decent amount of time. Froome has to do nothing but follow wheels and limit his losses to a few seconds here and there. I highly doubt he'll get blown away on any of the mounbtain stages. We will see the same style of riding as in previous years-all the contenders watching each other, and any attacks will come within the last 3-500 meters of every mountaintop finish, maintaining the status quo all the way until Paris.

I see another interminable snoozefest coming. I hope I'm wrong.

 

[BYOP88]

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Let me get this straight-now it's OK for Contador to dope so he can give Froome a run for his money? So the Tour won't be the same borefest as in 2013?

Contador, Quintana, and Nibali are behind some pretty decent amount of time. Froome has to do nothing but follow wheels and limit his losses to a few seconds here and there. I highly doubt he'll get blown away on any of the mounbtain stages. We will see the same style of riding as in previous years-all the contenders watching each other, and any attacks will come within the last 3-500 meters of every mountaintop finish, maintaining the status quo all the way until Paris.

I see another interminable snoozefest coming. I hope I'm wrong.

He won't follow wheels, he'll want to put the hammer down. It's the only thing he knows.

 

[LeindersGains]

It's now common knowledge that rest day equals juice day?

If Contador and Nibali want to win, they'd better empty the medicine cabinet or else it's game over. They are up against an extraterrestrial Android which is preprogrammed to win the game. Man vs. machine literally. Garry Kasparov versus Deep Blue.

The audience deserve a race that's more exciting and unpredictable than the last 3 years known as the dark ages of the Tour. Oleg and Vino are already tainted characters, they have nothing to lose.

I think one of them will get busted. Presumably Nibali. With Astana out, the 16 team league which Cookson requested is a reality. And Vino (like Riis) is finally out of the sport. This has been the plan for years. Let the arm's race begin.

 

[LeindersGains]

There is only one good thing about a boring 2013 scenario I can think of. Oleg's reaction.