Will Contador Be Juiced Up Again Upon His Return

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arvc40 said:
Look, he ain't on same Hot sauce @ Tour since 2010 that's why his performances have been relatively poor there. Over last few years it's clear that riders can take more risks at certain races.

For me also the most likely explanation. Can't risk it anymore at Tour. Thats also why he still performs well in other races, Giro/Vuelta. Rrst is age related in my opinion. So still hopes he goes out with a bang, but not sure how much his late decision to race affected a proper preparation in both senses.
 
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Fergoose said:
At the end of the Vuelta we will be able to reflect on the entirety of Contador's career. The man did the crime and did the time, with perhaps the most incriminating evidence being the clear split in his career performance and energy outputs, pre and post ban. Pre ban we has a ferocious time trialist that could compete for time trial victories. He would also routinely top 6 watts per kilo output on long ascents in the middle of arduous Grand Tours. Post ban his performance levels, barring an occasional stage in the Giro, never reached anything like the same level, and certainly nothing like the same consistency. He has become routinely a complete non-factor in time trials.

His failure to simply own up to doping is as disappointing as it was predictable. An admission that he could never really make once the Spanish Prime Minister of the time had made an embarrassing public announcement of support. I have little doubt that "anti doping heroes" like Dave Millar might have thought twice about owning up if their positive result had also not been for a PED, but instead for a banned substance that is a byproduct of doping. So I do not judge Alberto too harshly for choosing to live the lie.

He has fought hard since his return from the ban, even in hopeless situations. He has animated the race and gambled, often with complete futility in the era of team radios and massive team salary inequality. He has entertained striving for an impossible victory when others have been cautious and ridden defensively to hold on to a cherished top 10 finish.

He has chosen not to follow the absurd late career peaks of Valverde, Vinokourov and Horner, though this will surely have been an option for him. He has chosen instead to recognise that it is entirely natural for the body and endurance to decline after the age of 32 or 33, and that, except in the rarest of physiological circumstances, the only way to maintain or improve your level beyond that age is to dope.

On reflection, I think there is a real chance Contador was once bitten, twice shy when it came to doping and chose not to dope on his return from the ban. If so, it would be a wonderful endorsement of science behind catching him, the measures in place to catch and deter dopers in the 2008 period and also of Contador's personal character. Personal dignity perhaps being more important to him than winning at all costs.

I wish him well in his attempts to win a stage at his last Vuelta and to retire a with a degree of honour and a last little success. An honour that many of his doping peers will not have earnt.

He won the '15 Giro on a great TT performance.

No way he was clean. I think he used a reduced program in '13, accepted it was insufficient; full octane in '14
 
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Contador not taking any chances this last race after seeing what happened to Samu? Would be the smart thing to do. Probably drained by the emotions in recent times too. Decision made; head in a different place.
 
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I have to agree with you. It looks like Contador is not taking any chances on his last race. And the smart thing to do. People adore him now, so he can come back to cycling with type of job.
 
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In the end Contador post ban was never the rider he was pre ban. Not even close. Which also makes the Contador is Cyclings Real Champion thread kinda funny.

Nevertheless, i liked to watch him and his attacks. A little bit of the good old era, where i started watching cycling.
 
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Beech Mtn said:
Contador not taking any chances this last race after seeing what happened to Samu? Would be the smart thing to do. Probably drained by the emotions in recent times too. Decision made; head in a different place.
Disagree. What would he lose by testing positive in this race? The only thing he can lose is future cycling jobs but he can still get job even if he tests positive imo.

Even if he tests positive and gets a 12 years ban (or a life ban) not a problem since this is his last race anyway. I and many of his fans would probably still continue to adore him and he already has many haters because of the clenbuterol saga and some other things.
 
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Forever The Best said:
Beech Mtn said:
Contador not taking any chances this last race after seeing what happened to Samu? Would be the smart thing to do. Probably drained by the emotions in recent times too. Decision made; head in a different place.
Disagree. What would he lose by testing positive in this race? The only thing he can lose is future cycling jobs but he can still get job even if he tests positive imo.

Even if he tests positive and gets a 12 years ban (or a life ban) not a problem since this is his last race anyway. I and many of his fans would probably still continue to adore him and he already has many haters because of the clenbuterol saga and some other things.

You will continue to adore him if he was confirmed as a career doper (because it would take some doing to test positive twice within a bit over 7 years)?

I suppose one can hypothetically argue that he isn't/wasn't doing anything different from the others, but in the real world a second positive would absolutely put a question mark over the whole career.
 
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He obviously has little to gain and lots of lose by taking any risks at this point in his career. The damage to his public image would be huge. It'd be rather daft. Taking risks if he could actually win? Ok, sure, that's cycling. But just for the sake of it? Nah.

By the way, both Samu and Contador used to work with Pepe Martí. I doubt that link is still relevant, but there it is.
 
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roundabout said:
Forever The Best said:
Beech Mtn said:
Contador not taking any chances this last race after seeing what happened to Samu? Would be the smart thing to do. Probably drained by the emotions in recent times too. Decision made; head in a different place.
Disagree. What would he lose by testing positive in this race? The only thing he can lose is future cycling jobs but he can still get job even if he tests positive imo.

Even if he tests positive and gets a 12 years ban (or a life ban) not a problem since this is his last race anyway. I and many of his fans would probably still continue to adore him and he already has many haters because of the clenbuterol saga and some other things.

You will continue to adore him if he was confirmed as a career doper (because it would take some doing to test positive twice within a bit over 7 years)?

I suppose one can hypothetically argue that he isn't/wasn't doing anything different from the others, but in the real world a second positive would absolutely put a question mark over the whole career.
'Adore' isn't the correct word (after all- I don't think I should adore a cyclist- 'I will continue to be a fan' would be the more right word) but the bolded is what I think and I am a fan.
And about the question mark, I am pretty sure that Contador was doping in all of his pro career, probably even as early as youth.
Also I thought the meaning of 'adore' was the same as 'admiration'. :redface:

hrotha said:
He obviously has little to gain and lots of lose by taking any risks at this point in his career. The damage to his public image would be huge. It'd be rather daft. Taking risks if he could actually win? Ok, sure, that's cycling. But just for the sake of it? Nah.

By the way, both Samu and Contador used to work with Pepe Martí. I doubt that link is still relevant, but there it is.
Maybe he could have tried to go out on top but it looks like he has decided for the safer option. And I think the damage was already done in clenbuterol case.

Also didn't know Samu worked with Marti. And I think there is a chance that Contador may have went back to Marti after the 2013 failure.

Edit: Made a small edit about whether he started doping in his youth. 'Probably' is a better word than 'Perhaps' about if he started doping in his youth.
 
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I agree with some of the posters up thread a bit. Contador probably forgo-ed his "pre-race conditioning" as he knew it would be his last race and it wouldn't be any good with a chance of getting popped on his last race. That would be how everybody remembered him, and would be worse than him not performing GT level in his last race.
 

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Escarabajo said:
I think the damage to his image will be big if he tests positive again. Not everyone thinks like us.
what does that mean?

I've always been told the clinic is not one being, your post proves that wrong....Thanks
 
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rick james said:
Escarabajo said:
I think the damage to his image will be big if he tests positive again. Not everyone thinks like us.
what does that mean?

I've always been told the clinic is not one being, your post proves that wrong....Thanks

Only if you don't read the many different posts/posters in the clinic
 
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"We in the Clinic think the Earth is round(ish)"
"AHA! SO YOU WERE A MONOLITHIC HIVE MIND AFTER ALL"
 
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StryderHells said:
rick james said:
Escarabajo said:
I think the damage to his image will be big if he tests positive again. Not everyone thinks like us.
what does that mean?

I've always been told the clinic is not one being, your post proves that wrong....Thanks

Only if you don't read the many different posts/posters in the clinic


rick james is someone who sees the Sky story in such low resolution that he seems totally unaware of the 1001 contradictions that have come out so far, in their stories.

When someone has that kind of low res view of the world, its no surprise that a forum with hundreds of members, appears to them as 1 person.
 
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rick james said:
Escarabajo said:
I think the damage to his image will be big if he tests positive again. Not everyone thinks like us.
what does that mean?

I've always been told the clinic is not one being, your post proves that wrong....Thanks
Us = cyclingnews forum posters
Obviously most on here don't care too much about doping as shown by Contador's popularity.

Now go to bikeradar where 90% thinks doping became a thing of the past when Sky popped up and see, most posters despise Contador. Big difference.
 
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LaFlorecita said:
rick james said:
Escarabajo said:
I think the damage to his image will be big if he tests positive again. Not everyone thinks like us.
what does that mean?

I've always been told the clinic is not one being, your post proves that wrong....Thanks
Us = cyclingnews forum posters
Obviously most on here don't care too much about doping as shown by Contador's popularity.

Now go to bikeradar where 90% thinks doping became a thing of the past when Sky popped up and see, most posters despise Contador. Big difference.
I feel inclined to open an account there and refer to him as the Great One in every 2nd post.
 
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Red Rick said:
I feel inclined to open an account there and refer to him as the Great One in every 2nd post.
You'd get banned for trolling... referring to him as Dirtie is completely OK though
 
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LaFlorecita said:
Red Rick said:
I feel inclined to open an account there and refer to him as the Great One in every 2nd post.
You'd get banned for trolling... referring to him as Dirtie is completely OK though

I won't give them the additional ad. benefit of ever clicking on that awful place.
 
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I will say that I am pleased that Contador has been able to realise his real ability level in last few years at the Tour. Imagine only ever knowing your high octane level. Although he would have probably been happy to carry on with cheating and lies.

He now knows that he was 2nd best to Mick Rass and 2nd best to Froome in last few years.

2009 was a good Tour for him. He won that fair and square, albeit without Michael Rass and Froome there.

2010 not really a happy memory !.
 
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Red Rick said:
LaFlorecita said:
rick james said:
Escarabajo said:
I think the damage to his image will be big if he tests positive again. Not everyone thinks like us.
what does that mean?

I've always been told the clinic is not one being, your post proves that wrong....Thanks
Us = cyclingnews forum posters
Obviously most on here don't care too much about doping as shown by Contador's popularity.

Now go to bikeradar where 90% thinks doping became a thing of the past when Sky popped up and see, most posters despise Contador. Big difference.
I feel inclined to open an account there and refer to him as the Great One in every 2nd post.

I think I'll join you. Should be great fun! :D
 
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arvc40 said:
I will say that I am pleased that Contador has been able to realise his real ability level in last few years at the Tour. Imagine only ever knowing your high octane level. Although he would have probably been happy to carry on with cheating and lies.

He now knows that he was 2nd best to Mick Rass and 2nd best to Froome in last few years.

2009 was a good Tour for him. He won that fair and square, albeit without Michael Rass and Froome there.

2010 not really a happy memory !.

You are on some really other worldly type of stuff. This is the true you that is only hinted at in the Professional Cycling side. If you believe your lord and master is clean then being clueless is the least of your afflictions.
 
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arvc40 said:
I will say that I am pleased that Contador has been able to realise his real ability level in last few years at the Tour. Imagine only ever knowing your high octane level. Although he would have probably been happy to carry on with cheating and lies.

He now knows that he was 2nd best to Mick Rass and 2nd best to Froome in last few years.

2009 was a good Tour for him. He won that fair and square, albeit without Michael Rass and Froome there.

2010 not really a happy memory !.

What a thoroughly nasty little post.