Will Contador Be Juiced Up Again Upon His Return

[Fergoose]

Happy to put the boot into Contador generally and not great for the sport to have him and Valverde dancing off into the sunset (and the way riders from other teams go out of their way to help out folk returning from bans disgusts me). But I'm not convinced yesterday was a clear sign Alberto is heavily doping or that he topped up on rest day.

Others have covered the main arguments above. I'd just add that Rodriguez admitted he was "slow to react" to the attack by Contador when there was no cameras so getting the gap on the penultimate climb isn't suspicious. From then on the way Katusha tried to chase the gap back was never going to work and they were mad to let Movistar and Saxobank riders go up the road. A shocking tactical performance by them.

I'm having a harder time getting my head around Valverde riding Rodriguez off his wheel and the sudden emergence of Danish Postal in the past week.

 

[pmcg76]

Commentators are going on about eddy and bernard, about old school racing. But to me this stage resembles floyds 2006 tour winning flyer, and it's willful ignorance to not make that comparison. I would love to compare the VAM from that day and yesterday.

Seriously, you are comparing what happened yesterday to what Landis pulled in 06!!!

Lets see, Landis attacked solo from 100k out with 5 climbs in front of him inclduing the HC Col de Joux Plane plus two 1st cat climbs. He stayed away on his own catching and quickly spitting out the break and won the stage by over 5 minutes having conceded 9 the previous day.

Contador attacked 50km out over a 2nd cat climb, bridged up to a sizeable group whereupon his Saxo team-mated pulled it along until the final sprint with 20k to go when he attacked again to drag Tiralongo with him who promptly did the majority of the work before dropping with about 15k to go and Contador barely held of Valverde at the finish line whom he once had a 2 minute lead over. Yes just like Lanids in 06

I dont mind people claiming yesterdays performance was somehow proof of doping but the gross exaggeration's are just stupid really.

 

[pmcg76]

When Sky do it and it's boring: bunch of dopers, best program since US Postal

When Saxo do it and it's exciting: most hitherto anti-doping crusaders: Saxo are clean, everyone except Bertie is charged up because Alberto can't break them after 25-26 violent accelerations in 15 stages, anyone who claims otherwise is Contador hater and not a real cycling fan, etc.

Pathetic BS, if you can show me one of the anti-doping crusaders in here who believes Contador is clean, that would be great. I think most said it was an impressive, exciting performance regardless of doping issues unlike SKY who were boring regardless of the same doping issues.

I think a few have correctly pointed out that yesterday wasnt as amazing as some are making out eg. comparing it to Landis.

More typical BS from the "people are bashing SKY its not fair brigade".

 

[killswitch]

Pathetic BS, if you can show me one of the anti-doping crusaders in here who believes Contador is clean, that would be great. I think most said it was an impressive, exciting performance regardless of doping issues unlike SKY who were boring regardless of the same doping issues.

I think a few have correctly pointed out that yesterday wasnt as amazing as some are making out eg. comparing it to Landis.

More typical BS from the "people are bashing SKY its not fair brigade".

Seems you didn't even read my post.

edit: an example http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=1014803&postcount=5365

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=1014775&postcount=115
http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=1014783&postcount=116

 

[pmcg76]

Seems you didn't even read my post.

Change Contador for Saxo then, point stands.

 

[Benotti69]

I wonder was a raid on Saxo hotel on the rest day called off at the last minute and we wont find out for another 10 years.

 

[Paco_P]

And of course, it is only Spaniards in Spain who seem to be able to deliver the impossible. Seems to be an institutionalized thing if you ask this observer.

I didn't realize Wiggins was Spanish.

You've got to quit with the jingoistic ranting.

 

[Big Doopie]

I wonder was a raid on Saxo hotel on the rest day called off at the last minute and we wont find out for another 10 years.

of course, this is spain, i doubt a raid was even organized...

 

[sniper]

German press baffled about unlimited Spanish support for Contador.

"Mit gesundem Menschenverstand ist dies kaum zu erklären - es ist das Problem einer ganzen Generation."
This is hard to reconcile with common sense. It is the problem of a whole generation

The author of the article is stunned how Marca calls Contador's victory a "heroic act", El Mundo speaks of "The return of the best cyclist", and AS is also using superlatives.

And more German disbelief regarding the Spanish "generación de oro":

der gesunde Menschenverstand im spanischen Spitzensport [hat] ja seit jeher einen schweren Stand. Schließlich ist er eine Art natürlicher Feind jenes nationalen Körperwunders, das sich dort unter dem Jubelbegriff generacíon de oro (Generation Gold) versammelt und sehr erstaunliche Leistungen in Kernsportbereichen vom Fußball über Leichtathletik bis zum Radsport hervorgebracht hat.

Common sense is nowhere to be found in Spanish topsport. After all, common sense is the natural enemy of the Spanish physical miracle locally known as "Generación de Oro, a term that covers all the remarkable spansih results in key sports from soccer, through track and field, to cycling.

and the article goes on to bemoan OP, the A.C. initials, the fact that not only cycling was involved, and the refusal of spanish authorities to release the relevant documents pertaining to OP, and how OP 'incidentally' coincides with the generacion de oro.

http://www.sueddeutsche.de/sport/doping-im-radsport-spanischer-fiebertraum-1.1461084

 

[Bicycle]

Their footballers, tennis players, cyclists - they're all at it.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Their footballers, tennis players, cyclists - they're all at it.

and other countries are not?

 

[LaFlorecita]

German press baffled about unlimited Spanish support for Contador.

The author of the article is stunned how Marca calls Contador's victory a "heroic act", El Mundo speaks of "The return of the best cyclist", and AS is also using superlatives.

And more German disbelief regarding the Spanish "generación de oro":

and the article goes on to bemoan OP, the A.C. initials, the fact that not only cycling was involved, and the refusal of spanish authorities to release the relevant documents pertaining to OP, and how OP 'incidentally' coincides with the generacion de oro.

http://www.sueddeutsche.de/sport/doping-im-radsport-spanischer-fiebertraum-1.1461084

Why do you always quote german articles they're even more biased than I.

 

[LaFlorecita]

and other countries are not?

+1 blablabla

 

[Bicycle]

and other countries are not?

For decades they hardly won anything - then they started producing champions all over the place. Maybe they were late-developers in doping.

 

[hrotha]

For decades they hardly won anything - then they started producing champions all over the place. Maybe they were late-developers in doping.

I suggest you check the medal charts at the Olympics. Before Barcelona'92, it was embarrassing. Even after Barcelona, Spain is still a very mediocre country results-wise, and they have got close to zero results in track & field for years.

 

[Cycle Chic]

La Florectita

I see the nuthouse has let Florecita out again

 

[ebandit]

hard

I see the nuthouse has let Florecita out again

don't be so hard.........i was allowed to sign up

what about alberto at lombardy...............will he do a gilbert?

 

[sniper]

I suggest you check the medal charts at the Olympics. Before Barcelona'92, it was embarrassing. Even after Barcelona, Spain is still a very mediocre country results-wise, and they have got close to zero results in track & field for years.

i doubt any sort of stats will be able to disprove what most observers take for granted, namely that spain's generacion de oro is based on juice.
of course other countries juice and spain has merely cauight up, I realize that. but spain's athletic uprising in the 90s and 2000s was one of the most farcical illustrations of institutionalized doping of contemporary sports.

 

[Bicycle]

i doubt any sort of stats will be able to disprove what most observers take for granted, namely that spain's generacion de oro is based on juice.
of course other countries juice and spain has merely cauight up, I realize that. but spain's athletic uprising in the 90s and 2000s was one of the most farcical illustrations of institutionalized doping of contemporary sports.

Delgado was an inspiration to a generation - he showed just what could be achieved

 

[Mr.38%]

Delgado was an inspiration to a generation - he showed just what could be achieved

..if you arrive in time.

 

[hrotha]

Delgado was an inspiration to a generation - he showed just what could be achieved

The only inspiration was East Germany's doctors (especially after the wall fell), and the likes of Fuentes and Pascua picking up their methods. Like everyone else, I might add.

 

[lawhoo]

Yes, exactly. The gap to Bert was never that large and was almost completely whittled away by the line. This was not a performance where the solo rider kept putting increasing time into groups chasing from behind over very serious terrain.

Seriously, you are comparing what happened yesterday to what Landis pulled in 06!!!

Lets see, Landis attacked solo from 100k out with 5 climbs in front of him inclduing the HC Col de Joux Plane plus two 1st cat climbs. He stayed away on his own catching and quickly spitting out the break and won the stage by over 5 minutes having conceded 9 the previous day.

Contador attacked 50km out over a 2nd cat climb, bridged up to a sizeable group whereupon his Saxo team-mated pulled it along until the final sprint with 20k to go when he attacked again to drag Tiralongo with him who promptly did the majority of the work before dropping with about 15k to go and Contador barely held of Valverde at the finish line whom he once had a 2 minute lead over. Yes just like Lanids in 06

I dont mind people claiming yesterdays performance was somehow proof of doping but the gross exaggeration's are just stupid really.

 

[sartoris]

Enjoy, haters !!

http://www.rtve.es/alacarta/videos/vuelta-ciclista-a-espana/imagenes-del-ataque-contador-collada-hoz/1522924/

 

[GJB123]

Germans don't understand cycling and never will. They don't the heroism of cycling. I guess they are just not catholic enough.

Oddly enough they have no problem vilifying cycling (sometimes rightly so) and at the same time turn a blind eye to other sports that are as obviously riddled with doping.

Regards
GJ

 

[ebandit]

thanks!

Enjoy, haters !!

http://www.rtve.es/alacarta/videos/vuelta-ciclista-a-espana/imagenes-del-ataque-contador-collada-hoz/1522924/

thanks! wish i had been riding my bike there today.................just managed a short spin round our city etc