Will Contador Be Juiced Up Again Upon His Return

[the sceptic]

He probably skipped the Crit International after he saw in the Tirreno that he's going to need an extra blood bag in the Tour, and extracted it this week. Dertie can't be happy with what he saw today.

Pretty much. He will need to do something extreme if hes gonna have a chance against them. Porte is probably a better climber than Contador right now

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

My guess is Contador is not willing to dope to the levels some donks are doing now and is waiting for them to get busted. It cannot be long if logic applies.

When 31 year old nobodies are able to sprint on Montjuich on the big knife like they are friggin Museeuw you should tone the bb's down yourself: it is not working.

 

[Contadoraus Schlecks]

It doesn't look like Contador is doping atm. He is still at the top end of each race (top 5) but is clearly lacking something. In fact, as strong as they are on paper his whole team looks amateurish compared to Sky.

Will he risk it in the Tour?

 

[Netserk]

ofc he is doping atm.

Just not enough.

 

[Lanark]

It doesn't look like Contador is doping atm. He is still at the top end of each race (top 5) but is clearly lacking something. In fact, as strong as they are on paper his whole team looks amateurish compared to Sky.

Will he risk it in the Tour?

Yeah, looks like he'll ride the season as risk averse as possible, and only go on a full program for the Tour. I'm sure he'll be much, much better by that time.

 

[Contadoraus Schlecks]

Yeah, looks like he'll ride the season as risk averse as possible, and only go on a full program for the Tour. I'm sure he'll be much, much better by that time.

Possibly, it is probably his sole target for the year. Although it also looked like he was missing something at the Vuelta last year.

If he is noticeably better at the Tour it will look very very dodgy

 

[jamesmasters]

I don't know how everyone's so certain that every rider is still juicing. Post Armstrong there is clearly a massive stigma attached to it which didn't exist before. Life would not be a bed of roses for Contador if he were to get caught again. Do you think he wants to have the same universal disgust and condemnation heaped on him that Armstrong is getting?

The simple explanation is often the right one and the simple explanation here looks to be as follows: He juiced hard and killed everyone, then he stopped juicing and also stopped winning. Hard to take for his fans but that looks like the reality of the situation.

Of course if he discovers some "form" (cough, cough) for the Tour it will look terrible.

 

[SeriousSam]

That he stopped juicing is no simpler an explanation than that he reduced the juice. While the costs of doping, if you are caught, may have gone up, the chances of being caught on a careful program are probably slim to none so the expected costs of doping are still really low, yet the expected benefits continue to be high. Hence he'd still have a strong incentive to dope.

 

[willbick]

Jamesmasters do u have to be so boringly rational?

 

[willbick]

That he stopped juicing is no simpler an explanation than that he reduced the juice. While the costs of doping, if you are caught, may have gone up, the chances of being caught on a careful program are probably slim to none so the expected costs of doping are still really low, yet the expected benefits continue to be high. Hence he'd still have a strong incentive to dope.

if the chance of being caught is slim then the benefit is also likely slim

 

[willbick]

I don't know how everyone's so certain that every rider is still juicing. Post Armstrong there is clearly a massive stigma attached to it which didn't exist before. Life would not be a bed of roses for Contador if he were to get caught again. Do you think he wants to have the same universal disgust and condemnation heaped on him that Armstrong is getting?

The simple explanation is often the right one and the simple explanation here looks to be as follows: He juiced hard and killed everyone, then he stopped juicing and also stopped winning. Hard to take for his fans but that looks like the reality of the situation.

Of course if he discovers some "form" (cough, cough) for the Tour it will look terrible.

because it gives them something to talk about and pretend they are 'in the know'

 

[LaFlorecita]

Jamesmasters do u have to be so boringly rational?

WTF are you smoking

 

[Lanark]

because it gives them something to talk about and pretend they are 'in the know'

And because despite the hundreds of scandals cycling has had, nobody ever stopped doping. You'd have to be naive of without any knowledge of cycling history to think it'll change now because Armstrong was caught and vilified.

 

[willbick]

And because despite the hundreds of scandals cycling has had, nobody ever stopped doping. You'd have to be naive of without any knowledge of cycling history to think it'll change now because Armstrong was caught and vilified.

I dont think its stopped because of Armstrong being caught. I think its stopped because finally the testers have (for now) caught up with the dopers, mainly due to the blood passport which makes it practically impossible to boost yr red blood cells in competition. Im not saying the sport is 100 percent clean and im not saying it will be clean in the future, but right now i am sure it is the cleanest since the late 1980s.

 

[LaFlorecita]

I dont think its stopped because of Armstrong being caught. I think its stopped because finally the testers have (for now) caught up with the dopers, mainly due to the blood passport which makes it practically impossible to boost yr red blood cells in competition. Im not saying the sport is 100 percent clean and im not saying it will be clean in the future, but right now i am sure it is the cleanest since the late 1980s.

Haha Froome has no problem with boosting his blood cells

 

[willbick]

Cyclists will always try to find ways to gain an advantage, some more unscrupulously than others. Im sure at the moment their are riders who are breaking the rules in one form or another but the important point to make is that even if some riders are cheating the advantage they are getting now is way smaller than in the old Epo days. You will never eliminate cheating in sport but you can certainly dramatically reduce the advantage that cheats gain

 

[Zam_Olyas]

because it gives them something to talk about and pretend they are 'in the know'

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[the asian]

I dont think its stopped because of Armstrong being caught. I think its stopped because finally the testers have (for now) caught up with the dopers, mainly due to the blood passport which makes it practically impossible to boost yr red blood cells in competition. Im not saying the sport is 100 percent clean and im not saying it will be clean in the future, but right now i am sure it is the cleanest since the late 1980s.

I think current doping is similar to 90-93 levels. Not everybody is doping, but a few are doing with remarkable success.

 

[BYOP88]

I can't wait for next year, America will be back at the top of the cycling world. Joe Dombrowski will be the next rider to be a major GC guy, given he'll have 1 year with Sky under his belt. Wiggans, Froome, Uran, Porte, Henao better hope they don't get moved to another team otherwise they'll end up like Rogers.

 

[BYOP88]

I dont think its stopped because of Armstrong being caught. I think its stopped because finally the testers have (for now) caught up with the dopers, mainly due to the blood passport which makes it practically impossible to boost yr red blood cells in competition. Im not saying the sport is 100 percent clean and im not saying it will be clean in the future, but right now i am sure it is the cleanest since the late 1980s.

Can you tell me who the last elite cyclist to get busted by the bio-passport was?

Off the top of my head I'm struggling, the only guys I can recall getting done by the passport are old guys who've retired or doing their final year in the field or low level guys.

As Mr Hoste's lawyer said "The biological passport is a perfect instrument, providing it is used correctly. The UCI is very selective in the samples they chose.”." http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/hoste-facing-payment-of-300000-euros-in-doping-case

 

[Pentacycle]

Riis has totally lost it, doesn't he know how to properly prepare his riders anymore or is he willingly riding cleaner? Contador should go to a team where he gets what he needs. Saxo used to be the team where riders had sudden improvements, now they're just lame like all the others 'cept Sky ofc.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Conti is just not interested in little races like Vasco, never was.

Oooops.

 

[gooner]

I don't know how everyone's so certain that every rider is still juicing. Post Armstrong there is clearly a massive stigma attached to it which didn't exist before. Life would not be a bed of roses for Contador if he were to get caught again. Do you think he wants to have the same universal disgust and condemnation heaped on him that Armstrong is getting?

The simple explanation is often the right one and the simple explanation here looks to be as follows: He juiced hard and killed everyone, then he stopped juicing and also stopped winning. Hard to take for his fans but that looks like the reality of the situation.

Of course if he discovers some "form" (cough, cough) for the Tour it will look terrible.

That doesn't add up either. Your theory saying he wouldn't risk it again has to be applied to his dominant Giro 2011 "win" so. By your logic he also wouldn't of have doped in that period due to an impending CAS case to be heard. Therefore, the "stopped juicing and also stopped winning" argument you use, is rendered insignificant and an even more redundant one as he was "winning" other races like Catalonia and Murcia.

 

[will10]

I don't know how everyone's so certain that every rider is still juicing. Post Armstrong there is clearly a massive stigma attached to it which didn't exist before. Life would not be a bed of roses for Contador if he were to get caught again. Do you think he wants to have the same universal disgust and condemnation heaped on him that Armstrong is getting?

The simple explanation is often the right one and the simple explanation here looks to be as follows: He juiced hard and killed everyone, then he stopped juicing and also stopped winning. Hard to take for his fans but that looks like the reality of the situation.

Of course if he discovers some "form" (cough, cough) for the Tour it will look terrible.

There was a massive stigma attached to doping post-Festina. Didn't you know everyone stopped doping in 1998? And then they stopped doping again in 2006. And then a truce was called in 2008. And now everyone has stopped again in 2012.

 

[maxmartin]

I can't wait for next year, America will be back at the top of the cycling world. Joe Dombrowski will be the next rider to be a major GC guy, given he'll have 1 year with Sky under his belt. Wiggans, Froome, Uran, Porte, Henao better hope they don't get moved to another team otherwise they'll end up like Rogers.

Day dreaming? SKY after all is a British team. I think they probably won't even let Joe Dombrowski get into "inner circle" code name for advanced doping unless he showed SKY loyalty after at least two years. And SKY right now already have more than enough top GC guys, why they keep pushing out new superman.