Will Contador Be Juiced Up Again Upon His Return

[hfer07]

I honestly have not seem Contador that skinny since I started following him- even in 09 his shape was somewhat "human".....

gotta do what u gotta do to fight an Alien

 

[Netserk]

Contador crushing the Dauphine is highly unusual, looks like he found the Piti/Purito secret. Could surpass 2008 as the greatest stage racing season since 1998.

If everything goes as planned: Tirreno-Adriatico, Pais Vasco, Dauphiné, Tour & Vuelta.

Three big one-weeks and two GTs, surely that'd be better than 'just' the Giro-Tour double, no?

 

[SiAp1984]

I guess there is no other explanation for ACs rise in form: He is seriously back on his old programme. Being the great responder he is, the effect of whatever he takes is impressive. He still is the legitimate heir lf Big Tex. Would be so great if he tested positive again. Would be good news for cycling...

 

[Gung Ho Gun]

As a guess: he played it safe in 2013, after his suspension, while Kreuziger tested the new stuff the team had learned from a certain Dutch DS or whoever it was. It turned out to be kosher, as Kreuziger didn't have any problems with his tests or his BP, so in 2014 (and after seeing first hand that nope, the conservative program wasn't going to cut it) Contador also got on the bandwagon.

My thoughts exactly

 

[darwin553]

As a guess: he played it safe in 2013, after his suspension, while Kreuziger tested the new stuff the team had learned from a certain Dutch DS or whoever it was. It turned out to be kosher, as Kreuziger didn't have any problems with his tests or his BP, so in 2014 (and after seeing first hand that nope, the conservative program wasn't going to cut it) Contador also got on the bandwagon.

Kreuziger is a pretty big guinea pig, no?

 

[RobbieCanuck]

RC Cola, just so we are all clear, no one who has been banned has been innocent.

I have never said AC was not innocent according to the strict liability rules, but clearly the amount under AC's circumstances had no performance enhancing effect. Clen is one of those drugs where a thresh-hold is called for, especially after all the food contamination cases.

It is pretty ludicrous and hypocritical of WADA and the UCI to argue the presence of an amount of a drug that could not under any circumstance have had a performance enhancing effect should in the circumstances of AC's case resulted in a suspension and stripping him of his palmares.

"If the law supposes that,” said Mr. Bumble,… “the law is a ass—an idiot. If that’s the eye of the law, the law is a bachelor; and the worst I wish the law is that his eye may be opened by experience—by experience.”

 

[RobbieCanuck]

That's one way of looking at it, of course another might be that this statement comes from the head in the sand dreamworld of a Contador fanboy.

Nope - I deal in facts and not puerile speculation. I am a fanboy because he is the greatest rider of his generation and has been since 2003! I don't need a dream world because I live in the real world. You on the other hand are merely spouting the usual unsubstantiated and distorted rhetoric when there is no evidence to substantiate your point of view. It is called the hughj-anus theory of cycling.

 

[Walkman]

I have never said AC was not innocent according to the strict liability rules, but clearly the amount under AC's circumstances had no performance enhancing effect. Clen is one of those drugs where a thresh-hold is called for, especially after all the food contamination cases.

It is pretty ludicrous and hypocritical of WADA and the UCI to argue the presence of an amount of a drug that could not under any circumstance have had a performance enhancing effect should in the circumstances of AC's case resulted in a suspension and stripping him of his palmares.

"If the law supposes that,” said Mr. Bumble,… “the law is a ass—an idiot. If that’s the eye of the law, the law is a bachelor; and the worst I wish the law is that his eye may be opened by experience—by experience.”

You are wrong. If the clenbuterol comes from a contaminated blood bag, he did benefitted during his preparations due to the inherent function of clenbuterol.

And given the way he rode in 2012 and 2013, it's pretty clear he was heavily on the juice back in 2010.

 

[King Boonen]

So, how juiced will Dirty Bertie be at the Tour? It looks like he has Vroome's number on the climbs, but he'll need to match him in the TT's as well if he's to take the win. Hope he's getting his bags screened this time...


Will he be able to match Froome? How much help is he going to need?

 

[LaFlorecita]

So, how juiced will Dirty Bertie be at the Tour? It looks like he has Vroome's number on the climbs, but he'll need to match him in the TT's as well if he's to take the win. Hope he's getting his bags screened this time...

To the bolded - why would he need to match Froome in the ITT if he has his number on the climbs?

 

[King Boonen]

To the bolded - why would he need to match Froome in the ITT if he has his number on the climbs?

I mean he can stay with Froome, possibly take some time, but he's not going to put minutes into him. If Froome does what he did last year in the TT's, beating him on a couple of climbs isn't going to help Bertie if he's losing minutes on the solo efforts.

 

[roundabout]

Contador won't lose minutes in the TT.

Magic.

 

[Publicus]

I mean he can stay with Froome, possibly take some time, but he's not going to put minutes into him. If Froome does what he did last year in the TT's, beating him on a couple of climbs isn't going to help Bertie if he's losing minutes on the solo efforts.

I think the fact that the sole ITT is on the penultimate day helps AC, since the individuals ability to recover from the prior 19 stages will be a significant factor. That is assuming, as I do, that he recovers better than Froome.

 

[djpbaltimore]

I think the fact that the sole ITT is on the penultimate day helps AC, since the individuals ability to recover from the prior 19 stages will be a significant factor. That is assuming, as I do, that he recovers better than Froome.

I don't think there is really any empirical evidence that states that Contador recovers better that Froome. Froome looked to be fading last year towards the end, but AC looked even more cooked by comparison. Froome was very strong in the final 2012 TT, so I think it is wishful thinking to suggest he won't perform extremely well.

As for the level of doping at the TDF, I think it is going to be more reminiscent of 2007 with trackstands between the two protagonists going up mountains while the rest get blown out the back. If so, hopefully they both get thrown out and not just one of them.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Contador looked cooked throughout the entire race. I wouldn't say he looked worse in the 3rd week than in the first two weeks.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Nope - I deal in facts and not puerile speculation. I am a fanboy because he is the greatest rider of his generation and has been since 2003! I don't need a dream world because I live in the real world. You on the other hand are merely spouting the usual unsubstantiated and distorted rhetoric when there is no evidence to substantiate your point of view. It is called the hughj-anus theory of cycling.

Contador is fun to watch, I enjoy his style of racing much more than any of the calculating GC riders that we see these days. But "greatest rider of his generation"? The sad part is we will never know since his entire generation has been doped far beyond any earlier generations. Pull your head out, dude.

 

[SeriousSam]

So I take it you stopped trying to think about who the best riders are in 1990, yet you still keep going and follow the sport? That's commitment almost worthy of winning a Grant Tour

 

[Hugh Januss]

So I take it you stopped trying to think about who the best riders are in 1990, yet you still keep going and follow the sport? That's commitment almost worthy of winning a Grant Tour

Uhhm, wut?

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Uhhm, wut?

wut you said. ?

 

[LaFlorecita]

I fully expect Contador to test positive at the Tour. Hope I'm wrong of course.

 

[hrotha]

I fully expect Contador to test positive at the Tour. Hope I'm wrong of course.

But if the Kreuziger thing was a set-up to weaken Contador... why would they then have him test positive during the Tour itself? Why not skip step one, thus reducing the risks of the operation?

 

[the sceptic]

I fully expect Contador to test positive at the Tour. Hope I'm wrong of course.

Only if he starts beating the horse. If he is a good amigo and knows his place then nothing will happen.. But yeah, my first thought today was that this was a warning to Contador to slow down.

 

[Walkman]

Only if he starts beating the horse. If he is a good amigo and knows his place then nothing will happen.. But yeah, my first thought today was that this was a warning to Contador to slow down.

Do you believe that SKY controls the UCI or that UCI just wants Froome to win?

 

[LaFlorecita]

But if the Kreuziger thing was a set-up to weaken Contador... why would they then have him test positive during the Tour itself? Why not skip step one, thus reducing the risks of the operation?

Of course it is better if Froome beats Contador for real and not just because Contador gets kicked out.

 

[the sceptic]

Do you believe that SKY controls the UCI or that UCI just wants Froome to win?

Call me a conspiracy theorist if you want, but yes I do believe Cookson wants Froome to win. He is british cycling after all, and they want to continue the cycling boom, rather than having a doping amigo winning.

Obviously the entire UCI isnt in a big conspiracy to protect and make sure the horse wins. Someone even got ****ed off enough to leak the TUE to the french newspaper.