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May 19, 2011
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mastersracer said:

you obviously don't know much about Pharm chem. All the links you provided is for R&D use not for commercial use, for example my lab can purchase it to do research to publish paper. Try order 1 gram from the vendor see what happens.

Second, when you purchas from these vendor you get pure form or sometimes dissolved in DMSO, it makes almost impossible to dope directly from these forms. You need to foumularize it (layman term: making it into pills) to take it.

The review you cited is from bodybuiding community, I can't see how it is closely related to endurance sports effects. Educate yourself with Wikipedia, I think it is summarized very good there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GW_501516
 
May 19, 2011
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is this article for real?:D:D:D

Sky concerned that Froome looking “too Rasmussen.”

People watching Sky’s Chris Froome at the Tour de France couldn’t help but notice his emaciated frame. While top climbers are all thin, Froome appeared exceptionally skeletal.

Now it appears that management at Team Sky is concerned that Froome may have become “too Rasmussen.” The reference is to the dangerously skinny frame of Danish climber Michael Rasmussen, known by his nickname the Chicken.

“Obvious, it’s a concern. Chris is terribly thin and the weight issue seems to have become something of an obsession,” said Nigel Hudwink, a former member of Sky’s sports science group. “Rasmussen was a freak and they don’t want Froome headed in that direction.”

According to Hudwink, the team has gone as far as discussing diet with Froome’s girlfriend Michelle Cound. “She is very involved in Chris’ life at the moment and is quite focused on helping Chris get to the highest level,” said Hudwink. “We’ve talked to her about nutritional adjustments. Perhaps a hamburger once a week, that sort of thing.”

Froome has been vocal in stating his aim to win the 2013 Tour de France, having finished second to teammate Bradley Wiggins in this years’ edition. Staying lean has been a priority but nobody wants to see another Rasmussen.

“It’s horrifying, really. Rasmussen always looked like he’d just spent two years in a Nazi concentration camp,” said Hudwink. “Sky is very media savvy and it’s not particularity photogenic to look at a skeleton.”

Some observers have suggested that Froome has flipped the Sky dictum of “marginal gains” and become driven by the idea of marginal losses. “You look at his chest, his arms, his face and you begin to worry,” said Theirry Sourire, a nutritional consultant for several WorldTour teams. “There is a point of no return with weigh loss and the effects are often psychological. Look what happened to Rasmussen. He went crazy.”

Sky is monitoring the Froome weight situation but the team has also been distracted by other events. Thanks to their zero tolerance policy on doping, the team has lost high profile leaders such as Sean Yates, Bobby Julich and Steven de Jongh.


With the Tour de France over eight months away, there is no reason to panic over Froome’s Rasmussen-like behavior. “It’s the off-season. They will sit Chris down and bring him some high calorie, quality fat meals,” said Hudwink. “Brailsford can be quite persuasive. If he tells Chris they won’t want him looking like Rasmussen, then you can be sure we won’t have a second Chicken on our hands.”



http://www.atwistedspoke.com/sky-concerned-froome-looking-too-rasmussen/
 

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maxmartin said:
you obviously don't know much about Pharm chem. All the links you provided is for R&D use not for commercial use, for example my lab can purchase it to do research to publish paper. Try order 1 gram from the vendor see what happens.

Second, when you purchas from these vendor you get pure form or sometimes dissolved in DMSO, it makes almost impossible to dope directly from these forms. You need to foumularize it (layman term: making it into pills) to take it.

The review you cited is from bodybuiding community, I can't see how it is closely related to endurance sports effects. Educate yourself with Wikipedia, I think it is summarized very good there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GW_501516

you obviously don't know about the black/gray market of off label pharma sales. The point about the bodybuilding community is that there are lots of people experimenting with this stuff out there - they get below the body fat levels of pro cyclists for competition. They are buying it from these sorts of vendors. If they can get it, professional athletes can (not just Sky).

I don't need to look at the wikipedia page - I've read the primary literature, including the studies showing it reduced markers related to performance.
 
May 19, 2011
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mastersracer said:
you obviously don't know about the black/gray market of off label pharma sales. The point about the bodybuilding community is that there are lots of people experimenting with this stuff out there - they get below the body fat levels of pro cyclists for competition. They are buying it from these sorts of vendors. If they can get it, professional athletes can (not just Sky).

I don't need to look at the wikipedia page - I've read the primary literature, including the studies showing it reduced markers related to performance.

Primary literature can be very selective, you can choose what you believed to read to reinforce your false belief. While wiki is usually the summary of the whole pic.

And I guess you find it extremely funny for WADA to issue a serious health warning about an ineffective PED that no professionals are using.:D Then keep on dreaming;)
 
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DirtyWorks said:
With the sports federation now in total control of testing and test processing, who will ever find out if they got a positive? Remember, the system is anti-doping controversy, not anti-doping.

The compound has yet to be named a controlled or prohibited substance by any nation's drug enforcement or regulation agency.

An AICAR cocktail with GW-501516 would explain the super-duper weight loss and contradictory sustained power we've seen recently. It's not a crime to take either...
@ Rob Hayles.

maybe throw in a crit 10 day suspension for health reasons to keep the rubes anesthetised
 
Jan 29, 2010
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maxmartin said:
is this article for real?:D:D:D

Sky concerned that Froome looking “too Rasmussen.”

People watching Sky’s Chris Froome at the Tour de France couldn’t help but notice his emaciated frame. While top climbers are all thin, Froome appeared exceptionally skeletal.

Now it appears that management at Team Sky is concerned that Froome may have become “too Rasmussen.” The reference is to the dangerously skinny frame of Danish climber Michael Rasmussen, known by his nickname the Chicken.

“Obvious, it’s a concern. Chris is terribly thin and the weight issue seems to have become something of an obsession,” said Nigel Hudwink, a former member of Sky’s sports science group. “Rasmussen was a freak and they don’t want Froome headed in that direction.”

According to Hudwink, the team has gone as far as discussing diet with Froome’s girlfriend Michelle Cound. “She is very involved in Chris’ life at the moment and is quite focused on helping Chris get to the highest level,” said Hudwink. “We’ve talked to her about nutritional adjustments. Perhaps a hamburger once a week, that sort of thing.”

Froome has been vocal in stating his aim to win the 2013 Tour de France, having finished second to teammate Bradley Wiggins in this years’ edition. Staying lean has been a priority but nobody wants to see another Rasmussen.

“It’s horrifying, really. Rasmussen always looked like he’d just spent two years in a Nazi concentration camp,” said Hudwink. “Sky is very media savvy and it’s not particularity photogenic to look at a skeleton.”

Some observers have suggested that Froome has flipped the Sky dictum of “marginal gains” and become driven by the idea of marginal losses. “You look at his chest, his arms, his face and you begin to worry,” said Theirry Sourire, a nutritional consultant for several WorldTour teams. “There is a point of no return with weigh loss and the effects are often psychological. Look what happened to Rasmussen. He went crazy.”

Sky is monitoring the Froome weight situation but the team has also been distracted by other events. Thanks to their zero tolerance policy on doping, the team has lost high profile leaders such as Sean Yates, Bobby Julich and Steven de Jongh.


With the Tour de France over eight months away, there is no reason to panic over Froome’s Rasmussen-like behavior. “It’s the off-season. They will sit Chris down and bring him some high calorie, quality fat meals,” said Hudwink. “Brailsford can be quite persuasive. If he tells Chris they won’t want him looking like Rasmussen, then you can be sure we won’t have a second Chicken on our hands.”



http://www.atwistedspoke.com/sky-concerned-froome-looking-too-rasmussen/

Well according to Nigel Hudwink ;) the situation is quite serious!
 
Sep 29, 2012
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maxmartin said:
is this article for real?:D:D:D

Sky concerned that Froome looking “too Rasmussen.”

He's shorter than Wiggins and the same weight in last year's Tour, so W.T.F indeedly do.

Clearly not the golden child. Nothing was said about Wiggins last year, or his decline from a healthy 82kg down to 69kg.

Froome has never raced at 82kg that I have seen?
 
Aug 3, 2009
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LaFlorecita said:
Okay thank you, I hope the riders are smart enough to stay away from this from now on

Do not ever believe that. Most of them (and I do not want to offend them) are not that well educated, because most of their lives when people get educated, in our teens, twenties, they do actually train to get where they are today. They also trust their entourage (DS/agent/....) a lot. So if they tell him to take it, that it is safe, they will do, no questions asked.

Regarding the opening question, I will believe that the field will level out through the season, because the other (esp the well funded ones) will catch up with whatever goes on on the black train and do the same thing.
 

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maxmartin said:
Primary literature can be very selective, you can choose what you believed to read to reinforce your false belief. While wiki is usually the summary of the whole pic.

And I guess you find it extremely funny for WADA to issue a serious health warning about an ineffective PED that no professionals are using.:D Then keep on dreaming;)

first, stop distorting what I wrote. I didn't say it was funny. In fact, I mentioned the link to pancreatic cancer (more generally the concern re angiogenesis and cancer).

Second, the entire premise of your thread is simply trolling - there is 0 reason to believe this would be a drug only Sky has access to. This drug is widely circulated among the gray/black market users. Singling out Sky in this way just reveals the extraordinarily irrational hatred some people here have for Sky and their need to find some rationalization for their emotions.

Third, it would be a stupid drug to take considering there is 0 evidence it would increase performance in elite athletes and there is already a peer-reviewed validated test for it and one would be exposed to the risk of retroactive testing.
 
May 19, 2011
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Roude Leiw said:
Do not ever believe that. Most of them (and I do not want to offend them) are not that well educated, because most of their lives when people get educated, in our teens, twenties, they do actually train to get where they are today. They also trust their entourage (DS/agent/....) a lot. So if they tell him to take it, that it is safe, they will do, no questions asked.

Regarding the opening question, I will believe that the field will level out through the season, because the other (esp the well funded ones) will catch up with whatever goes on on the black train and do the same thing.

It does not seem they are catching up :D
 
May 19, 2011
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SeriousSam said:
What's the epo era? 90s-now?

SKY may or may not on EPO, like another thread mentioned there are three type speed, clean riders, dopers and SKY riders.
 
Aug 5, 2012
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harchibald said:
I want to see Porte win the Vuelta. That would be hilarious.

I want to see Porte be super dom for Wiggins in the Giro, Dawg in the Tour and then win the Vuelta.
 
May 19, 2011
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Cyivel said:
I want to see Porte be super dom for Wiggins in the Giro, Dawg in the Tour and then win the Vuelta.

Porte probably will skip Giro, ride Tour and Vuelta, maybe he can win the World title
 
Apr 3, 2011
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Yet another poll idea: do you expect SKY performance drop once retroactive continuous sample retesting (with consequences) is announced?

Though even this is not the ultimate solution as it does not cover blood doping or stuff that can be disintegrated below detectable limits.
 
May 19, 2011
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Is today the beginning of downward trend of SKY ? Are other teams finally catching up? I always though if any team can do it , it would be Movie, Saxo or Astana
 

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