World Championships Innsbruck 2018

[Zinoviev Letter]

Re:

If there is no radio, how will the rider know which riders on the break?
Does it mean that someone has to drop back just to ask the DS what are the composition of the break

Knowing who was up the road and what that meant for everyone’s interests used to be a valued skill in the peloton. Alert and intelligent riders had an advantage and everyone wanted to be their buddy. Stephen Roche was famous in his era as a guy who seemed to always know what the race situation was. Among the retired pros, it’s usually the guys like that who hate radios the most. They think they help the stupid.

 

[More Strides than Rides]

Sometimes specifics matter, but you can get away with generalities. Seeing a Polish jersey ride off in the break means you look around the peloton for Kwiatkoski. Talk in the peloton that France has a man in the break means you just have to look for Alaphillipe and do the arithmetic.

When specifics do matter, the group is small enough and everyone knows everyone else anyway.

 

[Asero831]

Re:

Sometimes specifics matter, but you can get away with generalities. Seeing a Polish jersey ride off in the break means you look around the peloton for Kwiatkoski. Talk in the peloton that France has a man in the break means you just have to look for Alaphillipe and do the arithmetic.

When specifics do matter, the group is small enough and everyone knows everyone else anyway.

Everyone looking around with 180 riders at a 40kph speed is a recipe for a major crash.

 

[del1962]

With a circuit someone on side of road can give info

 

[Asero831]

Re:

Can a power meter/race gadgets also relay info on who are in the breakaway and team tactics from the DS?

 

[Finn84]

Has WC race been without radios for some years or was it re-introduced after being banned? I remember hearing that when Hushovd won the race had no radios.

 

[Laplaz]

Austria's longlist for the road race:
Stefan Denifl, Michael Gogl, Felix Großschartner, Patrick Konrad, Gregor Mühlberger, Hermann Pernsteiner, Lukas Pöstlberger, Georg Preidler and Riccardo Zoidl.

Should surely be their best national team ever.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Re:

Austria's longlist for the road race:
Stefan Denifl, Michael Gogl, Felix Großschartner, Patrick Konrad, Gregor Mühlberger, Hermann Pernsteiner, Lukas Pöstlberger, Georg Preidler and Riccardo Zoidl.

Should surely be their best national team ever.

How many spots for them?

 

[LaFlorecita]

Are there no earpieces or no radio communication to team car/teammates. Race radio could relay info sporadically like time gaps, crashes, hazards up ahead and bib numbers in the breakaway.

 

[WKA311]

Re: Re:

Austria's longlist for the road race:
Stefan Denifl, Michael Gogl, Felix Großschartner, Patrick Konrad, Gregor Mühlberger, Hermann Pernsteiner, Lukas Pöstlberger, Georg Preidler and Riccardo Zoidl.

Should surely be their best national team ever.

How many spots for them?

6. I'd take Denifl, Gogl, Großschartner, Konrad, Mühlberger and Preidler. A bit low on flat domestiques like Pöstlberger but Gogl could do the job with all of the others being solid or good climbers.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Re: Re:

Austria's longlist for the road race:
Stefan Denifl, Michael Gogl, Felix Großschartner, Patrick Konrad, Gregor Mühlberger, Hermann Pernsteiner, Lukas Pöstlberger, Georg Preidler and Riccardo Zoidl.

Should surely be their best national team ever.

How many spots for them?

6. I'd take Denifl, Gogl, Großschartner, Konrad, Mühlberger and Preidler. A bit low on flat domestiques like Pöstlberger but Gogl could do the job with all of the others being solid or good climbers.

In that case I'd take Pernsteiner instead of Denifl who has shown nothing this year. Agree on Pöstlberger/Gogl.

 

[Gigs_98]

Re: Re:

Austria's longlist for the road race:
Stefan Denifl, Michael Gogl, Felix Großschartner, Patrick Konrad, Gregor Mühlberger, Hermann Pernsteiner, Lukas Pöstlberger, Georg Preidler and Riccardo Zoidl.

Should surely be their best national team ever.

How many spots for them?

6. I'd take Denifl, Gogl, Großschartner, Konrad, Mühlberger and Preidler. A bit low on flat domestiques like Pöstlberger but Gogl could do the job with all of the others being solid or good climbers.

In that case I'd take Pernsteiner instead of Denifl who has shown nothing this year. Agree on Pöstlberger/Gogl.

Denifl was injured early this year, basically only started his season in may and just before his main goal of the season, the österreichrundfahrt he got injured again. He has returned to racing already so he would be fit for the worlds but it's just logical that he hasn't really shown anything this year. If he shows any shape in whatever race he does next month I'd take him to the worlds as he is probably austrias best pure climber. I would also bring pernsteiner though as he has looked good this year and showed some one day racing potential by winning the gran premio Lugano. Pernsteiner instead of grossschartner and pöstlberger instead of gogl is what I'd do

Edit: or do you maybe just not like denifl for some reason

 

[Beobachter]

Re: Re:

Austria's longlist for the road race:
Stefan Denifl, Michael Gogl, Felix Großschartner, Patrick Konrad, Gregor Mühlberger, Hermann Pernsteiner, Lukas Pöstlberger, Georg Preidler and Riccardo Zoidl.

Should surely be their best national team ever.

How many spots for them?

6. I'd take Denifl, Gogl, Großschartner, Konrad, Mühlberger and Preidler. A bit low on flat domestiques like Pöstlberger but Gogl could do the job with all of the others being solid or good climbers.

In that case I'd take Pernsteiner instead of Denifl who has shown nothing this year. Agree on Pöstlberger/Gogl.

Denifl was injured early this year, basically only started his season in may and just before his main goal of the season, the österreichrundfahrt he got injured again. He has returned to racing already so he would be fit for the worlds but it's just logical that he hasn't really shown anything this year. If he shows any shape in whatever race he does next month I'd take him to the worlds as he is probably austrias best pure climber. I would also bring pernsteiner though as he has looked good this year and showed some one day racing potential by winning the gran premio Lugano. Pernsteiner instead of grossschartner and pöstlberger instead of gogl is what I'd do

Edit: or do you maybe just not like denifl for some reason

Taking Denifl would just be a joke (and an insult for every other rider that would be left out). Even if somehow he can get some better shape in the next couple of weeks, he should be selected if and only if one of the mountains guy is completely out of shape (or has some troubles in its preparation, which unfortunately could be the case for Grossschartner for example that was sick).

Konrad and Pernsteiner should be leading the team. Preidler and Mühlberger cannot not be here. If Grossschartner is fine, he completely has his spot too.
5 spots are obvious.
The last one is more debatable. I would indeed take one guy to be only teammate and for the first half of the race, so either Gogl or Pöstlberger (would prefer the first even though I like them both). If the tactics is full on the offensive, then Zoidl would be a good pick.
Of all, Denifl should be the last choice. And by far

 

[Kwibus]

Re: Re:

Sometimes specifics matter, but you can get away with generalities. Seeing a Polish jersey ride off in the break means you look around the peloton for Kwiatkoski. Talk in the peloton that France has a man in the break means you just have to look for Alaphillipe and do the arithmetic.

When specifics do matter, the group is small enough and everyone knows everyone else anyway.

Everyone looking around with 180 riders at a 40kph speed is a recipe for a major crash.

For centuries it wasnt a problem.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Re: Re:

Denifl was injured early this year, basically only started his season in may and just before his main goal of the season, the österreichrundfahrt he got injured again. He has returned to racing already so he would be fit for the worlds but it's just logical that he hasn't really shown anything this year. If he shows any shape in whatever race he does next month I'd take him to the worlds as he is probably austrias best pure climber. I would also bring pernsteiner though as he has looked good this year and showed some one day racing potential by winning the gran premio Lugano. Pernsteiner instead of grossschartner and pöstlberger instead of gogl is what I'd do

Edit: or do you maybe just not like denifl for some reason

I didn't know he'd been injured. That explains his poor season (at least partially). However, the point still stands. He hasn't shown anything, and unless he suddenly shows great form in the coming weeks, it would be silly to bring him just on the basis that he normally is a good climber.

 

[Escarabajo]

Re:

If there is no radio, how will the rider know which riders on the break?
Does it mean that someone has to drop back just to ask the DS what are the composition of the break

The same way they used to do in the past.

 

[Escarabajo]

Re: Re:

Sometimes specifics matter, but you can get away with generalities. Seeing a Polish jersey ride off in the break means you look around the peloton for Kwiatkoski. Talk in the peloton that France has a man in the break means you just have to look for Alaphillipe and do the arithmetic.

When specifics do matter, the group is small enough and everyone knows everyone else anyway.

Everyone looking around with 180 riders at a 40kph speed is a recipe for a major crash.

Motos will give you the information!
You will have a list in your pocket.

 

[42x16ss]

Australian team announced:

https://www.sbs.com.au/cyclingcentral/article/2018/08/15/spratt-and-porte-headline-australia-team-road-worlds

No women for the TT, no Monk (U23 national champ), no Malseed (women’s national champ).

Cycling Australia seems to hate the sport.

 

[Bardamu]

I guess Matthews will be doing the TTT. They should've included him as well in the Australian team, until the last climb he could be of good use.

 

[Vesica]

I guess Matthews will be doing the TTT. They should've included him as well in the Australian team, until the last climb he could be of good use.

Exactly my thoughts, I would always taken Matthews. He's a far better climber than many people think.

 

[Tim Booth]

FRANCE
http://www.directvelo.com/actualite/68566/championnat-du-monde-la-preselection-francaise-pour-innsbruck

 

[DNP-Old]

FRANCE
http://www.directvelo.com/actualite/68566/championnat-du-monde-la-preselection-francaise-pour-innsbruck

So Gaudu goes to the U23s.

 

[greenedge]

Hopefully Haig gets a Plan B role, I think with the course he's really suited to it. Australia does not have many threats to win from a breakaway either, which is where a rider like Matthews would have been good (for the last 70 km attacks) to relieve the pressure behind.

 

[Tim Booth]

So Gaudu goes to the U23s.

any source for that assumption?

 

[Beobachter]

So Gaudu goes to the U23s.

any source for that assumption?

It's not an assumption. It has always been planned like that. And de facto it's confirmed by the absence of Gaudu in the Elite list released this morning