World Championships Innsbruck 2018

[Tim Booth]

It's not an assumption. It has always been planned like that. And de facto it's confirmed by the absence of Gaudu in the Elite list released this morning

Your name is absent in the Elite list this morning. And de facto, does that confirm you are riding?

 

[Alexandre B.]

FRANCE
http://www.directvelo.com/actualite/68566/championnat-du-monde-la-preselection-francaise-pour-innsbruck

Contre-la-montre
Alexis GOUGEARD (AG2R La Mondiale)
Yoann PAILLOT (St-Michel-Auber 93)

Course en ligne
Julian ALAPHILIPPE (Quick-Step Floors)
Warren BARGUIL (Fortuneo-Samsic)
Romain BARDET (AG2R La Mondiale)
Lilian CALMEJANE (Direct Energie)
Kenny ELISSONDE (Team Sky)
Tony GALLOPIN (AG2R La Mondiale)
Cyril GAUTIER (AG2R La Mondiale)
Guillaume MARTIN (Wanty-Groupe Gobert)
Rudy MOLARD (Groupama-FDJ)
Anthony PEREZ (Cofidis)
Thibaut PINOT (Groupama-FDJ)
Pierre ROLLAND (Team Education First-Drapac p/b Cannondale)
Anthony ROUX (Groupama-FDJ)

Another year without a medal would be a disappointment.

 

[elfed68]

Froome and GT to skip La Vuelta and do ToB.
Does this indicate that both are going for a WC win in both disciplines?

 

[Beobachter]

It's not an assumption. It has always been planned like that. And de facto it's confirmed by the absence of Gaudu in the Elite list released this morning

Your name is absent in the Elite list this morning. And de facto, does that confirm you are riding?

Gaudu was supposed to lead the French U23 team. But possibly, Guimard could have wanted him to ride with the Elites if he would have estimated Gaudu was needed. Which is not the cas, as proven by the released list.
A selection with the Elites was the only possibility NOT to have Gaudu riding at the U23 championship.
That was the whole point of DNP...

 

[Tim Booth]

Gaudu was supposed to lead the French U23 team.

I believe that that is true. But without a source (which you seem unable to supply) that belief is still an assumtion

 

[Beobachter]

Gaudu was supposed to lead the French U23 team.

I believe that that is true. But without a source (which you seem unable to supply) that belief is still an assumtion

I'm gonna try a last time here.
There were two options here: either Gauda goes to Innsbruck with the U23, or he goes there with the Elites. Since it has been made OFFICIAL this morning he won't be going with the Elites, de facto there is only one option left:Gaudu going with the U23. The confirmation of his presence with the U23 has been de facto delivered this morning officially. The source is the release of this morning, nothing less, nothing more. Don't you think an official selection is little bit more of a blank assumption based on wild guesses ?

 

[can3478]

From the FFC press release https://www.ffc.fr/actualite/route-equipe-de-france-championnat-du-monde-innsbruck-elite-hommes-pre-selection-cyrille-guimard-la-selection-definitive/

Reading through Cyrille Guimard’s words, I have a feeling that he will choose either Thibault Pinot or Romain Bardet(both are pure climbers) to lead the French team. I think Alaphilippe will be on the team as a support rider, the same status when he was at Rio Olympics.

 

[Tim Booth]

I'm gonna try a last time here.
There were two options here: either Gauda goes to Innsbruck with the U23, or he goes there with the Elites. Since it has been made OFFICIAL this morning he won't be going with the Elites, de facto there is only one option left:Gaudu going with the U23. The confirmation of his presence with the U23 has been de facto delivered this morning officially. The source is the release of this morning, nothing less, nothing more. Don't you think an official selection is little bit more of a blank assumption based on wild guesses ?

Same here.
You could try the third option - he does not go to Innsbruck at all!
Or had you not thought of that

 

[Rollthedice]

8 riders - Italy, Belgium, France, GB, Netherlands, Colombia, Australia, Denmark, Slovenia

6 riders - Germany, Norway, Slovakia, Poland Switzerland, Ireland, Czech Rep, Russia, Austria, Luxembourg

4 riders - Portugal, USA, SA, New Zealand, Canada, Kazakhstan, Ecuador, Lettonia, Bielorussia, Estonia

1 rider for the rest.

 

[Breh]

I suppose Spain has 8 riders.

 

[tobydawq]

Re:

I suppose Spain has 8 riders.

Not just one as the post says?

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

6 is more riders than Ireland has in the pro ranks who are at all suited to the course. There are four Irish climbers. After them, the next best climber is probably Sam Bennett, a sprinter, or Conor Dunne, the tallest rider in the pro peloton. If all of Roche, Deignan and Dunbar are available and in decent form, Martin should have competent support though.

 

[Koronin]

Re: Re:

I suppose Spain has 8 riders.

Not just one as the post says?

Yes Spain should have 8. The question is who is the National coach going to take to support Valverde.

 

[42x16ss]

Re:

Hopefully Haig gets a Plan B role, I think with the course he's really suited to it. Australia does not have many threats to win from a breakaway either, which is where a rider like Matthews would have been good (for the last 70 km attacks) to relieve the pressure behind.

Haig will be plan b, they’re idiots if he’s not.

 

[Max Rockatansky]

Re: Re:

I suppose Spain has 8 riders.

Not just one as the post says?

Yes Spain should have 8. The question is who is the National coach going to take to support Alarcon.

I corrected it for you.

I'm really happy for Austria. They earned those six starters for their worlds. Great job.

 

[krakenKE]

Slovakia can bring 7 riders because Sagan has an extra spot as defending champion. This does not change much though.

 

[Asero831]

What will happened to the lapped riders?
I had this strategy in PCM that I intentionally get some of my domestiques to get lapped and work for my team leader in the descend 2-3 kilometers.

That is like having another rider in the breakaway but this time they are fully rested.

 

[movingtarget]

Re:

What will happened to the lapped riders?
I had this strategy in PCM that I intentionally get some of my domestiques to get lapped and work for my team leader in the descend 2-3 kilometers.

That is like having another rider in the breakaway but this time they are fully rested.

I thought lapped riders have to pull out ?

 

[tomorrow]

Re:

Slovakia can bring 7 riders because Sagan has an extra spot as defending champion. This does not change much though.

Well, with this terrain, even 7 Sagans would not be enough for us. Only something like GvA win in Rio could get him the win, and for they he doesn't need teammates apart some flat in the earlier phases, however he's probably quicker in catching the peloton alone either way.

However, I only think I hope for is that Sagan will somehow make the show and animate the race in the mid phases. It would have impact both on watchability of the TV coverage and also it could reasonably affect the finale, in which he won't be taking part either way. Anything more from him would be just out of the earth.
However, if he just rides to get dropped eventually, then it's just wasted money on the whole Slovak "cycling holiday" in Austria .

 

[shalgo]

Re: Re:

What will happened to the lapped riders?
I had this strategy in PCM that I intentionally get some of my domestiques to get lapped and work for my team leader in the descend 2-3 kilometers.

That is like having another rider in the breakaway but this time they are fully rested.

I thought lapped riders have to pull out ?

Yes:

"2.3.039 . . . At the world championships and at the Olympic Games, any rider who is dropped and
lapped by the lead riders before they start their final lap shall be eliminated and must
leave the race. All other riders shall be classified in accordance with their position."

http://www.uci.ch/mm/Document/News/Rulesandregulation/18/23/94/2-ROA-20180701-E_English.pdf

In Geelong back in 2010, the breakaway was given such a large lead that it briefly looked as though the peloton might be lapped before it entered the circuit.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Re: Re:

What will happened to the lapped riders?
I had this strategy in PCM that I intentionally get some of my domestiques to get lapped and work for my team leader in the descend 2-3 kilometers.

That is like having another rider in the breakaway but this time they are fully rested.

I thought lapped riders have to pull out ?

Yes:

"2.3.039 . . . At the world championships and at the Olympic Games, any rider who is dropped and
lapped by the lead riders before they start their final lap shall be eliminated and must
leave the race. All other riders shall be classified in accordance with their position."

http://www.uci.ch/mm/Document/News/Rulesandregulation/18/23/94/2-ROA-20180701-E_English.pdf

In Geelong back in 2010, the breakaway was given such a large lead that it briefly looked as though the peloton might be lapped before it entered the circuit.

Evenepoel lapped the peloton in the Junior Euro's last month, iirc. Only a few dozen riders were allowed to finish.

 

[Alexandre B.]

Cyrille Guimard named the four first riders that will take part in the road race:

Julian Alaphilippe (leader - attacking rider)
Romain Bardet (leader - attacking rider)
Tony Gallopin (teammate - defensive rider)
Anthony Roux (teammate - defensive rider)

 

[huge]

Re:

What will happened to the lapped riders?
I had this strategy in PCM that I intentionally get some of my domestiques to get lapped and work for my team leader in the descend 2-3 kilometers.

That is like having another rider in the breakaway but this time they are fully rested.

It is obvious that it is absolutely forbidden. That's cheating, nothing else.

 

[Rollthedice]

Re:

Cyrille Guimard named the four first riders that will take part in the road race:

Julian Alaphilippe (leader - attacking rider)
Romain Bardet (leader - attacking rider)
Tony Gallopin (teammate - defensive rider)
Anthony Roux (teammate - defensive rider)

All they need now is a few midfielders and a good goalkeeper.

 

[Alexandre B.]

Re: Re:

Cyrille Guimard named the four first riders that will take part in the road race:

Julian Alaphilippe (leader - attacking rider)
Romain Bardet (leader - attacking rider)
Tony Gallopin (teammate - defensive rider)
Anthony Roux (teammate - defensive rider)

All they need now is a few midfielders and a good goalkeeper.