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I have no answers, am just thinking objectively about things and have read good sources.


If one were so concerned with global politics and the machinations of industry, and had so much to say and wanted to share their vision with the world, well, that person would become a candidate for public office and change the fukcing world.


On the other hand, if one wanted to debate global politics and the machinations of industry ad nauseam with fellow cycling aficionados, well, that person would naturally come here.


It's perfectly logical.


As you were.
 

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""The policy that Dodd in particular has been making has been skewed toward the corporations getting away with murder. Dodd's personal gains from his corruption should be prosecuted in reference to that sweetheart Countrywide mortgage.
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Dodd in particular? Dodd doesn't even get mentioned in the top 10 of that Phil&Wendy Gramm invented mess. A countrywide loan with gratuitous terms? that's too cheap to mention. The real payouts are in cayman banks held by Republicans.

Oh, I completely agree with you that Dodd is nothing compared to the Republicans. But, he is derelict in his duty and did get a taste himself. I expect Democrats to be honest. The Republicans OTOH....
 

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Scott SoCal said:
Intentional blurring? I'm probably not smart enough for something like that. Just ask Rhub.

My position on regulations has not shifted. I don't feel the need to defend myself so I'm not going to.

BP violates their own safety procedures. How will tighter/stricter regulations keep that from happening? Nevermind, don't reply to that question.

I think one could point to several poor decisions made by the Supremes since at least the Slaughterhouse cases and that goes back nearly 140 years. The Supremes bowing to public and political sentiment has been around for a long time.

At any rate, I have wasted way too much time in here.

Intentional blurring of what?

What is your position on regulation? The Republican position has been deregulation.

Most of the poor SCOTUS decisions have been conservative biased. Name one poor decision that is progressive.

The SCOTUS is not supposed to be politicized at all btw.

GHWB made that mistake with Souter. He was judicially conservative, not politically. There's a difference.
 
tifosa said:
If one were so concerned with global politics and the machinations of industry, and had so much to say and wanted to share their vision with the world, well, that person would become a candidate for public office and change the fukcing world.


On the other hand, if one wanted to debate global politics and the machinations of industry ad nauseam with fellow cycling aficionados, well, that person would naturally come here.


It's perfectly logical.


As you were.

Oh but that person wouldn't change the world, my dear tifosa, because this world would be totally against that person, would do everything to first discredit that persen, then remove all political and financial support from that person, and so finally eliminate that person.

For any such person that tried to stand-up tall against their interests, which is our world, would no sooner find himself or herself six feet under as they say. Even Scott SoCal is aware of this.
 

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tifosa said:
If one were so concerned with global politics and the machinations of industry, and had so much to say and wanted to share their vision with the world, well, that person would become a candidate for public office and change the fukcing world.


On the other hand, if one wanted to debate global politics and the machinations of industry ad nauseam with fellow cycling aficionados, well, that person would naturally come here.


It's perfectly logical.


As you were.

The latest change agent was Obama.

A lot of people did their part for "Change we can believe in."

Looks like business as usual.

Now it's up to me.

PM me if you're on board.:)
 
Buffalo Soldier said:
Nothing to say about what happened in Israel? Or isn't that an issue in the US?

David Grossmen, one of the most progressive Israeli intellectuals, wrote a nice editorial in la Repubblica yesterday denouncing his nation's irrational and counter-productive actions and, let us say, fascist way of handling the problem. The Turks were once allies with the Jewish state, though this will be placed in grave jeopardy now. Whereas the arabs and Iran have another excuse to wish Israel harm. Sure the Turks organized a "false" pacifist mission to Gaza to test Israel's resolution on keeping the Gaza Strip coast closed, however the idiocy of actually firing upon the fleet goes beyond all reason.

The US doesn't permit criticism of Israel because of the strong jewish financial lobby and because of the strategic worth the Israeli state has for US mideast interests.

Until the Palestinians have their own state and Israeli arogance in the territory is checked, however, justice will never be served and hence organizations like Hamas and Hezbolah will have every raison d'etre. By contrast in seeing justice served such organizations quickly loose their vitality, which should be everyone's interest including Israel's and the US'.

PS. Indeed the Turkish prime minister Erdogan has made it officially known that his nation's alliance with Israel is now over. Israel has just lost its best friend in the region.

Israel if it had an intelligent political class running the nation, and not the fascist one currently in power, would have provided a military escort to the pacifists to ensure that the Palestinian relief aid reached the Gaza Strip. Its shooting at and killing of some of the pacifists was a colossal stupidity which not only has ended its much needed alliance with Turkey, but may see the pronouncment of another intifada. Even the Israeli dailes Haaretz, Yedioth Ahronot and the Jerusalem Post recognized that nothing good will come of this. Israel needs to understand that this isn't the way to conduct a war. All the illegal cisgordanian colonies need to be disbanned according to the UN stipulations (without, of course, US support), the water taken form the Palestinians, in a zone where water is a serious issue, to supply the illegal Israeli colonial homes needs to be given back and the Palestinians need to be given their autonomy and recognition as a bona fide state, which also means resolving the Jerusalem question by having the Palestinians being given their fair stake.

Only when all of these dilemmas are resolved will there be any hope of lasting peace in a region that has a population of about 6 million people, though for which the entire world is oppressed with the eternal threat of war. It is madness. But for this to take place Israel will need to rethink itself, the Palestinians and Syrians repressing Hamas and Hezbolah, though it is the former's intransigence and crimes against the arabs that has given life to the latter organizations. And America should come on board with the rest of the UN in holding Israel accountable for its crimes and not just denounce the Palestinian liberation movements as it has always done and begin to see, with Israeli actions like this, that Israel becomes more of a burden than an asset.
 
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But, he is derelict in his duty and did get a taste himself. I expect Democrats to be honest. The Republicans OTOH....
You expect the Democrats to be honest? To do what?
Oh, I completely agree with you that Dodd is nothing compared to the Republicans.
Well, he did help secure $4 trillion for his buddies in the banking industry. Or is it $23 trillion? Much of it to be paid for by future taxpayers. But of course there was also the $75 billion in TARP money. You know, the money that's allocated to helping home owners keep their homes? What a great success that has been in directly helping people who need it the most, a whopping less than 1% of those who would reportedly qualify have gotten it.

Good post on the Israeli blocade there Rhubroma.
 
Alpe d'Huez said:
Good post on the Israeli blocade there Rhubroma.

This is what is meant by objective thinking and the freedom to say what absolutely needs to be said for quite some time now, though I fear isn't being said in the US dailies, because one isn't allowed to say it, I thought. Though we may say it here.

Correct me if I'm wrong. That is, I hope I'm wrong.
 
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Yes, especially what you wrote right here:

Israel if it had an intelligent political class running the nation, and not the fascist one currently in power, would have provided a military escort to the pacifists to ensure that the Palestinian relief aid reached the Gaza Strip. Its shooting at and killing of some of the pacifists was a colossal stupidity which not only has ended its much needed alliance with Turkey, but may see the pronouncement of another intifada. Even the Israeli dailes Haaretz, Yedioth Ahronot and the Jerusalem Post recognized that nothing good will come of this

That just about sums it up. But the United States is so tied to Israel, or should I say the Israeli government, and has it's hands is so many cookie jars in the Middle East in our 21st century neoconservative imperialism, we have little choice other than to continue what we've been doing.

It's sad really.
 
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Alpe d'Huez said:
Yes, especially what you wrote right here:



That just about sums it up. But the United States is so tied to Israel, or should I say the Israeli government, and has it's hands is so many cookie jars in the Middle East in our 21st century neoconservative imperialism, we have little choice other than to continue what we've been doing.

It's sad really.

Why do you say that, Alpe? Ie, Why do you think there is little choice other than to continue as is?
 
Spare Tyre said:
Why do you say that, Alpe? Ie, Why do you think there is little choice other than to continue as is?

Well of course there are other choices. The problem is finding the political courage and will to make them. This is naturally because of the influence Israel has on the US mideast policies and thus that of the jewish financial lobby upon the Washington politicians. And what we have heard from Obama only reinforces these realities.

Obama was so terrified to not seem pro-arab before the republican opposition, always the staunchest supporters of the Israeli state, that he immediately played down any criminal accusations in regards to Israel, which of course only infurated the Turks (to say nothing of the Arabs) who the US absolutely relies upon as a staging platform for its military actions in the region (not that this, therefore, is an entirely bad thing).

One of the greatest misconceptions in the US is that Israel is merely the victom of arab aggression, when just to the contrary is more often true in the sense that that land had belonged to the arabs since the VII century AD, (and before the arabs to the Byzantines and, before them, it was under Roman control). The other falacy is that if one critisizes Israel for its misdeads one is being anti-semetic. This is, though, a base propagandistic fabrication to "justify" Israel in whatever it does and so placing it beyond reproach, through laying on a sense of Western guilt for its past crimes against the jews that culminated in the horror of the Nazi holocaust. This is pretty much what you get in the American take on things. Naturally the arabs see things differently. The Palestinians have thus been made to bear all the brunt for Western crimes, by having seen Israel established in their land (without, of course, even having been considered worthy enough to be recognized internationally with their own state). Such injustice is all the more abhorant, because perpetrated by a Western civilization which proclaims itself as a beacon of human and civil rights and now has even seen the US establish the insane doctrine of preventative war to "export democracy" to the Middle East. All of which is of course pure hypocrisy and most inconvenient for any lasting peace in the region which the whole world needs. I'm not supporting Arab terrorism, though do feel that it must be said that military actions like this last one by Israel are no less heinous than terrorist strikes and indeed are a form of Israeli state terrorism. That is if we are to look at things objectively and not in light of the propaganda.

The West found it necessary to give the jews back their biblical (this is important to remember) state following the disaster of WWII evidently to save face, without ever having considered the history in that region over the last 2000 years and, consequently, without any regard for the arabs who had already been living there for centuries. At the same time the West gave itself the support it was looking for in the region by its new Israel based reorganization of the mideast in the post-colonial period, which makes some of its reasoning purely calculated to best accomodate its interests in the region's oil. This was thus not without its cynicism and therefore not merely based on helping the jews. It was as if, however, the arabs' history and ties to the region counted for nothing, but only that which was in connection with the jews even with all the strategic motivations. And this is where all the problems began, because the people in the mighty West at the time weren't thinking objectively. The historical basis for the Jewish State was thus in 1948 built upon the most flimsy (and superstitious, because biblical) of grounds. The damage, though, has already been done and it would be pointless to re-question the legitimacy of Israel. However what has made matters worse, is that in all the time since 48, the so called Palestinian question has never been resolved, which is naturally reprehensible and this largely because of Israeli intransigence in insisting that it has legal claim to all the former biblical land (even if international law has said that it does not). An Israeli intransigence supported 100% by America. If the Arabs in the region have found reason to hate Israel, America and the West in general, the Palestinian question remains a primary reason. It is the arrogant and hypocritcal way in which Israel and the US have organized the territory following the operative command to always recognize the rights of Israel, without ever feeling the need to recognize the Palestinian rights and so always condemning the latter's crimes against Israel without really considering seriously Israel's crimes against them. This has only added insult to injury from the Arab perspective.

Now it has been argued that the arabs have always been against the Jewish state. But how were they supposed to have reacted? Welcome them with open arms? How about if the Americans decided to go beyond their recognized borders and take away some of Mexico keeping it for themselves, against UN international regulations? Or if Germany were to occupy Poland once again? But even worse, when doing so, not even recognizing the Mexicans in terms of their state, or the Poles in terms of their national status, as the Palestinians have been treated by Israel and the West since the very beginning.

So, yes, there are other possiblities which are much preferable to those that have been implemented so far. The real problem is that the arabs themselves have gone way beyond the point of making "friendly" concesions in arriving at a peacable agreement, if they had ever been disposed to do so (though again it was only quite naturally that they would not have been), whereas Israel has become ever more fascist in terms of the political class now leading it and no longer has one with the foresight and wisdom such as a Rabin at the helm to enable it to conceed to the arabs that part they are owed, but which is long overdue. This has only made worse a terrible situation from the beginning. Consequently the pitiful mismanagment, injustice and hypocrisy of the entire affair has made coming to terms quite impossible now, and we don't even get much encouragement that a new stance is being taken from the Obama administration. Which is all very much a shame. To make matters even worse Iran has come over to the arab terrorist cause, whereas had America let the Iranian progressive political processes take their natural course when it had a chance in Mousadeq, instead of assassinating him, perhaps the Islamic revolution wouldn't have come about the way it did and so we would not have the terrible Iranian islamic fundamentalists in power we do now. Certainly Israel would today have been all the better off for it too. Whereas the Israeli terrorism we witnessed the other day has also cost the jewish state a much needed ally in Turkey.

Intransigence, especially when accompanied by grave injustices, gets you nowhere within the political arena. I would hope that the both jews and arabs find their peace and equilibrium in such a troubled land. But to help the jews (and arabs) arrive at the desired outcome, then Israel needs to be given less consideration than it has always enjoyed from the West, and especially the US, and be pressured into giving the arabs that which is justly coming to them. To do anything less is not being a real friend of Israel.
 
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rhubarb, you have proven that a fukd up clock is right twice a day with this post. I'm anxiously awaiting the second light bulb to light up in your head.
 
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ChrisE said:
rhubarb, you have proven that a fukd up clock is right twice a day with this post. I'm anxiously awaiting the second light bulb to light up in your head.

Chris, great to see you're back:rolleyes: Clever ripost notwithstanding a lot of what rhubar.....I mean rhubroma wrote there is true. I have often thought that we should have given the Israelis the southeastern third of Texas. Hell the climate is similar and nobody there would have the industry or intelligence to fight back as ruthlessly as the arabs have, also this whole latest fiasco down there would have been someone else's headache.
Seriously though good to see you back, I missed having someone of inferior intelligence to joust with.:D

Edit; Hah, well that didn't take long, see ya later. :)
 
ChrisE said:
rhubarb, you have proven that a fukd up clock is right twice a day with this post. I'm anxiously awaiting the second light bulb to light up in your head.

Yea, well I knew I'd have provoked such a response from one as short-sighted as yourself. Unless I have misinterpreted your sybilline phrase. If such is the case, then don't associate what I'm about to say directly with you. Just all the other blockheads. If, on the other hand, such is the case, then you are still the blockhead that I have always considered you to be.

Knowing history is such a great burdon to bear, when dealing with a world of ignorance and absolute stupidity. Whereas being fair and honest together, are extremely rare among men. You know, what I call objective thinkers. Those who are will no sooner be cast as radicals and liars and crazed lunatics by the general masses who have had their minds manipulated by the propaganda, which of course they can't recognize as such because blockheads.

The real irony is that because such views are so unpopular in America, though not Europe, people who express them are seen by the idiots as "terrorist suporters," though nothing could be further from the truth. Indeed the intransigence of the idiots to always side with the Israeli state and view the Palestinians as low-lifes only fuels arab terrorism.

My thoughts, and those of many on the Continent, are to propose a real sollution for the Palestinians, by treating them on the same basis (with identical national rights and human dignity) as the Israelis. This to me seems a more effective way to contain groups like Hamas and Hezbolah, then firing upon a first-aid mission, or diverting water from an already depressed people, or occupying their land illegally and only getting away with it because you have Big Brother America always on your side.

PS: By the way none of this is a Jewish thing, as the idiots like to claim, but merely against the criminal behavior of a nation that happens to be called Israel. A nation which, for better or worse, exists: and so has every right to continue to. Though not for this right, is all the suffering of the Palestinians to be automatically excused as it too frequently is done in the US. Again, what's fair is fair. Only the idiots and blockheads can't see that.
 
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To interfere in any way concerning Israeli violence against Palestinians or to protest warfare in the middle east in general is delaying the second coming of Jesus. This is what American right wing Republicans stand for.
 

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Alpe d'Huez said:
You expect the Democrats to be honest? To do what?

To protect and defend the Constitution of the United States which is our social contract.


Alpe d'Huez said:
Well, he did help secure $4 trillion for his buddies in the banking industry. Or is it $23 trillion? Much of it to be paid for by future taxpayers. But of course there was also the $75 billion in TARP money. You know, the money that's allocated to helping home owners keep their homes? What a great success that has been in directly helping people who need it the most, a whopping less than 1% of those who would reportedly qualify have gotten it.

The Republicans are far worse.

BTW, I'm no defender of the status quo or the Democrats. I just find that the majority of Republicans are scheming crooks.
 
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The Republicans are far worse.
Worse than those numbers? Go back and look at those links again. Dodd is a complete and total crook and should be in prison. These bills he was the chair on and got shoved through Congress should be completely rescinded as they are doing nothing other than propping up the vultures that put him into power and lining their pockets with more money than they could ever possible spend. All at the expense of working people, tax payers and people who lost everything in the collapse.

This isn't to say that the Republicans aren't culpable as well. I rail against them almost as much as you do. Paulson, Bush, Cheney, all of them were in it as well. But what Dodd did is the worst corruption possible. He was directly receiving perks from people who he later saw to it that they essentially got obscene amounts of government money for ruining people's lives. :mad:
 
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Alpe d'Huez said:
Worse than those numbers? Go back and look at those links again. Dodd is a complete and total crook and should be in prison. These bills he was the chair on and got shoved through Congress should be completely rescinded as they are doing nothing other than propping up the vultures that put him into power and lining their pockets with more money than they could ever possible spend. All at the expense of working people, tax payers and people who lost everything in the collapse.

This isn't to say that the Republicans aren't culpable as well. I rail against them almost as much as you do. Paulson, Bush, Cheney, all of them were in it as well. But what Dodd did is the worst corruption possible. He was directly receiving perks from people who he later saw to it that they essentially got obscene amounts of government money for ruining people's lives. :mad:

Oh Puleeezzzzz!! Dodd??? Try Alan Greenspan(R) Phil and Wendy Gramm(R) Bush41 and 43(R) all the Randite Republicans.. All the Republican S&L banking crooks that financed the GOP's Gingrich era.. It was George W Bush who presented this extortion in sept 2008. If you started piano wiring republicans to lamp posts on wall street you'd run out of lamp posts before you got to Dodd.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodity_Futures_Modernization_Act_of_2000

Been at it for years
http://www.villagevoice.com/2002-01-15/news/phil-gramm-s-enron-favor/
 

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Alpe d'Huez said:
Worse than those numbers? Go back and look at those links again. Dodd is a complete and total crook and should be in prison. These bills he was the chair on and got shoved through Congress should be completely rescinded as they are doing nothing other than propping up the vultures that put him into power and lining their pockets with more money than they could ever possible spend. All at the expense of working people, tax payers and people who lost everything in the collapse.

This isn't to say that the Republicans aren't culpable as well. I rail against them almost as much as you do. Paulson, Bush, Cheney, all of them were in it as well. But what Dodd did is the worst corruption possible. He was directly receiving perks from people who he later saw to it that they essentially got obscene amounts of government money for ruining people's lives. :mad:

This from your politico link.

But that plan was soon rejected, and the TARP instead became a grab bag of bailout initiatives, including bailouts for GM, Chrysler and auto parts suppliers as the federal government struggled in real time to contain a spiraling economic disaster.


Barofsky reports that TARP has come to include 12 separate programs that include a total of as much as $3 trillion, “including TARP funds, loans and guarantees from other agencies, and private money.” Of the initial $700 billion allocated by Congress, Barofsky found that the Treasury has so far announced how $643.1 billion will be spent, and it has actually spent $441 billion as of June 30.


Barofsky’s calculation of a $23 trillion figure took into account a wide-ranging group of federal programs set up by disparate agencies within the federal bureaucracy.

The special inspector general counted approximately 50 initiatives or programs launched since 2007 to fight the economic collapse.


The Federal Reserve, he found, has increased its balance sheet from $900 billion to more than $2 trillion, and Barofsky estimated that the total amount of support to the economy by the fed is at least $6.8 trillion, because it is exposed to significant losses if many of the assets guaranteed by the Fed deteriorate in value.


The FDIC, Barofsky writes, has contributed $2 trillion in “new gross potential support.”


The Federal Housing Finance Agency – “under whose auspices fall the Government Sponsored Enterprises such as Fannie Mae [and] Freddie Mac,” – has effectively provided more than $6 trillion in gross potential support.


Treasury itself, Barofsky concludes, has contributed nearly $4 trillion of potential support to the economy beyond the TARP program itself.


I really don't know why you're laying this all at Dodd's feet.

I don't know if you remember, but we were looking at total economic meltdown, if you were to believe the authorities.

We haven't had that.

As I and other posters have stated, the Republican philosophy is the root cause of these problems. Not some limited self dealing of Dodd, although his role is inexcusable, the Republicans are far worse and inherently corrupt.
 
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Densest element in universe found

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Pelosium (See the significant connection with the Peloton-osium below)

Previously it had been thought that it was an element called Algorium.

A major research institution has just announced the discovery of the densest element yet known to science. The new element has been named Pelosium. Pelosium has one neutron, 12 assistant neutrons, 75 deputy neutrons, and 224 assistant deputy neutrons, giving it an atomic mass of 311.

These particles are held together by dark forces called morons, which are surrounded by vast quantities of lepton-like particles called peons.

The symbol of Pelosium is PU.

Pelosium's mass actually increases over time, as morons randomly interact with various elements in the atmosphere and become assistant deputy neutrons within the Pelosium molecule, leading to the formation of isodopes.

This characteristic of moron-promotion leads some scientists to believe that Pelosium is formed whenever morons reach a certain quantity in concentration.

When catalyzed with money, Pelosium activates CNNadnausium, an element that radiates orders of magnitude more energy, albeit as incoherent noise, since it has half as many peons but twice as many morons as Pelosium.
 
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Republicans and Democrats alike are corrupt.They have turned D.C. into their own personal bank.
Hate to burst your bubbles but its ALL self interest.
Gramps told me many many years ago,"for every dollar,theres three crooks."
The only thing your vote does is decide who takes out of your pocket.
 
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