World Politics

[rhubroma]

The Rape of Ukraine: Phase Two Begins
http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2014/03/03/the-rape-of-ukraine-phase-two-begins/

I love how in this ideology of fiscal compact, the wolves get turned into lambs and vice versa.

State adopts austerity measures, while the interest rates on sovereign debt rise and rise; to then say that the debt problem is an issue of a lack of discipline, while the banks continue to profit on their loans. Does upside down register?

And all of this gets invested in the financial market, with no outlet into the real economy. Talk about hammer and sickle.

 

[RetroActive]

I love how in this ideology of fiscal compact, the wolves get turned into lambs and vice versa.

State adopts austerity measures, while the interest rates on sovereign debt rise and rise; to then say that the debt problem is an issue of a lack of discipline, while the banks continue to profit on their loans. Does upside down register?

And all of this gets invested in the financial market, with no outlet into the real economy. Talk about hammer and sickle.

Yeah, I'm noticing a distinct pattern emerging too and somehow a banker always winds up in charge. What a crazy world.

"Serenity now, serenity now".

 

[RetroActive]

Washington’s Arrogance, Hubris, and Evil Have Set the Stage for War
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/

Washington wants missile bases in Ukraine in order to degrade Russia’s nuclear deterrent, thus reducing Russia’s ability to resist US hegemony. Only three countries stand in the way of Washington’s hegemony over the world, Russia, China, and Iran.

 

[del1962]

hmmm

PaulCraigRoberts = total numskull or mouthpiece of vlad, most likely both

You have to laugh at this line from the idiot

Kerry is the foreign minister of a country that has illegally invaded Iraq,

The more discerning will realise that Kerry opposed the war with Iraq,

Anyway thanks retroActive and fellow travellers for giving me a good laugh at your idiocy, I am sure Putin is glad of your support

 

[Amsterhammer]

Washington’s Arrogance, Hubris, and Evil Have Set the Stage for War
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/

Amusing how an arch conservative, albeit a maverick one, contorts himself into a pro-Russian position. He lost me with his first sentence.

The puppet politicians who Washington intended to put in charge of Ukraine have lost control to organized and armed neo-nazis, who are attacking Jews, Russians, and intimidating Ukrainian politicians.

Ukraine is crawling with news teams, every one of whom would be desperately happy to break some 'outrage' to the world. There has been nothing. There may be an incidental youtube of film of low key, personal confrontations, but there has been absolutely no evidence to substantiate the claims Roberts makes at the outset.

Kiev has been taken over by ultra-nationalist neo-nazis.

There is no doubt that very unsavory ultra-nationalist neo-nazis formed part of the opposition to the ancien regime, and there is no doubt that some of their political leaders are part of the current, transitional government, but again, there is no evidence to substantiate Robert's exaggeration.

Roberts seems to going crazier with age. I mean ffs, he works in a group with Michelle Malkin.

 

[RetroActive]

hmmm

PaulCraigRoberts = total numskull or mouthpiece of vlad, most likely both

You have to laugh at this line from the idiot



The more discerning will realise that Kerry opposed the war with Iraq,

Anyway thanks retroActive and fellow travellers for giving me a good laugh at your idiocy, I am sure Putin is glad of your support

No problem.

Say Hello To Your Future
http://whowhatwhy.com/2014/03/03/say-hello-future/

 

[rhubroma]

hmmm

PaulCraigRoberts = total numskull or mouthpiece of vlad, most likely both

You have to laugh at this line from the idiot



The more discerning will realise that Kerry opposed the war with Iraq,

Anyway thanks retroActive and fellow travellers for giving me a good laugh at your idiocy, I am sure Putin is glad of your support

What doesn't register, in your knee-jerk reaction, is why is recognition of America's natural limitations tantamount to siding with Putin, first even before Russia?

What's truly idiotic is to personalize and reduce the confrontation to a rather crude polemic.

One also wonders if the fact that Kerry at the time opposed the invasion of Iraq, did that make it any less illegal? Discerning?

 

[del1962]

What doesn't register, in your knee-jerk reaction, is why is recognition of America's natural limitations tantamount to siding with Putin, first even before Russia?

What's truly idiotic is to personalize and reduce the confrontation to a rather crude polemic.

One also wonders if the fact that Kerry at the time opposed the invasion of Iraq, did that make it any less illegal?

Well done for completely missing the point

 

[rhubroma]

Well done for completely missing the point

You had one?

 

[del1962]

I know the_Hitch and myself follow him, but if there anyone else here that is interested in a more reliable (atleast more reliable than the western media) critique of Putin, you should follow the old grand master Kasparov on twitter (albeit as a (rather bad) chess player myself, I have a natural fondness for the guy)

Thanks for the Kasparov tip, seems to speak a lot of sense unlike the late Bobby Fischer

 

[The Hitch]

The more discerning will realise that Kerry opposed the war with Iraq,

The more discerning will in fact realize that John Kerry, junior US Senator for the state of Massachusetts voted for the resolution as did the majority of his party and that he voted for Clinton's Iraq Liberation Act which made way for the Iraq War, as did the entirety of his party.

Though in a way the point you make is valid since Kerry was not part of the administration which is what the sentence you quote implies.

 

[RetroActive]

Amusing how an arch conservative, albeit a maverick one, contorts himself into a pro-Russian position. He lost me with his first sentence.



Ukraine is crawling with news teams, every one of whom would be desperately happy to break some 'outrage' to the world. There has been nothing. There may be an incidental youtube of film of low key, personal confrontations, but there has been absolutely no evidence to substantiate the claims Roberts makes at the outset.



There is no doubt that very unsavory ultra-nationalist neo-nazis formed part of the opposition to the ancien regime, and there is no doubt that some of their political leaders are part of the current, transitional government, but again, there is no evidence to substantiate Robert's exaggeration.

Roberts seems to going crazier with age. I mean ffs, he works in a group with Michelle Malkin.

I really like the third picture down in this article:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-u-s-has-installed-a-neo-nazi-government-in-ukraine/5371554

I was watching a video from E. Ukraine last night. Some far right extremists from W.Ukraine had taken over the city hall, there were a couple dozen anyway. Unfortunately for them there were thousands of E.Ukranians that gathered and dragged them out into the square bleeding. I didn't envy their fate. I can't find it atm though, forgot where I was.

 

[del1962]

The more discerning will in fact realize that John Kerry, junior US Senator for the state of Massachusetts voted for the resolution as did the majority of his party and that he voted for Clinton's Iraq Liberation Act which made way for the Iraq War, as did the entirety of his party.

Though in a way the point you make is valid since Kerry was not part of the administration which is what the sentence you quote implies.

Fair point, I remember Kerry opposing Bush in the 2004 election and him taking a different position on Iraq, but you are correct

 

[RetroActive]

Here you go Amster:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGxmRrDymJ8

How about BBC? Does the Paedo scandal mean they're all a write-off too?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SBo0akeDMY

What about Max Blumenthal? I hear he's a self-hating Jew so he must be crazy.
Is the US backing neo-Nazis in Ukraine?
http://www.salon.com/2014/02/25/is_the_us_backing_neo_nazis_in_ukraine_partner/

Actually more seems to be coming out all the time if you have a look Amster.

 

[python]

kerry made that statement not in his personal or his mp capacity, but as a chief representative and a chief conductor of the united states foreign policy.

that's the key point.

he may have a personal memory of his vote, perhaps also a personal right to say what he said based on that vote, but the fact that the country he now represents illegally invaded another country (iraq) is an irrefutable fact

there was a false pretext to whip up the public opinion ('they have weapons of mass destruction '), there was a clear lack of legality (no un mandate), there were hundreds of thousands of dead as a result of the illegal, falsely initiated war...

it is mind-bugling that a simple fact, and the irony of the parallel is lost on so many only few years later regardless of mr kerry's personal vote

the hundreds of thousand dead could now care less how he voted. when the russian cynic action in ukraine starts equaling the american crimes in iraq, i would give his rhetoric a thought. as of now, he's just another blowhard.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

hmmm

PaulCraigRoberts = total numskull or mouthpiece of vlad, most likely both

You have to laugh at this line from the idiot

"Quote:
Kerry is the foreign minister of a country that has illegally invaded Iraq"

The more discerning will realise that Kerry opposed the war with Iraq,

Anyway thanks retroActive and fellow travellers for giving me a good laugh at your idiocy, I am sure Putin is glad of your support

Hey del before you call others idiots (you may have some merit sometimes) who truly are, its ok. But don´t do it directly to some smart posters here, when you yourself show nothing more than true daffiness. All you do is repeat what the MSM told you to think (try to use your own brain, just try). This forum is nothing for you. You are just not intelligent enough to see the real resons of this crises, and thus disqualify yourself from to be taken seriously.

But I will enlighten you a little bit for starters:
The quote is "Kerry is the ... of a country that ..."
It´s not that he said "Kerry was the ... for the country that ..."
Got it? Got it?... Ahhh
So before lashing out arrogantly next time, better be no fool.

For you:
"Professing to be wise, they became fools."

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

You had one?

LOL. Great...

 

[gooner]

I always found Kerry's position on Iraq flaky to say the least. Initially he didn't want military action without international support and supported the resolution authorising it. Yet as Bush declared victory, he said Bush was right in what he did. I watched all those Presendential debates in 2004 and he was accused by his critics of a flip flopping on the issue.

I don't think Kerry was really opposed to it.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

...
I don't think Kerry was really opposed to it.

Of ourse he wasn´t. But to keep the politic Punch-and-Judy-show for the average-Joe running, the two candidates must pretend to have different opinions in front of the audience, before they meet for a cute chat in capitols cafeteria.
No presidential canditat, who was sponsored millions by big business in the election campain, can say no to "free" Iraq oil...

To see the real ugly true face of the US "democracy" you better had watched the debatte when the banksters were saved by the american taxpayers. A lot of intimitation. Besides some true heroes who still said "no", the final was something like GDR-like 90+ %
of "yes" votes combined republicans/democrates.

BTW, the same 90+ % of votes (by all but one party in the parlament) were reached when "our" representatives said "yes" to the ESM. A contract Merkel said had no alternative to help the Euro, the european idea, the european countries in need, and the european union in general*. Puke. A contract that literally obliged Germany to pay any amount into that is asked for. A contract that is non-redeemable.
Lies sells, and the people are buying. Puke.
So much about "democracy" and what the politicans do for us... they pi§§ on us, literally.

* Actually no single coin goes to the people of Greece, Spain, or whoever is in need. The money goes directly to the bank syndicates who hold the bonds of this countries. It´s a card blanche to save the banksters on the back of the taxpayers. The biggest robbery in Germany (& certainly the other european countries who were literally forced to sign this contract) since the contract of Versailles. And ya all know what came later. God forbid...

The west is ruled by mobsters. The ESM should be the final evidence for all the naives...

 

[python]

vlad vladovich just finished his press-conference on ukraingate....

boyo-boy, i dont recall ever seeing him so emotional, excited even angry at times.

lots of direct questions were answered directly.

the one that jumped at me was, 'was west responsible for preparing the street rioters ?' if the rt translator was correct, he answered yes and even named places they were trained in. iow, if he's talking such specifics as a head of state, he is either lying or has hard evidence.

 

[Bavarianrider]

Brilliant press conference by Putin.
He was spot on on most points.

Python isnt't that enough for you to realize what a game the USA are playing?

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-u-s-has-installed-a-neo-nazi-government-in-ukraine/5371554

 

[blutto]

....this may cool the situation down ( if not now then definitely by the first week of next winter )...

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Gazprom to Cancel Gas Discount for Ukraine

Source: RIA Novosti

GORKI, March 4 (RIA Novosti) – The head of Russia’s state energy giant Gazprom said Tuesday that it will annul its discount on natural gas sales to Ukraine from April, a move that will further stretch Kiev’s teetering finances.

Alexei Miller, who made the announcement while meeting with Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev outside Moscow, motivated the decision by pointing out that Ukraine is $1.55 billion in arrears on payments for natural gas deliveries.

“The decision that you have taken about canceling subsidies on deliveries seem, in these conditions, perfectly fair,” Medvedev said.

Ukraine’s national oil and gas company Naftogaz Ukrainy had as of February 14 paid Gazprom $1.28 billion for gas delivered last year and had asked to postpone payment of what remained until April 15.

Gazprom said in early February that Ukrainian debt for 2013 deliveries stood at $2.63 billion, meaning that Naftogaz had around $1.35 billion still to pay at the middle of the month.

Read more: http://en.ria.ru/world/20140304/188083296/Gazprom-to-Cancel-Gas-Discount-for-Ukraine.html



Putin says Gazprom could cut off gas to Ukraine but it would not be due to political factors but because Ukraine hasn’t paid off its debt and isn’t paying for current deliveries:

The government of Russia gave the first tranche of credit, at first stage $3 billion. The Ukraine side promises to pay off debt that accumulated over the past year-and-a-half and to pay the current fees for gas. The debt has not been paid off, and the current fees for gas are not being paid... If they don’t pay for February it will be almost $2 billion that they haven’t paid... It’s just the commercial activity of Gazprom … If they don’t get money on time from Ukrainian partners, then they act according to their own programme, it’s a big problem … It’s not related to political events .... Of course Gazprom will tell them: ‘Guys, this won’t work.’

7 minutes ago here on Guardian live updates : http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/04/ukraine-crisis-shots-fired-crimea-airbase
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...and a cooling definitely looks necessary because that last Guardian link does not reference good news as it reports some shots have been fired during a confrontation btwn Ukrainian troops and their opposites...if time permits interested parties should look thru the whole thing, though a warning, the report is long, and ever lengthening...but it does have a great deal of related news....

Cheers

 

[Bavarianrider]

http://www.cyberwarnews.info/2014/02/13/opindependence-confidential-e-mails-of-klitschko-leaked/

 

[python]

Why Germany Doesn't Want Sanctions Against Russia, in Two Charts

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/116836/why-germany-doesnt-want-sanction-russia-invading-ukraine

i kinda suspected that germany's position will be different form, say poland's. but this article and the recent statements by frank-walter steinmeier about the mistakes made during the eu-ukraine negotiations, appear to mean symbolic sanctions

add this to the increasingly assertive german foreign policy, and it may smell that the us may find itself barking alone.

clearly, angela and frank-walter read our bavarianrider and foxybrown

 

[blutto]

....ok it may be time to take a deep breath and relax a little ( though, given the way the putsch has been going the following development may be a signal for the "revolutionaries" to up the pressure by doing something outrageous and stupid.. )

...interesting that this is from the "paper of record " the NYT...

" SIMFEROPOL, Ukraine — The prime minister of Crimea, the autonomous Ukrainian republic seized by Russian military forces, said on Tuesday that a majority of Ukrainian military units on the peninsula had surrendered and pledged allegiance to his pro-Russian government, and that local officials were working to speed up a referendum on independence."

...do note the use of the term autonomous....

...from... http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/05/world/europe/crimea-ukraine-russia.html?hp&_r=0

Cheers