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....a friend sent me the following article from The Spectator which I recall as being a Conservative leaning publication ( though I could be wrong given how it reads and how I assumed official Conservatives would respond to the events in The Ukraine )....would urge everyone interested in the Ukrainian issue to give this a thoroughl read...

...the title is... Putin is making the West's Cold Warriors look like fools

http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9163581/putin-is-making-the-wests-cold-warriors-look-like-fools/

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Or am I missing something?

....nope not a thing... except maybe for the bits that made up maybe about 99% of the article you pretty well got it bang on...

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blutto said:
....a friend sent me the following article from The Spectator which I recall as being a Conservative leaning publication ( though I could be wrong given how it reads and how I assumed official Conservatives would respond to the events in The Ukraine )....would urge everyone interested in the Ukrainian issue to give this a thoroughl read...

...the title is... Putin is making the West's Cold Warriors look like fools

http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9163581/putin-is-making-the-wests-cold-warriors-look-like-fools/

Cheers

indeed an interesting article that generally - about 80 % - sides with the way i researched the subject.

was that a typical 'traditional conservative' as opposed to american neocon view (or in a euro political speak - a 'right-wing') - i dont know, or, more accurately dont care...it was well argued and well argumented regardless of the political stance.

coincidentally or not, this was by far not the first 'easy-on-russia' article i read from a prominent conservative/right-wing author.... in this regard, henry kissinger's reasonable articles and a number of classic conservatives in the national interest come to mind...

all that said, i disagree with the author describing germany's role as some kind of moderating force...i too, as recently as 1 month ago, was mislead into the mistaken notion. while it is true that germany under merkel is more assertive, a carefull observation reveals that the anti-sanction stance within the eu came despite of germany rather than because of germany. it came mainly from the south europe, spain, italy, greece...

germany, along with poland and france, from the start of the ukrainian crisis plaid a double game. they actively tried to pressure yanukovich into signing the eu associations agreement, threatened sanctions etc, flat out refused to expand the negotions format from bilateral (eu-ukraine) to tri-party (eu-ukraine-russia)...and when yanukovich refused to sign, germany did everything to undermine the weak, irresolute president to be replaced by extremists-lead opposition - brokered but refused to honour the 21 feb agreement btwn yanukovich and the opposition which was in fact the presidents staged capitulation.

germany's leaders have shown themselves trying to subvert the traditional russian connections to ukraine. that could not have happened w/o their intelligence service participation. if true, which i believe is the proper reading of the events, it is a huge change in germany's attitude compared to just a decade a half ago...i smell america.
 
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....just out of curiosity who brought Vitali Klitschko to the fun and frivolity in Maidan Square ....I was under the impression his handlers were the Germans...is that correct?

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i dont know who are his european sponsors. one thing i'm sure, he's too politically unintelligent to be his own man...could be the germans, but i think their game was timoshenko. recall, the've insisted on her freedom as a pre- condition to signing the association agreement. he might have been thought by the germans as an important screw in the 'timoshenko machine'. one thing i know for sure, he DOES not represent the indigenous lviv/western ukraine radicals - he is the original russian speaker and was likely a political side kick from one of the oligarchs who sponsored the orange revolution 10 yo...

in due time we will find out....my general approach is to just follow many different informed sources, avoid the loud blogs and take the events as a research project. (luckily i have the interest, time and can peruse the sources in many languages)
 
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was that a typical 'traditional conservative' as opposed to american neocon view (or in a euro political speak - a 'right-wing') - i dont know, or, more accurately dont care...it was well argued and well argumented regardless of the political stance.

coincidentally or not, this was by far not the first 'easy-on-russia' article i read from a prominent conservative/right-wing author.... in this regard, henry kissinger's reasonable articles and a number of classic conservatives in the national interest come to mind...

...hard to say where the authors political allegiances lay....but would hazard a guess given who he has worked for and been associated with is that he seems to right of centre....and the mag the article appeared is considered Conservative...so?????....anybody here have a better read on this guy?...

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....nope not a thing... except maybe for the bits that made up maybe about 99% of the article you pretty well got it bang on...

Cheers
You're right sorry. This is a really decent article; one of the better opinions I read on it.
 
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This breaking news is very significant….

the man abusing and beating the ukrainian state prosecutor’s employee in the video below ( it was already posted here by blutto, retroactive ?) was shot dead several hours ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlKEF5uoU_I

the significance is not so much in the fact that he died a violent death (hardly unexpected) but that he was the official of the radical group ‘ right sector’ - currently a member of the coalition govt and the group suspected in sniper killings in kiev

also significant was how the news was handled by some ukrainian media. it instantly accused russia where he is being sought for killing 20 of their soldier in chechnya.

later, it turned out, as was officially admitted by their interior ministry spokesman, he was killed by the ukrainian police while resisting arrest. also interesting was that the thug predicted his own death in a still available youtube clip just days before and, if implemented, he pointed to the ukrainians who wanted to shift the blame to the russians ...… a truly thriller type story:eek:

are ukraine's moderates finally reigning in the extremists from their own coalition ? Or it was just a pragmatic case of eliminating one of the most embarrassing bros making their western backers look bad ?

http://rt.com/news/sashko-bily-dead-reports-013/
 
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Bankers sends their regards to the taxpayers. Lloyds Bank in UK, gets ready to pay out £27m to top management.

More on The Guardian's website: http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/mar/24/lloyds-banking-group-bonuses-top-management

Ever feel cheated?

How much longer does the London bubble economy run? I guess a while yet given it's the only economic policy around.

The real story is why people are so ignorant that they are not rioting about their standard of living being cannibalised.
 
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...hard to say where the authors political allegiances lay....but would hazard a guess given who he has worked for and been associated with is that he seems to right of centre....and the mag the article appeared is considered Conservative...so?????....anybody here have a better read on this guy?...

Cheers

Spectator is mired in the right (Boris Johnson's old stomping ground) but Liam Halligan has written for a number of publications - including The New Statesman, which is a more leftist publication.

He has a background in Russia/CIS investments, and is usually an economics writer so probably knows his stuff
 
Jul 4, 2009
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....don't know if anyone has commented on this but the much ballyhooed Hague Declaration put forth by the G7 came on the same day that in Egypt the military junta that the G7 supports to bring democracy to Egypt sentenced 500 odd members of the political opposition to death...and do remember this is the same military who not long ago unleashed snipers on a peaceful protest and killed 900 people...so get this straight, Egypt situation good, Putin, evil incarnate and must be dealt with, but those other guys we can work with...

...kinda smells like terminal thermo nuclear hypocrisy don't it?....

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I like this guy. As I said before. Straight forward no nonsense talk.

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World leaders play ‘dirty bomb’ nuclear war game at Netherlands summit to see how they’d respond to attack
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/pol...war-game-netherlands-summit-article-1.1734144

I have a request from you. Please warn me next time when you link an article with a pic of Merkel. I always feel like vomiting when I see her. I almost overthrew on my keyboard. Thanks in advance. :)

@ "Buffalo Soldier"

I copied a comment off youtube from a greek citizen dedicated especially to you:

"Well I already tried being with the EU/US and this has brought only disasters to my country. We once used to have a respectable industry that was growing and it started declining only after we joined the EU. That was because of policies imposed by the EU to our treasonous governments, favoring specific industries of Germany. As a result we are now a completely dependant country without any national sovereignity and dignity. It was the EU that shut down our central bank and they now control the distribution of money within our country, our imports and exports. The same thing happened in every member of the Eurozone in favor of a few specific countries. The euro currency was possibly the biggest experiment in economical history and nobody asked the people in most countries if they wanted to be a part of it. Only Denmark and Sweden held referendums and the result was negative in both cases.

Now regarding the USA. Why we should be a part of NATO and blindly follow their mandates in military issues that are against our interests? Why we should grand them the important military base of Crete every time they need it for their military operations? We spoiled the great relations we had with Serbia or the Arabic countries for the sake of USA and what did we get in return? In every dispute/conflict we had with neighboring countries (Turkey, Albania, FYROM etc) the Americans are always against us. They don't even have the dignity to remain neutral.

Especially as a Greek I feel much closer to Russians and Eastern Europeans, than to Western Europeans. That's not only that we have the same religion, there are a lot of outstanding cultural similarities between our people, originating from our common Byzantine heritage. we are basically members of the same family, only language divides us. Russia helped the establishment of the modern Greek state and all the Greek figures who really struggled for our nation during and after the revolution against the Ottoman Empire, were pro-Russian. The pro-West politicians that took charge later had a very controversial role.

I don't want to become a part of the Russian Federation like Crimea or something. But since I believe in real alliances and I am against NATO and EU, I see the Eurasian Union which is going to be officially established soon, as a solution."

If you don´t get the POV from guys here, then read something from a first hand victim of the imperialists that spoil europe inch by inch. May Belgium isn´t as worse off as Greece now, but that day will certainly come. Hope you have woken up by then...
 
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Here is the full speech of Obama when nobody clapped hands (not even the MSM "journalists"). I guess thats a first ever.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4QjhOlTgL4

Besides the obvious all-lies and twisted reality speech, there is a lot of "ums" and "erms" when he has to talk without a telepromter (speak; when he tried to answer questions).
Man, this guy is worse than Reagan* with Alzheimer... I thought GWB was the worst puppet the Rothschilds & Co could ever install as President of gods own country. I was wrong...

* at least this actor had charisma and could speak very well
 
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i smell america.

Hoy $hit. Of course! Why would german media go hand in hand with Merkels Russia bashing if it wasn´t forced from the US? Even worse, Merkel sells the free trade agreement with USA, signed the ESM papers. Phuck, she always works against the interests of us.
If I had to decide between her (assume for a second she would be attractive) and a cheap hooker from the slums of Congo to influence my life, I would take the latter 100 out of 100 times.
 
In accordance with what FoxxyBrown posted regarding the Greek perception, I'd say this represents a fairly difuse opinion in Italy:

Europe’s fiscal pact, otherwise known as the perfect crime to our economy:
By Curzio Maltese

Matteo Renzi met Francois Holland at Paris and our mass media gave titles to the new axis between Italy and France to contain the might of Germany in Europe. The next day, in the French dailies, from Le Monde to Le Figaro to Libération, there wasn’t to be found even a line about it. In reality, like Andrea Bonanni has explained in la Repubblica, every time our premier makes a visit to Paris the italofrancese pact slogan returns. But it’s merely a slogan: the new Mediterranean axis doesn’t exist.

Then Renzi goes to Berlin and our mass media reports of the mission’s success, of Angela Merkel’s enchantment, of the much coveted approbation by the German chancellor. Not even on this, though, is there a line in the German dailies the next day. Yet it’s the image of Renzi’s mission to Brussels that circulates the most. Again its the little grins exchanged between Barosso and Van Rumpuy this time that show up on Italy’s mass media regarding the question of the Italians' reliability, a soft echo of the famous laugh between Merkel and Sarkozy over Berlusconi’s promises.

After the fall of the Berlin Wall Germany had to even ask Italy for permission to reunify, but those were other times. We have to realize that, after twenty years of Berlusconism and above all over the last decade, Italy has ceased to count to the eyes of Europe. We have lost the role as mediator between France and Germany, of being a great supporter of a balanced and united Europe. In these years the German governments have profited the most from EU foreign economic policy modeled after the business interests of Berlusconi – total servitude to the US and inextricable business ties with Putin and Gaddafi – to impose their leadership with Paris’ agreement.

Today Europe is a three-level hierarchy. At the top are the interests of Berlin, that prevail everywhere, from the absurd exchange rate between the euro and dollar, to the mountains of money to save the banks, above all German and French ones, right down to the fiscal compact imposed on the south. At the second level are the taken care of interests of the hegemonic power’s allies: France, Poland, the Baltic countries. At the bottom languish the notorious PIGS: Portugal, Italy Greece, Spain, who are destined to a future of infinite sacrifices.

Only in this way does the folly of imposing a fiscal compact on Italy make sense, which unfortunately has been approved by the government, that expects a tribute of 50 billion a year for twenty years. It’s an impossible enterprise, while it will take just two years of this bloodletting cure to remove Italian competition from the Euro-economy of the German and French markets, even if Italy’s still Europe’s second largest manufacturing nation. It’s the perfect crime and with the victim’s consent. The rest is just talk, slogans and little grins.
 
I certainly don’t envy those who have the job of running a “European” electoral campaign, for two reasons: one generic and one specific. The generic one: whatever opinion “construens” there is in the actual political climate, is decidedly disadvantageous with respect to whatever opinion “deconstruens” there is. Say something that you like about it the EU and you will be regarded with great diffidence, whereas if you shout into the microphone what disgusts you will find an applauding public (in today’s Italy, for instance, rancor is the indisputable motor of political consensus).

The specific reason: the European idea, in so far as self-promotion, is catastrophic. It isn’t any longer capable of evoking even the faintest ideal, the faintest ethical-political reason (in the first place, fraternity among peoples); and of the enormous emotion that just a half century ago the concept of a “united Europe” was able to arouse, not even a shadow remains. The moment European Union is spoken, immediately cold bureaucracy comes to mind, fiscal responsibility, multinational corporate ham-actors who explain what you have to do but never have ears to listen: in short a political disaster that’s impossible to hide and super hard to stomach. For this reason many Euros vote “European” only because of the no small conquest that has endured over the last 70 years of a pax europea, but without a smidgen of pleasure.

Apropos the following letter I read in yesterday’s la Repubblica summarizes nicely what was just said (and perhaps might even present an anecdote to the current discussion in the US Politics thread):

Courteous Dr. Augias, he that writes you is an old age pensioner, a double red flag in the Italy of 2014. I have to say that I don’t like this Europe. It’s not the one of which many, including myself, had once dreamed. The Europe of Schuman, of Adenauer, of De Gasperi, of Spinelli was a dream, an island of liberty and civilization that should have been a light of civility, not in the Eurocentric and colonialist senses that were historically past their expiration dates and led to the catastrophes they did, but in the real and concrete version of liberty founded upon social justice and fraternity. What remains of all of this? Banks, debt and money, lots of money in a few pockets and certainly not in the pensions of people like myself, for whom 47 years of contributions have only germinated fruit that’s collected by the markets. But that’s another story. If Europe doesn’t become a real subject, rather than the object of the banks’ firing sight, etc., it will continue to lose its appeal among the people and thus a great dream gets reduced to shredded paper, to mountains of useless bureaucracy, which furthermore is what has become of the majority of EU activity. Very soon in May we will see what the citizens want: i.e. not this elephantine bureaucratic ship, but, I repeat, something civilized in a manner that the lessons of 3000 years of history have taught.
 
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just scanned the day's main news, and not just in english...

most articles are mere repeats of the reuters or ap latest reports -sometimes word for word and sometimes slightly edited... 'erdogan won and promised revenge...french socialists defeated by the right...south and north koreas are feuding again...'

only when reading the reports about the 4-hour meeting between kerry and lavrov i ran into almost diametrically opposing news.

france24 said that kerry used the 4 hours to issue lavrov another demand - pull your russian troops back or.... boy oh boy, if i was john kerry i'd take no more than 5 seconds to tell lavrov the same.

the rt reported that kerry agreed(?!) with lavrov...jeez, if they did, why did they give separate press conferences ?

the ukrainian channel (ubc) said that kerry swore to never betray the ukrainian nation : what :confused: anyone still takes the kerry's bs seriously or they simply tell what they wish kerry should say ?...

and so on. no wonder the majority have no idea what is going on despite the ukrainian crisis likely being the most significant geopolitical event since the fall of the berlin wall.
 
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just scanned the day's main news, and not just in english...

most articles are mere repeats of the reuters or ap latest reports -sometimes word for word and sometimes slightly edited... 'erdogan won and promised revenge...french socialists defeated by the right...south and north koreas are feuding again...'

only when reading the reports about the 4-hour meeting between kerry and lavrov i ran into almost diametrically opposing news.

france24 said that kerry used the 4 hours to issue lavrov another demand - pull your russian troops back or.... boy oh boy, if i was john kerry i'd take no more than 5 seconds to tell lavrov the same.

the rt reported that kerry agreed(?!) with lavrov...jeez, if they did, why did they give separate press conferences ?

the ukrainian channel (ubc) said that kerry swore to never betray the ukrainian nation : what :confused: anyone still takes the kerry's bs seriously or they simply tell what they wish kerry should say ?...

and so on. no wonder the majority have no idea what is going on despite the ukrainian crisis likely being the most significant geopolitical event since the fall of the berlin wall.

AND why putin has shown such 'interest' in Moldova, Georgia and now Ukraine..he yearns for the Soviet Union, or at least a buffer between Russia and NATO...It ****es him off hugely that the former Soviet republics or 'independent' nation states, are now members of NATO...
 
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