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RetroActive said:
Nice avatar, btw. The bathroom is thataway-------------------------->

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RetroActive said:
250,000 is a pretty conservative number

Especially since the number is still rising. It doesn't even include the US miltary dead, sacrificed without a moment's care on the alter of oil profits for the friends of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz.
 
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Tonight's elections are a major political earthquake for the EU. There will be much muttering and head-scratching after the FN and UKIP both became the largest parties in their respective countries, and Greece and Denmark also went euro-skeptic. At least Wilders lost a seat, where he was expected to gain several.
 
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Amsterhammer said:
Tonight's elections are a major political earthquake for the EU. There will be much muttering and head-scratching after the FN and UKIP both became the largest parties in their respective countries, and Greece and Denmark also went euro-skeptic. At least Wilders lost a seat, where he was expected to gain several.

... don´t forget that the German anti EU (not anti Europe!) party got 7% of votes, skyrocketing right from 0%. Also in DK, Austria, Finnland and Greece EU sceptics gain a whole lot...
Except of Netherlands (it seems they still don´t have enough problems to wake up), the smart people of Europe gave the EU dictators a big big phuck you. Not that it will change a bit, but people wake up, one after another. This was a nice protest voting...
Vive la France BTW. They gave the biggest non to the Bruxlles fraudsters... And of course congrats to GB. If they would make it out of the EU in a few years, it will be the beginning of the end. Only Election manipulation a la GWB could save the EU gangsters then.
 
FoxxyBrown1111 said:
Except of Netherlands (it seems they still don´t have enough problems to wake up),

Dutchies said no to the ECT in 2005

FoxxyBrown1111 said:
Vive la France BTW. They gave the biggest non to the Bruxlles fraudsters... And of course congrats to GB. If they would make it out of the EU in a few years, it will be the beginning of the end. Only Election manipulation a la GWB could save the EU gangsters then.


The main problem is that the FN are NOT anti-EU, actually. The French voted for them because the media claimed they were (understandable) but they advocated for EU exit and even about the € currency, they are ambiguous. Sometimes they say we want out, other times the opposite, other times we negotiate with other member states (which means we don't want to exit, ofc). But in the official documents for election, they NEVER mention exiting the €, and obviously not the EU. Oh and obviously they don't want out of NATO, of course. François Asselineau showed that very well.

Farage is much more consistent in his speeches. I'm totally with him on the EU, but he defends NATO, is pretty much a free-tradist. He can at best be a circumstantial ally. Besides he's also backed up by bankers of the City. Another disappointment.
 
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it's the euro and its current institutional setup that is the key problem. it was rigged towards suppressing wages and fanning the flames of nationalist sentiments from the get go. moreover, to separate the member states' fiscal policy from monetary policy and make them indebted as though in foreign currency is insane. the debt crisis is a direct effect of this flawed setup. when the commercial banks fell, the member states were effectively forced into debt because they were force to save their own banks - sometimes by borrowing money from these very banks - and, of course, the markets had a hayday. only ECB's OMT in aug 2012 put a cap on this. yet, the cap on interest rates shoudla been put by the ECB from day one.

and yet, what needs to get got is that any nationalistic solution will backfire, since they will by definition be based on beggar-thy-neighbour, beggar-thy-workers and oppress-thy-minorities kinda policies. read: more of the same.

moreover, not every country can accumulate current account surpluses. and it is a pure folly to think that the eurozone as a whole can do so! pursuing this strategy means, in plain english, that the eurozone unilaterally and constantly benefits from world trade at the expense of the others. The FED and the US treasury already fired one shot over the bow last autumn. also, in eurozone trade, one's suprlus is another's deficit. so the socalled progligacy of the mediterranean countries kinda saved the "sick man of the euro". the eurozone would collapse if each and every country went on and made hartz reform type attacks on labour and the like austerity measures. it's not enough to build ***; it must be sold, too. and wages generate demand. and demand matters.

in other words the current mess ought to be replaced by a wage-led, european investment and consumption demand based economic model, which builds onto tying productivity growth and real wages together. on top of that evening out the current divergences in competitiveness positions among national economies and current account imbalances is necessary if this mess is to be cleared. the ex german vice finance minister heiner flassbeck, for one, has made this very clear over the years. too bad he and lafontaine got the boot in six months when they held the german FM in 1998-9. :D

putting it even more bluntly, only a leftish policy mix can save europe. this demands macroeconomic cooperation among european countries not cut throat competition. whether this be done with or without the euro is another question. I am in favour of any solution that ditches the folly of nationalism and puts class at the centre stage.

too bad that the austerity obsessed EPP, ALDE, SD and the assorted nationalist groups will drive europe deeper into madness. for instance, the current deflationary spin that is looming in europe is a direct consequence of the policy mix that attacks wages, plain and simple.

all this, however, does not necessarily mean that european governance is a bad idea in and of itself. it depends on the policy mix.

the irony in this? precisely the model described above was in the discussions not 15 years ago. so the short answer to the european elites' question posed in none other than the sun is: no.
 
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i haven't posted for a while... a lot has happened since.

most commentators are in awe with the success of right/far right parties.. while i generally dont identify with neither left nor right, as a staunch euro skeptic, i salute all those brave europeans who see the current 28-hearts- -28-minds behemoth as anti-natural to common sense and the history of europe. My only hope is that the germans eventually produce and grow their own le pens and farages. until then, good old europa is doomed to drift about and prostitute on behave of its american pimps...

all that said, the main geopolitical event of the past couple weeks was NOT china-russia gas mega deal and NOT the continued calamity in eastern ukraine (their election of oligarch marionette poroshenko being utterly irrelevant) , but the ascendance of one nationalist modi in india.

very few in the west have noticed that he has a gigantic grudge against the us for marginalizing and humiliating him. if anything i heard from my indian friends about his character is only half true, the united states will likely pay big time for its sense of superiority and arrogance.

what does it mean for our planet ?

that it will continue to rebalanced away from the west-dominated world towards a fairer, more representative model. away from the obsolete, egotistic dollar-dominated finances, away from military interventions each time 'our values' come in contact with a disagreeable local alternative.

a 1.3 billion nation like india, the 3d largest economy in the world, is hugely important to a better world. at least that's my cherished hope.
 
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....hmmm....BRIC is an anacronym for Brazil, Russia, India, and China...so US is going to great lengths to **** off Russia, it is raising $hyte with China, most recently with that spying thang....and now India is run by a guy who has an iffy relationship with the US....

...hmmm...dare I say its just another brick in the wall (that the US is building around itself)?...

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FoxxyBrown1111 said:
Vive la France BTW. They gave the biggest non to the Bruxlles fraudsters... And of course congrats to GB. If they would make it out of the EU in a few years, it will be the beginning of the end. Only Election manipulation a la GWB could save the EU gangsters then.

You are talking about openly racist parties. Grow some brains...
 
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Buffalo Soldier said:
You are talking about openly racist parties. Grow some brains...

Thanks for the insult. Grow some brains either. You really really need it... People like you make this EU gangsters possible. Just read the great posts of the guys who wrote after me. They explained more deeply why people elected those parties, and that I am not the only one here liking the outcomes.
So go if you can´t accept this.
Those starting to insult and cry out lout (not only here), and swining the racist/Nazi "argument" actually have no arguments (like you, who went as low as getting me in the Hitler corner once. It´s the lowest level imaginable in any political discussion). They just run out of words to debate in normal manners.
OK, one more "argument" you guys have: We, the people waking up and protest, are called intolerant and the parties elected. Yet you guys are intolerant in the worst way: Not tolerating the will of a a great group of persons who have enough of imperialists, high taxes for the hard working, have enough of EU bending to US interests, having enough of getting lower standards, murky multi-culture and all the other $hit that come from Bruxlles. All of us thinking that way are the true europeans, be it lefties (like me), be it northern guys from Sweden, or southern guys from Italy. We are more europeans than the intolerant dictators ruling in Bruxlles and Washington, and those blindfolded who elect those gangsters. Puke.
 
meat puppet said:
it's the euro and its current institutional setup that is the key problem. it was rigged towards suppressing wages and fanning the flames of nationalist sentiments from the get go. moreover, to separate the member states' fiscal policy from monetary policy and make them indebted as though in foreign currency is insane. the debt crisis is a direct effect of this flawed setup. when the commercial banks fell, the member states were effectively forced into debt because they were force to save their own banks - sometimes by borrowing money from these very banks - and, of course, the markets had a hayday. only ECB's OMT in aug 2012 put a cap on this. yet, the cap on interest rates shoudla been put by the ECB from day one.

and yet, what needs to get got is that any nationalistic solution will backfire, since they will by definition be based on beggar-thy-neighbour, beggar-thy-workers and oppress-thy-minorities kinda policies. read: more of the same.

moreover, not every country can accumulate current account surpluses. and it is a pure folly to think that the eurozone as a whole can do so! pursuing this strategy means, in plain english, that the eurozone unilaterally and constantly benefits from world trade at the expense of the others. The FED and the US treasury already fired one shot over the bow last autumn. also, in eurozone trade, one's suprlus is another's deficit. so the socalled progligacy of the mediterranean countries kinda saved the "sick man of the euro". the eurozone would collapse if each and every country went on and made hartz reform type attacks on labour and the like austerity measures. it's not enough to build ***; it must be sold, too. and wages generate demand. and demand matters.

in other words the current mess ought to be replaced by a wage-led, european investment and consumption demand based economic model, which builds onto tying productivity growth and real wages together. on top of that evening out the current divergences in competitiveness positions among national economies and current account imbalances is necessary if this mess is to be cleared. the ex german vice finance minister heiner flassbeck, for one, has made this very clear over the years. too bad he and lafontaine got the boot in six months when they held the german FM in 1998-9. :D

putting it even more bluntly, only a leftish policy mix can save europe. this demands macroeconomic cooperation among european countries not cut throat competition. whether this be done with or without the euro is another question. I am in favour of any solution that ditches the folly of nationalism and puts class at the centre stage.

too bad that the austerity obsessed EPP, ALDE, SD and the assorted nationalist groups will drive europe deeper into madness. for instance, the current deflationary spin that is looming in europe is a direct consequence of the policy mix that attacks wages, plain and simple.

all this, however, does not necessarily mean that european governance is a bad idea in and of itself. it depends on the policy mix.

the irony in this? precisely the model described above was in the discussions not 15 years ago. so the short answer to the european elites' question posed in none other than the sun is: no.

In short liberalism.
 
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FoxxyBrown1111 said:
Thanks for the insult. Grow some brains either. You really really need it... People like you make this EU gangsters possible. Just read the great posts of the guys who wrote after me. They explained more deeply why people elected those parties, and that I am not the only one here liking the outcomes.
So go if you can´t accept this.
Those starting to insult and cry out lout (not only here), and swining the racist/Nazi "argument" actually have no arguments (like you, who went as low as getting me in the Hitler corner once. It´s the lowest level imaginable in any political discussion). They just run out of words to debate in normal manners.
OK, one more "argument" you guys have: We, the people waking up and protest, are called intolerant and the parties elected. Yet you guys are intolerant in the worst way: Not tolerating the will of a a great group of persons who have enough of imperialists, high taxes for the hard working, have enough of EU bending to US interests, having enough of getting lower standards, murky multi-culture and all the other $hit that come from Bruxlles. All of us thinking that way are the true europeans, be it lefties (like me), be it northern guys from Sweden, or southern guys from Italy. We are more europeans than the intolerant dictators ruling in Bruxlles and Washington, and those blindfolded who elect those gangsters. Puke.
Ok, I don't have the time right now to go into detail, but I need to clear up this injust insult of you: it was you making the ad hitlerum, not me! It is indeed the lowest level imaginable in any political discussion. That is why I pointed it out when you used it.

Also "We, the people waking up and protest, are called intolerant". Who's that, "we"? I was in anti-Monsanto protest last year, I was in anti-ACTA protest two years ago. I wil NEVER go as low as voting for a disgusting party such as Front National.
 
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...interesting exchange during Pope Dude's visit to Palestine....

"May 26 2014 "ICH" - "Mondoweiss" - Update: Reuters reports that the Pope and Benjamin Netanyahu differed today over Jesus’s language.

“Jesus was here, in this land. He spoke Hebrew,” Netanyahu told Francis, at a public meeting in Jerusalem in which the Israeli leader cited a strong connection between Judaism and Christianity.

“Aramaic,” the pope interjected.

“He spoke Aramaic, but he knew Hebrew,” Netanyahu shot back"."

Cheers
 
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Buffalo Soldier said:
Ok, I don't have the time right now to go into detail, but I need to clear up this injust insult of you: it was you making the ad hitlerum, not me! It is indeed the lowest level imaginable in any political discussion. That is why I pointed it out when you used it.

Also "We, the people waking up and protest, are called intolerant". Who's that, "we"? I was in anti-Monsanto protest last year, I was in anti-ACTA protest two years ago. I wil NEVER go as low as voting for a disgusting party such as Front National.

Twist as long you want. You pushed my into a corner I am not into. Not only me, but "RetroActive" for example uncovered your trick back then...
So don´t cry out if you get insults from me after you started to hit the lowest insulting level to shut down critics of "political correct" people like you.

Me too I don´t have time to go into detail again to explain you how things go, and why EU critical parties gained a whole lot of votes.

And you can protest as long you want. Nothing will ever change with that approach.

Finally: I will NEVER go as low as voting for disgusting parties such as those ruling the current EU dictatorship. I leave that to blindfolded people like you.
 
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Why do you think I voted for those parties? I never did in my life, and I'm not planning to.

But I'd still rather vote for them then for FN or UKIP.
 
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Buffalo Soldier said:
Why do you think I voted for those parties? I never did in my life, and I'm not planning to.

Well that´s good. Everything but voting the gangster parties in power is good.
So you didn´t vote at all?
Perfect, it saves taxpayers money since parties get 0.80 € per voter (at least in Germany)...
 
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rhubroma said:
The problem is that in the absence of an alternative to the "one thought" world, which means liberalism, the only thing that presents itself is the most vapid nationalism and populism.

Poor humanity.

I don´t understand (I was posting on that issue before) what the problem with nationalism/protection is, for smart posters like you.

Let me use an analogy: I would not invite my best friend neigbour in my home to get free food and sleep while I work for it, or take a loan to make him feel happy in my home. Does it mean I am bad? No, I could have beers with him, enjoy life with him, but he pays his bills and stays in his house, while I feed my family.
What is so difficult to understand that simple principle?
Even Naomi Klein understood that protection (IOW the evil "nationalism") worked well for the economy of countries who made their way up in Asia.
The true evil is "one world" with one ruler. No more competition...
 
FoxxyBrown1111 said:
I don´t understand (I was posting on that issue before) what the problem with nationalism/protection is, for smart posters like you.

Let me use an analogy: I would not invite my best friend neigbour in my home to get free food and sleep while I work for it, or take a loan to make him feel happy in my home. Does it mean I am bad? No, I could have beers with him, enjoy life with him, but he pays his bills and stays in his house, while I feed my family.
What is so difficult to understand that simple principle?
Even Naomi Klein understood that protection (IOW the evil "nationalism") worked well for the economy of countries who made their way up in Asia.
The true evil is "one world" with one ruler. No more competition...

Foxxy in your analogy you don't consider the trade advantages. Society isn't a vacuum, no?

Apart from this, I don't think that a regression into the old national ideologies is at all fortuitous, even if the current economic setup stinks.

Break up the EU, fine, but do we really need to go back to that intensive competition which dragged the West into two catastrophic wars?

My position has always been to foster cooperation rather than competition, however idyllic that might be.

We are only speaking of Europe, though this is a global issue.

I'm fully aware that China couldn't care less about Western "values," but do you think the nationalist parties in Europe would stop doing business with it?

Protectionism? Look the the world is far too fu--ked for that to be a viable solution to the current state of globalization.
 
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FoxxyBrown1111 said:
Well that´s good. Everything but voting the gangster parties in power is good.
So you didn´t vote at all?
Perfect, it saves taxpayers money since parties get 0.80 € per voter (at least in Germany)...
In Belgium voting is mandatory. My vote went to the Green party for Europe (we had 3 elections at once).

I would have preferred to vote for a more EU-critic, but still very pro-European party, but we didn't have that choice in Belgium (for example, Pirate party wasn't an option in European elections)
 
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FoxxyBrown1111 said:
The true evil is (...) No more competition...
The true evil is no cooperation. No more competition is the devil of neoliberals indeed. If the one ruler is the people, that's not an evil, but an ideal.

Nation states who compete for the favors of multinationals is what is breaking countries these days. The only way to deal with that is political cooperation. This can be done through official institutions, such as UN or EU (not in its current form of course), or through people's movements such as a new International (cf Indignados and Occupy movements)
 
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agreed, buffalo. the race to the bottom is just the flipside of nationalism, and in the end it benefits the affluent classes.

it is of course well documented that each and every strong economy developed under natural protection (transportation costs would have been insane back in the days) or actively partaking in protectionism. part of the hypocrisy in neoliberal thought is not acknowledging this fact, and the biggest hypocrisy is not admitting that the strong countries have a huge head start in competition. the economist ha joon chang has done good job on this issue, for one. also, free trade does not turn out to be beneficial for all parties, because absolute costs are the relevant variable, not the fairytales about comparative advantage benefitting everyone symmetrically "in the long run".

however, protecting and/or state owning and developing key strategic industries and/or implementing capital controls and/or grasping the idea of wage led economic models and/or engaging in politico-economic cooperation within the eurozone along these lines instead of cut throat competition so on is NOT what the contemporary nationalist parties advocate. in finland at least they are the first in line to fight such "socialism". no surprise there, their voter base is actually quite affluent.

and it is my recollection that despite all rhetorics this is precisely the general thrust of them throughout europe. handmaidens of the 1%.
 
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Free trade sounds good, but it's never really free, is it? It are only the countries who were able to in one way or the other break free from the western neo-imperialism under the Washington consensus that could significantly improve their economy (which does not always reflect on the people's well being though).

My idea though, is that supra national institutions should aim to make free trade really free, since the globalized economy is here to stay. I know this a Utopian idea, but today's neo-imperialism is not one of states, but one of multinational companies. Closing markets might have been the answer in the 20th century, now it is international cooperation.
 
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