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python said:
good observations there, blutto, on the reflective logic...

but this post is about something different that intrigued me earlier

i performed some quick research using absolutely open sources on how missiles, including the surface-to-air ones, are guided and maneuvered...

it turns out, a buk missile that a russian general assures typically attacks its air targets from above, is more than capable both in theory (which is a basic Newtonian physics) and practice (for which hundreds of patents are available on-line) to perform a quick up-down terminal homing maneuver even at velocities close to m3

...specifically, most sources place the buk missile maneuverability at about 24g. for a comparison, the most agile fighters top at around 7 or 8g, otherwise, either its pilot blacks out or the plane's structure disintegrates. it is not difficult to calculate that at a given residual treminal weight (about 200 kg), air velocity (about 2.7g) elevation (about 10k and air drag (an unknown but easily estimated) the buk missile can turn 180 degr at a vertical radius shorter than 1km.

this agility, as i properly speculated, is achievable by the missiles motor thrust vectoring...here's an example of a patent for one of the variants:
http://www.google.com/patents/US4131246

the russkie general was likely having an agenda, but unlike some high flyers, he sticks to what he knows and what can be checked out, at least with my amateurish approach.
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...good one...real good one....

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Gaza sat photos

Here is an article, it's in Norwegian, but the pictures are what's interesting. It shows before and after sat photos. You move the slider and reveal the difference.
http://www.nrk.no/verden/satellittbilder-av-gaza-bombingen-1.11852393
The Images are from Unosat:
http://www.unitar.org/unosat/

The destruction shows that the Israel seems to still be following the Dahiya doctrine:

The Dahiya doctrine is a military strategy put forth by the Israeli general Gadi Eizenkot that pertains to asymmetric warfare in an urban setting, in which the army deliberately targets civilian infrastructure, as a means of inducing suffering for the civilian population, thereby establishing deterrence.[1] The doctrine is named after a southern suburb in Beirut with large apartment buildings which were flattened by the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) during the 2006 Lebanon War.[2]
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahiya_doctrine
 
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ToreBear said:
Here is an article, it's in Norwegian, but the pictures are what's interesting. It shows before and after sat photos. You move the slider and reveal the difference.
http://www.nrk.no/verden/satellittbilder-av-gaza-bombingen-1.11852393
The Images are from Unosat:
http://www.unitar.org/unosat/

The destruction shows that the Israel seems to still be following the Dahiya doctrine:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahiya_doctrine
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....more vomit inducing sick....and as J mentioned earlier..."Only 4% of Israeli's found that too much force was used in the Gaza bombings - according to a recent poll." ....what a ummm wonderful little country...

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blutto said:
....that is vomit inducing sick!...

Non-Cheers
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Agreed.

Did Gaza just get 44% smaller?
Israel Takes Away 44% of Gaza Land … Herds Gazans Into Remaining Area
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014...44-gaza-land-herds-gazans-remaining-area.html

I mean, has this sort of thing ever happened before?
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Israel firing experimental weapons at Gaza’s civilians, say doctors
http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/World_News_3/article_101641.shtml

Israeli weapons add to brutality of Gaza attack
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/a...raeli-weapons-add-to-brutality-of-gaza-attack

Trial demonstrations for the military/security trade shows.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yk-uGss0jKE

The Authoritarians
http://members.shaw.ca/jeanaltemeyer/drbob/TheAuthoritarians.pdf
(pg. 27)
Authoritarian Aggression
. When I say authoritarian followers are aggressive
I don’t mean they stride into bars and start
fights. First of all, high RWAs go to church
enormously more often than they go to ba
rs. Secondly, they usually avoid anything
approaching a fair fight. Instead they aggr
ess when they believe right and might are
on their side. “Right” for them means, more than anything else, that their hostility is
(in their minds) endorsed by established aut
hority, or supports such authority. “Might”
means they have a huge physical advantage
over their target, in
weaponry say, or in
numbers, as in a lynch mob. It’s striki
ng how often authoritari
an aggression happens
in dark and cowardly ways, in the dark
, by cowards who later will do everything they
possibly can to avoid responsibility for what
they did. Women, children, and others
unable to defend themselves are typical vic
tims. Even more striking, the attackers
typically feel morally superior to the peopl
e they are assaulting in an unfair fight. We
shall see research evidence in the next ch
apter that this self-righteousness plays a huge
role in high RWAs’ hostility.
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We Can Stop Listening to Hypocrites and Liars
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/07/can-stop-listening-hypocrites-liars.html
 
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UNWRA spokesman cant hold it in any longer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izNPR1_aKiY

The Israelis like to call their army the most moral army in the world. They're killing something like 70-80% civilians, while Hamas and friends are killing just 5% civilians.

And they are called the terrorists... Perhaps they are the most moral terrorists in the world...:D

Anyway, pressure is building for Abbas to sign the Rome statute and accede to the ICC.

It's a desperate move, but it looks like the Israelis aren't leaving them any choice. The consequences of this move in the context of the occupation are IMHO unpredictable.

http://m.gulfnews.com/news/region/p...er-pressure-from-palestinian-street-1.1365797
http://www.timesofisrael.com/pa-to-sign-rome-statute-of-international-criminal-court/
 
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the shocking video report i am linking below was produced by...not the kremlin propaganda mouthpiece like rt, but none other than our venerable BBC themselves.

it was later deleted, wiped out by the head office producers...only to be saved by some watchful users...

Why deleted?
The problem with the report was that local people told they had seen two fighter jets with the Malaysian Airline Boeing 777 MH17 and that it was one of these fighter jets that shot the HM17 down.
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i, python, watched the 4-minute clip 2 times...(the report and the interviews are subtitled by perfect english)

...3 local women (but who no doubt are paid kgb agents) said they saw the military planes. the women at the moment they spoke seemed in normal mental state and not blind....the female reporter also investigated the official ukrainian claims of the buk being brought over the border from russia and the taped claim of smoke trace left by the fatal missile....she comes to a shocking conclusion it was likely exuded by a nearby coal mine or a battle...

how dare are some democracy-drunk journos to step out of scripted line:eek:

retroactive, you need to veto, veto ! thems too :cool:

http://saboteur365.wordpress.com/tag/fighter-jets-shot-down-plane/
 
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jens_attacks said:
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and to think that all of this could have been been avoided if israel state was placed after the second world war where it should: bavaria and austria...
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Displaced Bavarians placed in a strip alongside the Bödensee, that would've been funny :D

The picture is sad. It's not so much the territory getting smaller, but the constant cutting up is just a crime against humanity.

Though, I don't think the actual idea to create Israël was a bad idea (and that had a much longer and more complicated history than a lot of people like to pretend), but if you look at the 1947 map you realize that conflict was inevitable. Sadly its still going on today.
 
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not a fan of israel but palestinians are some lunatics big time though.someone said here that 85% of palestinian deaths are civilians...well duh i don't think hamas is wearing army uniforms lol.

just like i said regarding ukraine conflict, if i'd have to choose between israel and palestina, i have to go with the israel. of course like most nations of humanity, they are criminals too but you have to choose the less worse, as always. anyway, any people from that area who has the financial possibilites and a brain, should leave the area and let the lunatics fight as they want
 
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Yo both gents, Arnout at jens at. are confused...to a different degree imo.
Israel has made Gaza the biggest concentration camp the human race, as evil as its history is, ever, ever known...consideing the abject poverty the gazans live at, the israelis dozing in their food, water, electricity, freedom of movement, the degree of what they watch and listen to...

Get real gents, this is worse a deal than any british colony ever got...this is, imo, a deliberate mistreatment of almost 2 mln civilians to make them hostages...the israeli message is simple and remarcably arrogant in its application to innocent civilians...'you continue give support to your most ardent defenders at your own children will suffer' . Everything we have seen to date, is the confirmation of the criminal attitude, amazingly, defended by most western govts...

Get real gents, israel is committing real crimes being perfectly aware they will get a pass... the totally disingenious statements by the eu and the west are perpetuating the crimes..
 
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just like i said regarding ukraine conflict, if i'd have to choose between israel and palestina, i have to go with the israel.
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....well they do say they enjoy the high moral ground and possess pin-point accuracy from which they can drop morally just actions as we see below....

"BETHLEHEM (Ma’an) — Despite a four-hour humanitarian ceasefire that began at 3:00 p.m., Israeli forces on Wednesday afternoon shelled a market in Shujaiyya as well as number of homes across the Gaza Strip, killing at least 27.Gaza Ministry of Health spokesman Ashraf al-Qidra said around 6 p.m. that an Israeli airstrike had hit Shujaiyya market, killing at least 15, including a journalist, and injuring 160.

A Ma’an reporter on the scene said that Israeli artillery had fired several shells at civilians in the market, adding that ambulances and civilian vehicles were still transporting the wounded and the killed to the al-Shifa Hospital.

The Ministry of Health in Gaza said that the dead including a journalist and two paramedics, as well as a member of the civil defense crews.

Sources named the journalist as Rami Ryan, a photographer for the Palestinian Network for Journalism and Media....."

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Regarding Israel/Palestine conflagration, I keep hearing about a 'two-state' solution, which seems to be a reasonable way out of this mess. My guess is that most Palestinians and most Israelis are yearning for peace and would readily agree to a two state solution. So why hasn't it happened? Is it that easy for a few radicals on both sides to derail it time and again? :rolleyes:
 
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python said:
Yo both gents, Arnout at jens at. are confused...to a different degree imo.
Israel has made Gaza the biggest concentration camp the human race, as evil as its history is, ever, ever known...consideing the abject poverty the gazans live at, the israelis dozing in their food, water, electricity, freedom of movement, the degree of what they watch and listen to...

Get real gents, this is worse a deal than any british colony ever got...this is, imo, a deliberate mistreatment of almost 2 mln civilians to make them hostages...the israeli message is simple and remarcably arrogant in its application to innocent civilians...'you continue give support to your most ardent defenders at your own children will suffer' . Everything we have seen to date, is the confirmation of the criminal attitude, amazingly, defended by most western govts...

Get real gents, israel is committing real crimes being perfectly aware they will get a pass... the totally disingenious statements by the eu and the west are perpetuating the crimes..
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It goes beyond defending Israel.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/30/us-firm-condemnation-shelling-un-school-gaza
The United States issued a firm condemnation of the shelling of a United Nations school in Gaza that killed at least 16 Palestinians on Wednesday, but also confirmed it restocked Israel’s dwindling supplies of ammunition.
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US Gov. (to Israel): What you're doing is bad!! But here is more ammo... carry on.
 
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....yup make a show of criticism but give em more ammo so the show can go on....yup yup makes perfect sense( well not for normal human beings with a fully functioning moral compass!...though of course mileage varies in some halls of power...)....which leads me to the little thingee below that you may find interesting ( or not ) ... it tries to make sense of those aforementioned halls of power in a funny kind of way....enjoy...

http://mondoweiss.net/2013/02/security-national-television.html

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Pazuzu said:
Regarding Israel/Palestine conflagration, I keep hearing about a 'two-state' solution, which seems to be a reasonable way out of this mess. My guess is that most Palestinians and most Israelis are yearning for peace and would readily agree to a two state solution. So why hasn't it happened? Is it that easy for a few radicals on both sides to derail it time and again? :rolleyes:
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Well, if your starting hypothesis doesn't make sense in light of what we're seeing, it's likely incorrect. Israeli society has become increasingly radicalized the last 10-15 years, with the left wing being marginalized, and a significant portion (not just a few radicals), including the right-wing parties now in power, seem to think a two-state solution would not be in Israel's interest.

The current military operation makes little sense unless Israel is actively trying to render Palestine inviable by destroying its infrastructures and perhaps sabotaging the extremely fragile understanding between Fatah and Hamas.

Add to that the far right-wing factions who advocate the occupation and settlement of the whole of 'Eretz Yisra'el as an inalienable right of the Jewish people. They may be a minority, but they appear to be a significant one.

On the Palestinian side, it's not clear at all that most people want a two-state solution either. Gazans in particular seem to be more radically against the idea, which is understandable, since they suffer the brunt of Israel's military offensives. Hamas for example does not recognize the state of Israel, and while Fatah has been more ambiguous about it (the PLO negotiated with Israel on the basis of a two-state solution), apparently they don't recognize Israel per se either.

See this recent poll, which has depressingly low percentages both for Israelis and Palestinians.
 
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