World Politics

[djpbaltimore]

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Yawn.. the bully plays the victim card.
As I was scrolling down, I actually thought that I would get a comment on the passage that I posted. Nah...... Guess not. Your outbursts seem most often IMO to be deflections away from the issues.

Still waiting on comments about Trudeau's trade deal bullying....

....oh gawd you're channeling kwikki....geez I don't miss him one bit....kinda ironic you picking up his mantle, though I gotta admit he had much more charm and was piles more believable...

Cheers

What does any of that have to do with world politics? Dissapointing.... sad....

 

[blutto]

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Yawn.. the bully plays the victim card.
As I was scrolling down, I actually thought that I would get a comment on the passage that I posted. Nah...... Guess not. Your outbursts seem most often IMO to be deflections away from the issues.

Still waiting on comments about Trudeau's trade deal bullying....

....oh gawd you're channeling kwikki....geez I don't miss him one bit....kinda ironic you picking up his mantle, though I gotta admit he had much more charm and was piles more believable...

Cheers

What does any of that have to do with world politics? Dissapointing.... sad....

....what exactly is Dissapointing ....is that somewhere in Pennsylvania?....and why is it sad?....you sound confused, but do stick around, the fun is just starting, and Halloween is just around the corner...

Cheers

 

[djpbaltimore]

Russia has denied carrying out air strikes on a school in Syria's rebel-held Idlib province that killed 36 people, including 22 children.

"The Russian Federation has nothing to do with this terrible tragedy, with this attack," foreign ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said on Thursday, adding Moscow demanded an immediate investigation.

Maybe they spontaneously burst into flames, eh Snake?

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/10/russia-denies-involvement-deadly-syria-school-attack-161027131715280.html

 

[python]

the fake moral outrage will be taken good care of here by the other stooges of a foreign power bent on asking why the thousand of civilian victims of mosul, faluja, etc etc are somehow not front and center of the fake humanitarians. why the numerous war crimes of the beacon of light are not shined at...

 

[djpbaltimore]

Well, I've already gone on record as stating that the collateral damage from the USA has been horrific and it should stop. Still waiting for you to make a statement like that about what the Russians and Syrians are doing to civilians. Two wrongs do not make a right, snake. If you can't, than you are nothing but an apologist for them.

 

[blutto]

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Russia has denied carrying out air strikes on a school in Syria's rebel-held Idlib province that killed 36 people, including 22 children.

"The Russian Federation has nothing to do with this terrible tragedy, with this attack," foreign ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said on Thursday, adding Moscow demanded an immediate investigation.

Maybe they spontaneously burst into flames, eh Snake?

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/10/russia-denies-involvement-deadly-syria-school-attack-161027131715280.html

.......lets expand the field of possibilities to something less blatantly self serving shall we and include maybe they didn't bomb them....?......

...and given that report came from someone in his pajamas working in his basement in Coventry it would be reasonable to include that possibility ( read, Syrian Observatory for Human Rights has credibility in the negative numbers )...

....the article also contained this bit....

Meanwhile, the Syrian state media reported that at least six children were killed and 15 others wounded in the government-held west of Aleppo city by two rebel rocket attacks on Thursday.

...its a war, started by elements who were supported and supplied by friends of Merikah ...its a terrible tragedy and it wasn't started by the Russians...but the Russian are working to end it in the best way possible ( read, letting the terroists run amuck, while the preferred option for the Pentagon would be much more horrific to both Syria and its people )...

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[djpbaltimore]

Who else would bomb a school in rebel held territory? Have you decided whether the bombings in East Aleppo were done by the Russians yet? They did announce a humanitarian pause and the bombing ceased. Coincidence?

 

[blutto]

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Who else would bomb a school in rebel held territory? Have you decided whether the bombings in East Aleppo were done by the Russians yet? They did announce a humanitarian pause and the bombing ceased. Coincidence?

....could as easily be the Merikans who have already proved they have no idea how to read a map....or those ubiquitous Merikan drones who make a habit of blowing up weddings, funerals, hospitals etc etc in those parts of the world eh....schools full of kids would right there in their wheelhouse....

....and is it just me or is anyone else noticing the lack of pity from certain posters for deaths that have occurred in West Aleppo....pity block? directed pity? pity blinders?....can't stray off the 3s directives?....

Cheers

 

[Starstruck]

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Who else would bomb a school in rebel held territory? Have you decided whether the bombings in East Aleppo were done by the Russians yet? They did announce a humanitarian pause and the bombing ceased. Coincidence?

....could as easily be the Merikans who have already proved they have no idea how to read a map....or those ubiquitous Merikan drones who make a habit of blowing up weddings, funerals, hospitals etc etc in those parts of the world eh....schools full of kids would right there in their wheelhouse....

....and is it just me or is anyone else noticing the lack of pity from certain posters for deaths that have occurred in West Aleppo....pity block? directed pity? pity blinders?....can't stray off the 3s directives?....

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The highlighter is um...arbitrary.

 

[King Boonen]

http://stanfordpress.typepad.com/blog/2016/08/the-making-of-the-syrian-disaster.html

 

[blutto]

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http://stanfordpress.typepad.com/blog/2016/08/the-making-of-the-syrian-disaster.html

....anything that uses Robert Ford to backstop any position is an absolute crock of crap, full stop....be like having Victoria Nuland being the centre piece in an examination of the glorious revolution....

...just sayin' eh...

Cheers

 

[blutto]

...oh look Merikan backed "humanitarian intervention" at work....

Saudi Arabia ‘deliberately targeting impoverished Yemen’s farms and agricultural industry’


Increasing evidence suggests Kingdom is not merely bombing civilians in neighbouring country, but systematically targeting infrastructure survivors will need to avoid starvation when the war is over

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/saudi-arabia-s-bombing-of-yemeni-farmland-is-a-disgraceful-breach-of-the-geneva-conventions-a7376576.html

....though I'm someone will be here at any moment to blame the Russians for this....

Cheers

 

[King Boonen]

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http://stanfordpress.typepad.com/blog/2016/08/the-making-of-the-syrian-disaster.html

....anything that uses Robert Ford to backstop any position is an absolute crock of crap, full stop....be like having Victoria Nuland being the centre piece in an examination of the glorious revolution....

...just sayin' eh...

Cheers

Then feel free to read the books, or, you know, the rest of the piece.

 

[blutto]

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http://stanfordpress.typepad.com/blog/2016/08/the-making-of-the-syrian-disaster.html

....anything that uses Robert Ford to backstop any position is an absolute crock of crap, full stop....be like having Victoria Nuland being the centre piece in an examination of the glorious revolution....

...just sayin' eh...

Cheers

Then feel free to read the books, or, you know, the rest of the piece.

....frankly don't want to waste anymore time on that author.....should have mentioned this in my earlier post....find below a short and sweet look at this cretin's earlier work....

The ‘Anti-Imperialist’ Who Got Libya Wrong Serves Up The Same Failed Analysis on Syria

On Libya, Achcar had cast doubt, in error it turns out, on the idea that the uprising had a substantial Sunni Islamist component, dismissing this as a canard originated by Gaddafi to mobilize US support. Gaddafi’s implicating Al-Qaeda in the uprising “was his way of trying to get the support of the West,” Achcar said. [3] We know now that the uprising was, as Gaddafi averred, largely Islamist.

Similarly, Achcar blundered in declaring as preposterous the idea that “Western powers are intervening in Libya because they want to topple a regime hostile to their interests.” [4] As it turns out, Western powers did indeed view Gaddafi’s “resource nationalism” and efforts to “Libyanize” the economy as hostile to the economic interests of Western investors, a group that exercises considerable, if not decisive, influence over Western foreign policy. [5]

One year after then US secretary of state Hilary Clinton declared in connection with Gaddafi’s overthrow that “we came, we saw, he died,” The Wall Street Journal revealed evidence that the Achcar-supported NATO military intervention in Libya was rooted in objections to the Gaddafi government’s economic policies. According to the newspaper, private oil companies were incensed at the pro-Libyan oil deals the Gaddafi government was negotiating and “hoped regime change in Libya…would bring relief in some of the tough terms they had agreed to in partnership deals” with Libya’s national oil company. [6]

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-anti-imperialist-who-got-libya-wrong-serves-up-the-same-failed-analysis-on-syria/5497730

....wow oil interests involved in the overthrow of a oil rich country, gee haven't that for a while, well since Iraq.....btw see what Rhub had to say up thread about gas pipelines and Qatari gas and the timeline of the war preparations for Syria.....

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[King Boonen]

Gowans? Seriously? What's next? My Little Pony as a source for the proof of Unicorns?

 

[blutto]

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Gowans? Seriously? What's next? My Little Pony as a source for the proof of Unicorns?

...My Little Pony as a source for the proof of Unicorns?...well compared to the trash you served up....My Little Unicorn would stand as pretty good proof....

...sorry you are not a fan of Gowans ....but Achcar has been dead wrong and Gowans, more often than not, has been right....so there is that....

Achcar’s support for the war epitomized the unrestrained movement of a layer of pseudo-left middle class intellectuals into the camp of imperialism. He functioned not only as a media publicist for war, but also as a strategist, hobnobbing with various US and French intelligence personnel and collaborators to discuss how best to present the wars to minimize popular opposition to them.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/08/13/achc-a13.html

Cheers

 

[Starstruck]

^ Can't most of this be summed up by (badly) paraphrasing Chomsky: when we do it to them, meh, but when they do it to us...

The screeches and hollers after 9-11 for glass fukcing parking lots in the M.E., deafening. Whether by design or fortune the empire seized upon it immediately. Yeehaw. How long would it take for battle readiness in Afghanistan anyway? I don't know but evidently it took just over 1 month for the whole war apparatus to zero in and begin a never ending campaign. Thank god for Russian support. Carpets of gold or carpets of bombs? Bombs away.

We're such hypocrites, among many other deplorable attributes.

 

[King Boonen]

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Gowans? Seriously? What's next? My Little Pony as a source for the proof of Unicorns?

...My Little Pony as a source for the proof of Unicorns?...well compared to the trash you served up....My Little Unicorn would stand as pretty good proof....

...sorry you are not a fan of Gowans ....but Achcar has been dead wrong and Gowans, more often than not, has been right....so there is that....

Achcar’s support for the war epitomized the unrestrained movement of a layer of pseudo-left middle class intellectuals into the camp of imperialism. He functioned not only as a media publicist for war, but also as a strategist, hobnobbing with various US and French intelligence personnel and collaborators to discuss how best to present the wars to minimize popular opposition to them.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/08/13/achc-a13.html

Cheers

And yet more rubbish. Achcar never supported the NATO intervention in Libya, parroting rubbish and pasting quotes doesn't make it true. Hobnobbing with US and French intelligence personnel? But absolutely no proof.

Which google link will be pasted next I wonder...

 

[blutto]

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Gowans? Seriously? What's next? My Little Pony as a source for the proof of Unicorns?

...My Little Pony as a source for the proof of Unicorns?...well compared to the trash you served up....My Little Unicorn would stand as pretty good proof....

...sorry you are not a fan of Gowans ....but Achcar has been dead wrong and Gowans, more often than not, has been right....so there is that....

Achcar’s support for the war epitomized the unrestrained movement of a layer of pseudo-left middle class intellectuals into the camp of imperialism. He functioned not only as a media publicist for war, but also as a strategist, hobnobbing with various US and French intelligence personnel and collaborators to discuss how best to present the wars to minimize popular opposition to them.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/08/13/achc-a13.html

Cheers

And yet more rubbish. Achcar never supported the NATO intervention in Libya, parroting rubbish and pasting quotes doesn't make it true. Hobnobbing with US and French intelligence personnel? But absolutely no proof.

Which google link will be pasted next I wonder...

....well the hits keep coming....

I have come to the conclusion that there are only two possibilities that can explain Gilbert Achcar’s detachment from reality in regards to the conflicts in Libya and Syria. Either he is woefully misinformed, or he is intentionally deceptive. And while I am still not convinced which is the case, one thing is for certain. Like nearly all propaganda campaigns, it’s not so much what Achcar said, or is still saying, but what goes unspoken. The narrative he frames is very selective and revealing. How he tries to shape the image of the supposed revolutionary forces, and how he omits, limits or downplays their politics and violence, or their subservient role to the American Empire, is very troubling to say the least. Troubling because Achcar is supposed to be a leftist, anti-imperialist and anti-war activist.

http://dissidentvoice.org/2012/04/gilbert-achcar-on-libya-and-syria/

....yup yup yup just picking up where everyone's favourite drunken buffoon Christopher Hitchens left off.... well paid work if you can get it, giving imperial adventures a proper patina of respectability and noble purpose.....though actually much worse than Hitchens because he lacks that special flair with the pen ...

....oh well , whatever gets you thru the night....

Cheers

 

[King Boonen]

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Gowans? Seriously? What's next? My Little Pony as a source for the proof of Unicorns?

...My Little Pony as a source for the proof of Unicorns?...well compared to the trash you served up....My Little Unicorn would stand as pretty good proof....

...sorry you are not a fan of Gowans ....but Achcar has been dead wrong and Gowans, more often than not, has been right....so there is that....

Achcar’s support for the war epitomized the unrestrained movement of a layer of pseudo-left middle class intellectuals into the camp of imperialism. He functioned not only as a media publicist for war, but also as a strategist, hobnobbing with various US and French intelligence personnel and collaborators to discuss how best to present the wars to minimize popular opposition to them.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/08/13/achc-a13.html

Cheers

And yet more rubbish. Achcar never supported the NATO intervention in Libya, parroting rubbish and pasting quotes doesn't make it true. Hobnobbing with US and French intelligence personnel? But absolutely no proof.

Which google link will be pasted next I wonder...

....well the hits keep coming....

I have come to the conclusion that there are only two possibilities that can explain Gilbert Achcar’s detachment from reality in regards to the conflicts in Libya and Syria. Either he is woefully misinformed, or he is intentionally deceptive. And while I am still not convinced which is the case, one thing is for certain. Like nearly all propaganda campaigns, it’s not so much what Achcar said, or is still saying, but what goes unspoken. The narrative he frames is very selective and revealing. How he tries to shape the image of the supposed revolutionary forces, and how he omits, limits or downplays their politics and violence, or their subservient role to the American Empire, is very troubling to say the least. Troubling because Achcar is supposed to be a leftist, anti-imperialist and anti-war activist.

http://dissidentvoice.org/2012/04/gilbert-achcar-on-libya-and-syria/

....yup yup yup just picking up where everyone's favourite drunken buffoon Christopher Hitchens left off.... well paid work if you can get it, giving imperial adventures a proper patina of respectability and noble purpose.....though actually much worse than Hitchens because he lacks that special flair with the pen ...

....oh well , whatever gets you thru the night....

Cheers

Yes, more of the exact same rubbish from people only quoting Western sources and who probably don't even read or speak Arabic. If Achcar was an imperialist propaganda tool you would think he would be vilified in the Arab world, but he isn't. It is the radical left attempting to justify their own views of what should happen in these countries and how change should occur, completely missing the point that if the change does not come from within the country they are as bad as anyone else.

These people accuse the rebels of making up claims of an impending massacre, supposedly backed by evidence from Russian satellites, yet there was no threat of a veto from Russia, they abstained. They threatened to veto in Iraq in 2003 but not here as they clearly did not want to be blamed for the impending massacre. Yet it is Achcar whose position is constantly mis-represented due to vested interests from the radical left. They have the gall to suggest that they know better than the rebels and that there wouldn't have been a massacre, even though Gaddafi said he would do to Benghazi what others had done to Gaza and Falljuah. The risk being wrong, the rebels risk being massacred and all because their radical left ideals are more important than stopping atrocities.

They use isolated incidents to tar the whole rebel movement, yet ignore the fact the Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International Praised the TNC leadership for their public statements condemning such actions.


Let me guess, the next one is Richard Seymour?

 

[Bustedknuckle]

...oh look Merikan backed "humanitarian intervention" at work....

Saudi Arabia ‘deliberately targeting impoverished Yemen’s farms and agricultural industry’


Increasing evidence suggests Kingdom is not merely bombing civilians in neighbouring country, but systematically targeting infrastructure survivors will need to avoid starvation when the war is over

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/saudi-arabia-s-bombing-of-yemeni-farmland-is-a-disgraceful-breach-of-the-geneva-conventions-a7376576.html

....though I'm someone will be here at any moment to blame the Russians for this....

Cheers

And Russia isn't targeting civilian and civilian owned property in Syria? No starvation going on in Syria?...a little objectivity would go a long way..both are horrible..SA(with USA) and Syrian(with Russia) intervention in rebel wars.

Ya want the start of the mess today? March 20, 2003...thanks george/***/paul.

 

[blutto]

...oh look Merikan backed "humanitarian intervention" at work....

Saudi Arabia ‘deliberately targeting impoverished Yemen’s farms and agricultural industry’


Increasing evidence suggests Kingdom is not merely bombing civilians in neighbouring country, but systematically targeting infrastructure survivors will need to avoid starvation when the war is over

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/saudi-arabia-s-bombing-of-yemeni-farmland-is-a-disgraceful-breach-of-the-geneva-conventions-a7376576.html

....though I'm someone will be here at any moment to blame the Russians for this....

Cheers

And Russia isn't targeting civilian and civilian owned property in Syria? No starvation going on in Syria?...a little objectivity would go a long way..both are horrible..SA(with USA) and Syrian(with Russia) intervention in rebel wars.

Ya want the start of the mess today? March 20, 2003...thanks george/****/paul.

.....you're late....what's the matter, sleep in ?.....

....is it targeting civilian owned property because of what ?....because its civilian property ?...or because it is a military target ?....my guess, the latter ( which by the way is right out of the Merikan playbook is it not ? ), and they leave the soft targets such as weddings and funerals, and wrong targets, to Merikan forces, because of their vast expertise in that field....

...and can't much argue with March 20, 2003....

Cheers

 

[Bustedknuckle]

...oh look Merikan backed "humanitarian intervention" at work....

Saudi Arabia ‘deliberately targeting impoverished Yemen’s farms and agricultural industry’


Increasing evidence suggests Kingdom is not merely bombing civilians in neighbouring country, but systematically targeting infrastructure survivors will need to avoid starvation when the war is over

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/saudi-arabia-s-bombing-of-yemeni-farmland-is-a-disgraceful-breach-of-the-geneva-conventions-a7376576.html

....though I'm someone will be here at any moment to blame the Russians for this....

Cheers

And Russia isn't targeting civilian and civilian owned property in Syria? No starvation going on in Syria?...a little objectivity would go a long way..both are horrible..SA(with USA) and Syrian(with Russia) intervention in rebel wars.

Ya want the start of the mess today? March 20, 2003...thanks george/****/paul.

.....you're late....what's the matter, sleep in ?.....

....is it targeting civilian owned property because of what ?....because its civilian property ?...or because it is a military target ?....my guess, the latter ( which by the way is right out of the Merikan playbook is it not ? ), and they leave the soft targets such as weddings and funerals, and wrong targets, to Merikan forces, because of their vast expertise in that field....

...and can't much argue with March 20, 2003....

Cheers

Sure, no cluster bombs, dropped during the day by the below average Russian pilots, target school children.

You're sure US aviators purposely target soft civilian targets...I'm sure they don't.
Can't say that about Russian pilots, they know what they are dropping area, antinpersonnel
Bombs, on. Your reliance on the inter web and your ignorance of the military, particularly aviation, both US and Russian is telling.

 

[Starstruck]

A little history lesson (again, as I'm certain this was posted before):
Why the Arabs Don’t Want Us in Syria
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/02/rfk-jr-why-arabs-dont-trust-america-213601

 

[Brullnux]

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/oct/30/eu-canada-sign-ceta-free-trade-deal-trudeau-juncker

A real pity. I had hoped and thought the Waloons had done enough to completely derail the trade deal, but apparently not. Hopefully this doesn't mean that TTIP is resurrected.