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^ Vassal states falling in line.Trudeau obviously "got the talking to" as he's reversed his course on a number of issues (no surprise). I don't really follow Canadian politics as we're boring, and (usually) impotent when faced with real power. His father famously summed it up. It's also why I always vote 4th or 5th party, my riding is predictably NDP regardless and I can live with that (dumb, racist, under educated rednecks voting socialist - loggers and fisherpeople ( ;)) have no idea what's going on) .
http://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1797537698
 
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^ Vassal states falling in line.Trudeau obviously "got the talking to" as he's reversed his course on a number of issues (no surprise). I don't really follow Canadian politics as we're boring, and (usually) impotent when faced with real power. His father famously summed it up. It's also why I always vote 4th or 5th party, my riding is predictably NDP regardless and I can live with that (dumb, racist, under educated rednecks voting socialist - loggers and fisherpeople ( ;)) have no idea what's going on) .
http://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1797537698
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...saw some video of "our Justin" talking about the signing...he sounded like he had just been given that talking to and maybe with a beating thrown in for good measure...it was not pretty, really really not pretty....don't know if I should be pissed off at him or feel sorry for him...he looked beat, his heart wasn't in it, he was just stumbling around the written statement in front of him...

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a very interesting new dynamic is unfolding in south asia...the traditional, almost brotherly relations btwn india and russia are hitting some hurdles (i need to find and post the good article i saw recently). this is hugely important in terms of the us-india-china-pakistan geopolitical evolution.

when the current indian pm took office, i was speculating he may increase the distance btwn india and the us. the opposite is happening. not only he had the memory of being barred from entering the us, but the consolidation of the brics seemed the india's main course. while formally, india and russia calling each other strategic partners, they started to engage with each others enemy military. russia just ended the joint maneuvers with pakistan near hotly contested kashmir and india had the same with the us earlier. india is bying more and more military gear in the west while pakistan has indicated interest in russian fighters. these things never happened before.

i wonder where the dynamic will lead ?
 
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python said:
a very interesting new dynamic is unfolding in south asia...the traditional, almost brotherly relations btwn india and russia are hitting some hurdles (i need to find and post the good article i saw recently). this is hugely important in terms of the us-india-china-pakistan geopolitical evolution.

when the current indian pm took office, i was speculating he may increase the distance btwn india and the us. the opposite is happening. not only he had the memory of being barred from entering the us, but the consolidation of the brics seemed the india's main course. while formally, india and russia calling each other strategic partners, they started to engage with each others enemy military. russia just ended the joint maneuvers with pakistan near hotly contested kashmir and india had the same with the us earlier. india is bying more and more military gear in the west while pakistan has indicated interest in russian fighters. these things never happened before.

i wonder where the dynamic will lead ?
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That's all we need as if that part of the world wasn't unstable enough. I also read that Pakistan has been quite aggressive in returning Afghan refugees back to their home country. There is no doubt that Vlad is putting his fingers in many pies at the moment or trying to. Keeping the Americans guessing as he likes to do.
 
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movingtarget said:
python said:
a very interesting new dynamic is unfolding in south asia...the traditional, almost brotherly relations btwn india and russia are hitting some hurdles (i need to find and post the good article i saw recently). this is hugely important in terms of the us-india-china-pakistan geopolitical evolution.

when the current indian pm took office, i was speculating he may increase the distance btwn india and the us. the opposite is happening. not only he had the memory of being barred from entering the us, but the consolidation of the brics seemed the india's main course. while formally, india and russia calling each other strategic partners, they started to engage with each others enemy military. russia just ended the joint maneuvers with pakistan near hotly contested kashmir and india had the same with the us earlier. india is bying more and more military gear in the west while pakistan has indicated interest in russian fighters. these things never happened before.

i wonder where the dynamic will lead ?
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That's all we need as if that part of the world wasn't unstable enough. I also read that Pakistan has been quite aggressive in returning Afghan refugees back to their home country. There is no doubt that Vlad is putting his fingers in many pies at the moment or trying to. Keeping the Americans guessing as he likes to do.
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here's the article i wanted to link earlier...extremely informative. for instance, i never knew of their historical friction.
http://nationalinterest.org/feature/india-losing-russia-18208
To the surprise of many observers, India-Russia relations, which have stood the test of time, also appear to have been affected by this trend, with Russia apparently upping its security ties with Pakistan, India’s traditional rival. For many in India, Russia’s decision to go ahead with its Druzhba (Friendship) 2016 military exercises with Pakistan immediately after the Uri terrorist incident, and its reticence in fully backing India on terrorism emanating from Pakistan at the recently concluded eighth BRICS Summit in Goa, are seen as worrying developments.
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Parts of Druzhba 2016 were to be held in the Gilgit-Baltistan province of Pakistan, an area India considers to be a part of Jammu and Kashmir, illegally occupied by Pakistan.
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given that the pakistan army almost exclusively sustained by the us weapons, this one is perhaps a message to washington...
Additionally, Russia has been selling military hardware to Pakistan. It is believed that the two nations are in discussions regarding the possible sale of Russian Su-35 warplanes to Pakistan. Pakistan also bought four Mi-35 helicopter gunships from Russia in 2015. The Hindustan Times reports that over the last fifteen months, the army, navy and air force chiefs of Pakistan have visited Russia to explore other such military deals. Given the fact that Pakistan is the world’s seventh-largest importer of defense equipment, it could prove to be a lucrative market for Russian arms manufacturers. This could have serious consequences for India-Russia relations.
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quite phenomenally, i found no mention in the article of the fast growing us-india military ties under the new pm. i am surprised b/c knowing vlad's style, it is probably the single most important reason of him reaching out to pakistan..
 
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python said:
movingtarget said:
python said:
a very interesting new dynamic is unfolding in south asia...the traditional, almost brotherly relations btwn india and russia are hitting some hurdles (i need to find and post the good article i saw recently). this is hugely important in terms of the us-india-china-pakistan geopolitical evolution.

when the current indian pm took office, i was speculating he may increase the distance btwn india and the us. the opposite is happening. not only he had the memory of being barred from entering the us, but the consolidation of the brics seemed the india's main course. while formally, india and russia calling each other strategic partners, they started to engage with each others enemy military. russia just ended the joint maneuvers with pakistan near hotly contested kashmir and india had the same with the us earlier. india is bying more and more military gear in the west while pakistan has indicated interest in russian fighters. these things never happened before.

i wonder where the dynamic will lead ?
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That's all we need as if that part of the world wasn't unstable enough. I also read that Pakistan has been quite aggressive in returning Afghan refugees back to their home country. There is no doubt that Vlad is putting his fingers in many pies at the moment or trying to. Keeping the Americans guessing as he likes to do.
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here's the article i wanted to link earlier...extremely informative. for instance, i never knew of their historical friction.
http://nationalinterest.org/feature/india-losing-russia-18208
To the surprise of many observers, India-Russia relations, which have stood the test of time, also appear to have been affected by this trend, with Russia apparently upping its security ties with Pakistan, India’s traditional rival. For many in India, Russia’s decision to go ahead with its Druzhba (Friendship) 2016 military exercises with Pakistan immediately after the Uri terrorist incident, and its reticence in fully backing India on terrorism emanating from Pakistan at the recently concluded eighth BRICS Summit in Goa, are seen as worrying developments.
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Parts of Druzhba 2016 were to be held in the Gilgit-Baltistan province of Pakistan, an area India considers to be a part of Jammu and Kashmir, illegally occupied by Pakistan.
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given that the pakistan army almost exclusively sustained by the us weapons, this one is perhaps a message to washington...

Additionally, Russia has been selling military hardware to Pakistan. It is believed that the two nations are in discussions regarding the possible sale of Russian Su-35 warplanes to Pakistan. Pakistan also bought four Mi-35 helicopter gunships from Russia in 2015. The Hindustan Times reports that over the last fifteen months, the army, navy and air force chiefs of Pakistan have visited Russia to explore other such military deals. Given the fact that Pakistan is the world’s seventh-largest importer of defense equipment, it could prove to be a lucrative market for Russian arms manufacturers. This could have serious consequences for India-Russia relations.
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quite phenomenally, i found no mention in the article of the fast growing us-india military ties under the new pm. i am surprised b/c knowing vlad's style, it is probably the single most important reason of him reaching out to pakistan..
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..a message to Washington ?.....quite mysterious esp the lack of comment....other irons in the fire ?....chaos in the home office because counter punching a real opponent is much harder than simply carpet bombing third world countries ( which is the decades old Merikan specialty )...?....

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That is pretty draconian.
Some countries, including Russia, “work really hard to get Interpol alerts” against political enemies, said Jago Russell, the chief executive of Fair Trials International, a human rights group in London, because “this helps give credibility to their own prosecution and undermines the reputation of the accused.”

“It is also potentially a good threat to use against people still in the country: ‘You may be able to leave, but don’t assume you will be safe,’” he added.

The efforts have often fallen flat in the end, but have succeeded in tying up their targets in legal knots for months and years.
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wow ! what a shock to wake up to the new president elect who was not to be...i never liked nor respected the man, but now feel vindicated for rejecting all the polls. i consistently did b/c with trump it was obvious from get-go, the american people were NOT saying what they felt and thought...

anyway, i just quickly flipped thru several tv channels to get a flavour of what the world thinks. France 24 commentators are full of disbelief, the turkish trt world appears pleased, rt gloats, the bbc seems still in shock, al jazeera sounds scared, the chinese are washing their hands as if after a dirty affair, deutche welle is reserved and cold...

we now have to wait how nato will be affected.

his victory signifies, i hope, the end of american neocon interventions and countless wars.
 
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python said:
wow ! what a shock to wake up to the new president elect who was not to be...i never liked nor respected the man, but now feel vindicated for rejecting all the polls. i consistently did b/c with trump it was obvious from get-go, the american people were NOT saying what they felt and thought...

anyway, i just quickly flipped thru several tv channels to get a flavour of what the world thinks. France 24 commentators are full of disbelief, the turkish trt world appears pleased, rt gloats, the bbc seems still in shock, al jazeera sounds scared, the chinese are washing their hands as if after a dirty affair, deutche welle is reserved and cold...

we now have to wait how nato will be affected.

his victory signifies, i hope, the end of american neocon interventions and countless wars.
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....if he just starts and stops with that, the world will be a much better place....

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python said:
wow ! what a shock to wake up to the new president elect who was not to be...i never liked nor respected the man, but now feel vindicated for rejecting all the polls. i consistently did b/c with trump it was obvious from get-go, the american people were NOT saying what they felt and thought...

anyway, i just quickly flipped thru several tv channels to get a flavour of what the world thinks. France 24 commentators are full of disbelief, the turkish trt world appears pleased, rt gloats, the bbc seems still in shock, al jazeera sounds scared, the chinese are washing their hands as if after a dirty affair, deutche welle is reserved and cold...

we now have to wait how nato will be affected.

his victory signifies, i hope, the end of american neocon interventions and countless wars.
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In one way I was surprised but not in another. I thought the likely scenario was a narrow victory to Clinton but when I saw all of the celebrities being trotted out in the last few days I thought she was worried and that maybe the polls were not telling the real story. I think the combination of the Clinton baggage in general including her husband's legacy and also that fact that the Democrats did not run a very smart campaign plus the email problems and the FBI making a press release leading up to the climax of the election all created doubt in people's minds especially people that had not decided how they would vote plus the fact that most of the allegations against Trump happened conveniently in the past few weeks. I also think that many people are generally sick and tired of the Bush, Clinton, Kennedy names and Americans usually do change governments after 8 years anyway.

It's also amazing how many recent elections the polls have got wrong including the Brexit vote and the US election. The people that had had enough of Obama just saw Clinton continuing down the same path and it was too much for many of the voters to want more of the same. It was telling that so many newspapers endorsed Clinton but hardly any for Trump. Also amazing that one third of Hispanic males voted for Trump ! Many strange stats came out of the election and both parties will be scratching their heads. It seems that all of the media who thought that Clinton was over the line already got it badly wrong but so did many political commentators. The female vote for Clinton was much lower than she expected. Clinton was counting on sexism being a big issue for voters but it wasn't.
 
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movingtarget said:
python said:
wow ! what a shock to wake up to the new president elect who was not to be...i never liked nor respected the man, but now feel vindicated for rejecting all the polls. i consistently did b/c with trump it was obvious from get-go, the american people were NOT saying what they felt and thought...

anyway, i just quickly flipped thru several tv channels to get a flavour of what the world thinks. France 24 commentators are full of disbelief, the turkish trt world appears pleased, rt gloats, the bbc seems still in shock, al jazeera sounds scared, the chinese are washing their hands as if after a dirty affair, deutche welle is reserved and cold...

we now have to wait how nato will be affected.

his victory signifies, i hope, the end of american neocon interventions and countless wars.
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In one way I was surprised but not in another. I thought the likely scenario was a narrow victory to Clinton but when I saw all of the celebrities being trotted out in the last few days I thought she was worried and that maybe the polls were not telling the real story. I think the combination of the Clinton baggage in general including her husband's legacy and also that fact that the Democrats did not run a very smart campaign plus the email problems and the FBI making a press release leading up to the climax of the election all created doubt in people's minds especially people that had not decided how they would vote plus the fact that most of the allegations against Trump happened conveniently in the past few weeks. I also think that many people are generally sick and tired of the Bush, Clinton, Kennedy names and Americans usually do change governments after 8 years anyway.

It's also amazing how many recent elections the polls have got wrong including the Brexit vote and the US election. The people that had had enough of Obama just saw Clinton continuing down the same path and it was too much for many of the voters to want more of the same. It was telling that so many newspapers endorsed Clinton but hardly any for Trump. Also amazing that one third of Hispanic males voted for Trump ! Many strange stats came out of the election and both parties will be scratching their heads. It seems that all of the media who thought that Clinton was over the line already got it badly wrong but so did many political commentators. The female vote for Clinton was much lower than she expected. Clinton was counting on sexism being a big issue for voters but it wasn't.
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I agree with most your post, but Brexit was quite predictable. All you had to see was the massive standing ovation that Boris got at the end of one of the hapless debates to realise it. The polls also predicted it (sort of). They were closing rapidly before the vote. Political Commentators got it wrong, because they have no actual knowledge of real people. My whole family managed to guess the result, we even better £50 on it.
 
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By far the biggest problem on the world stage about Trump is his stance on climate change. He could jeopardise the progress that has been made on a very real and extremely pressing issue. Too many people underestimate this and forget that the world is genuinely on the brink, and just forget about investing in renewable energy, instead just thinking about fracking as the ultimate answer.

Second is his stance towards nuclear weapons, which is just plain dumb. Hopefully a few republicans will knock some sense into him about this, though I doubt said republicans have any sense.

And I'm not sure if the dissolution of NATO is the best thing to do. Deescalating tensions with Russia is, perhaps by taking away bases but the dissolution is too far. The world is not peaceful enough for that. Perhaps because of NATO itself, but it's not worth risking it when there are other viable options.
 
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By far the biggest problem on the world stage about Trump is his stance on climate change. He could jeopardise the progress that has been made on a very real and extremely pressing issue. Too many people underestimate this and forget that the world is genuinely on the brink, and just forget about investing in renewable energy, instead just thinking about fracking as the ultimate answer.

Second is his stance towards nuclear weapons, which is just plain dumb. Hopefully a few republicans will knock some sense into him about this, though I doubt said republicans have any sense.

And I'm not sure if the dissolution of NATO is the best thing to do. Deescalating tensions with Russia is, perhaps by taking away bases but the dissolution is too far. The world is not peaceful enough for that. Perhaps because of NATO itself, but it's not worth risking it when there are other viable options.
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What will be interesting is how the US government controls the tension between Trump needing to act on some of his unlikely plans also seen as wreckless and how his colleagues try to control him. My guess is that he won't have delivered after four years and then will disappear. I just don't think he will get the backing for some of his more radical ideas and the promise of new jobs for everyone won't be realized anyway. Then again who knows, you can never tell how politicians will perform once in government and he has never been in politics before. The most likely for greatness often disappoint and sometimes the mediocre ones are much better than expected. How Trump copes under the US political system will be interesting to see unless like his TV show he intends to fire people continuously until he gets people that won't argue with him at all.

But I agree with you that the international problems and dealings could be where Trump has the most trouble and his lack of experience in that sphere means he will have to have talented people surrounding him and that is where his lack of diplomacy will be tested.
 
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movingtarget said:
Brullnux said:
By far the biggest problem on the world stage about Trump is his stance on climate change. He could jeopardise the progress that has been made on a very real and extremely pressing issue. Too many people underestimate this and forget that the world is genuinely on the brink, and just forget about investing in renewable energy, instead just thinking about fracking as the ultimate answer.

Second is his stance towards nuclear weapons, which is just plain dumb. Hopefully a few republicans will knock some sense into him about this, though I doubt said republicans have any sense.

And I'm not sure if the dissolution of NATO is the best thing to do. Deescalating tensions with Russia is, perhaps by taking away bases but the dissolution is too far. The world is not peaceful enough for that. Perhaps because of NATO itself, but it's not worth risking it when there are other viable options.
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What will be interesting is how the US government controls the tension between Trump needing to act on some of his unlikely plans also seen as wreckless and how his colleagues try to control him. My guess is that he won't have delivered after four years and then will disappear. I just don't think he will get the backing for some of his more radical ideas and the promise of new jobs for everyone won't be realized anyway. Then again who knows, you can never tell how politicians will perform once in government and he has never been in politics before. The most likely for greatness often disappoint and sometimes the mediocre ones are much better than expected. How Trump copes under the US political system will be interesting to see unless like his TV show he intends to fire people continuously until he gets people that won't argue with him at all.

But I agree with you that the international problems and dealings could be where Trump has the most trouble and his lack of experience in that sphere means he will have to have talented people surrounding him and that is where his lack of diplomacy will be tested.
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Newt-wit as SecState...yee farging gads. Send in the clowns.
 
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Does anybody what is going in Indonesia? One of my friends told me that he is out of Internet cos he must leave the country due to religious tension now.
 
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movingtarget said:
Brullnux said:
By far the biggest problem on the world stage about Trump is his stance on climate change. He could jeopardise the progress that has been made on a very real and extremely pressing issue. Too many people underestimate this and forget that the world is genuinely on the brink, and just forget about investing in renewable energy, instead just thinking about fracking as the ultimate answer.

Second is his stance towards nuclear weapons, which is just plain dumb. Hopefully a few republicans will knock some sense into him about this, though I doubt said republicans have any sense.

And I'm not sure if the dissolution of NATO is the best thing to do. Deescalating tensions with Russia is, perhaps by taking away bases but the dissolution is too far. The world is not peaceful enough for that. Perhaps because of NATO itself, but it's not worth risking it when there are other viable options.
Click to expand...

What will be interesting is how the US government controls the tension between Trump needing to act on some of his unlikely plans also seen as wreckless and how his colleagues try to control him. My guess is that he won't have delivered after four years and then will disappear. I just don't think he will get the backing for some of his more radical ideas and the promise of new jobs for everyone won't be realized anyway. Then again who knows, you can never tell how politicians will perform once in government and he has never been in politics before. The most likely for greatness often disappoint and sometimes the mediocre ones are much better than expected. How Trump copes under the US political system will be interesting to see unless like his TV show he intends to fire people continuously until he gets people that won't argue with him at all.

But I agree with you that the international problems and dealings could be where Trump has the most trouble and his lack of experience in that sphere means he will have to have talented people surrounding him and that is where his lack of diplomacy will be tested.
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Newt-wit as SecState...yee farging gads. Send in the clowns.
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My God that's disturbing.
 
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an interesting viewpoint from an expat living in Germany.

Could Trump happen in Germany?
http://www.dw.com/en/could-trump-happen-in-germany/a-36343307?maca=en-rss-en-world-4025-rdf

the article could be informative to some americans who, in my estimate, not only vaguely understand their own electoral college, but know virtually nothing about the european democratic model. curiously, the author went astray with mis-appreciating the value of the american popular vote..as was explained several times, a campaigning based on the electoral college skews the popular vote rendering it irrelevant to the outcome.

other than that the modern german democratic model - which is a good representation of the european proportional system - indeed is a serious impediment to electing mavericks like trump. foxxxy may disagree ;)
 
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