Where will John Bolton fit in a Trump gov't.? The scary people never go away.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bsuNYK4qWI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bsuNYK4qWI
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They're buds so he's in. Maybe Ann Coulter too.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=donald+trump+john+bolton
Be afraid.
blutto said:
They're buds so he's in. Maybe Ann Coulter too.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=donald+trump+john+bolton
Be afraid.
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Interesting. Both systems have their flaws I think. I have to admit I find the system in the USA an odd one but some Americans seem to think it's the fairest and most effective. After an election campaign that lasted for over 600 days i am glad it's all over. It was starting to become like a bad reality TV show and when reality has to be compared to a reality TV show you know it's time to put an end to it ! I don't think either of them will be happy about what has been captured on video regarding their behavior but of course Clinton will now be thinking of retirement and Trump is starting his first day of school so to speak and they won't be agonizing over it even though Hillary is probably drinking larger portions of scotch with her anti depressants at the moment ! We will see if that was the real Donald during the election or whether there is a more moderate, less arrogant one waiting in the wings. For the world stage you would hope so.
python said:an interesting viewpoint from an expat living in Germany.
Could Trump happen in Germany?
http://www.dw.com/en/could-trump-happen-in-germany/a-36343307?maca=en-rss-en-world-4025-rdf
the article could be informative to some americans who, in my estimate, not only vaguely understand their own electoral college, but know virtually nothing about the european democratic model. curiously, the author went astray with mis-appreciating the value of the american popular vote..as was explained several times, a campaigning based on the electoral college skews the popular vote rendering it irrelevant to the outcome.
other than that the modern german democratic model - which is a good representation of the european proportional system - indeed is a serious impediment to electing mavericks like trump. foxxxy may disagree
Interesting. Both systems have their flaws I think. I have to admit I find the system in the USA an odd one but some Americans seem to think it's the fairest and most effective. After an election campaign that lasted for over 600 days i am glad it's all over. It was starting to become like a bad reality TV show and when reality has to be compared to a reality TV show you know it's time to put an end to it ! I don't think either of them will be happy about what has been captured on video regarding their behavior but of course Clinton will now be thinking of retirement and Trump is starting his first day of school so to speak and they won't be agonizing over it even though Hillary is probably drinking larger portions of scotch with her anti depressants at the moment ! We will see if that was the real Donald during the election or whether there is a more moderate, less arrogant one waiting in the wings. For the world stage you would hope so.
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i just ponder if a proportional system would somehow facilitate a 3d viable party ? that, imo, would benefit both the us and the world. though, opinions may vary.
i consider the electoral college system outdated, particularly the super-delegates institution seems inherently undemocratic, but it's really up to americans to decide if they need a change...movingtarget said:python said:an interesting viewpoint from an expat living in Germany.
Could Trump happen in Germany?
http://www.dw.com/en/could-trump-happen-in-germany/a-36343307?maca=en-rss-en-world-4025-rdf
the article could be informative to some americans who, in my estimate, not only vaguely understand their own electoral college, but know virtually nothing about the european democratic model. curiously, the author went astray with mis-appreciating the value of the american popular vote..as was explained several times, a campaigning based on the electoral college skews the popular vote rendering it irrelevant to the outcome.
other than that the modern german democratic model - which is a good representation of the european proportional system - indeed is a serious impediment to electing mavericks like trump. foxxxy may disagree
Interesting. Both systems have their flaws I think. I have to admit I find the system in the USA an odd one.....
i just ponder if a proportional system would somehow facilitate a 3d viable party ? that, imo, would benefit both the us and the world. though, opinions may vary.
Well in Germany the AfD (Alternativ fuer Deutschland), which is less than 5 years old, has already gained a significant amount of support, long before Trump even hinted at the 2016 presidential candidacy. I think there are some similar issues facing Europe, Germany in particular, but there are also many different issues in that country. Just like there is in France, where Marine Le Pen's far right "National Front" has gained popularity over the years as has Orban in Hungary, Austria has had several spells of far right populism over the past 20 years (now they are on the brink), Holland is also heading that direction. I think the EU and the immigration disaster has played a significant role in the rise of far right parties and nationalism. I can't say I am surprised. People of all political spectrums are not happy. The politicians and institutions in power over the past 10-15 years have created this problem and have dug themselves a grave. That's why there is a rise in anti-establishment politics and rhetoric on the right but also on the left (though they aren't quite as vocal in Europe, or indeed America).
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Interesting post, and very interesting topic. Let's just have a look at the important and influential EU states' polls right now:
Germany
CDU/CSU: 33
SPD: 23
Linke: 10
Green: 11
AfD: 13
Others: 5
Italy
PD: 33
M5S: 29
Lega: 13
Forza Italia: 11
Others: 12
Belgium-Flanders
N-VA: 28
CD&V: 17
Open Vld.: 13
S.p.a: 15
Green: 11
Vlaams Belang: 11
Others: 5
Belgium-Wallonia
PS: 25
MR: 23
cdH: 10
Ecolo: 9
PTB: 14
PP: 6
Holland (Seats):
VVD: 28
PVV: 26
SP: 14
PvdA: 11
CDA: 18
D66: 16
GL: 10
Austria:
FPO: 51
Greens: 49
Sweden:
S: 26
M: 23
SD: 19
V: 8
C: 8
Denmark:
A: 27
O: 17
V: 18
Left/Green: 9
I: 7
Spain
PP: 35
Podemos: 22
PSOE: 19
C's: 12
Poland:
PiS: 33
.N: 18
PO: 15
K'15: 9
France:
LR (Juppe): 30
FN: 28
PS: 15
Gauche: 15
So what can we see from this? Well, the rise of the right wing populist parties has mostly been stemmed. The AfD seem to be filling a UKIP like role in Germnay; in Italy, Lega Nord has not grown since the summer of 2015; Vlaams Belang has not increased its support significantly; PVV, while being consitently at the top for the last year or more has not jumped into the lead; in Austria the race remains 50/50; the Swedish Democrats have remained at a solid 20 per secnt or slightly below, but have no chance of entering in power as it seems all the larger parties refuse to go into coalition with them; in Denmark the O's are actually getting smaller, and at quite some rate; for the Spanish this porblem is non-existent; while in Poland they are in government. Perhaps the most pressing issue right now in terms of the right wing parties in Europe is Le Pen and the FN. However, Le Pen loses the run off to everyone important but Hollande and doesn'y seem to get even close to her most likely opponent, Juppe, consisitently losing 65 to 35 or thereabouts.
There is also a fairly strong resurgence of the Left in some parts of Europe. Spain has seen Podemos rise and almost become the main party of the left; Germany has 43% of the people voting for a left-of-cenre party, perhaps enough to oust Merkel next year if they create a coalition; the PTB in Wallonia is a true worker's party, with strong Marxist roots still apparent and very quickly gaining in the polls. In France, the Guache are seeing great success, with a real chance at beating the PS at the next election. Even in the UK, with the SNP in Scotland doing extremely well and Corbyn the socialist as thr leader of the opposition, doing less well but all is not lost, we see the left - the traditional strong left - showing its face once more.
The populist right is not gaining particularly fast anymore, instead it looks like all across Europe it has stalled, struggling to entice new voters. The left, on the other hand, seems to be growing quicker. It is still a very slow growth, but with more and more people growing disenchanted with the centrist parties, we can expect the left to make a bit more of a comeback, perhaps surpassing their right-wing counterparts in some countries. We shall see with the plethora of elections in 2017 if the right truly have such a foothold.
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The populist parties could never rule alone though in The Netherlands, Austria, Denmark, etc.
They always have to compromise, and that shaves off the sharpest edges.
A dichotomous system combined with a winner-takes-all system, combined with a disproportional voting system like you have in the US is very, very bad in my eyes.
Brullnux gives you the numbers as an illustration.
(must be noted that the Austrian ones are deceptive - these are not actually the polls for the actual government)
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Hadn't seen this story, but it makes me very sad.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/nov/01/louis-smith-banned-british-gymnastics-video-mocking-islam
Free speech is under serious assault. How can a supposedly Liberal country ban (or at least an organization it funds) ban people for making a stupid frat video that hurts no one. He's an idiot, but if he insulted any other group like that it would be perfectly ok.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/nov/01/louis-smith-banned-british-gymnastics-video-mocking-islam
Free speech is under serious assault. How can a supposedly Liberal country ban (or at least an organization it funds) ban people for making a stupid frat video that hurts no one. He's an idiot, but if he insulted any other group like that it would be perfectly ok.
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What a joke. It's also a dangerous thing to do as has been seen in the past.
The Hitch said:
What a joke. It's also a dangerous thing to do as has been seen in the past.
Did a Canadian diver find a lost nuclear bomb off the coast of Haida Gwaii?
http://www.cbc.ca/radio/day6/episode-311-brexit-survivors-advice-to-america-trump-s-business-conflicts-leonard-cohen-and-more-1.3846331/did-a-canadian-diver-find-a-lost-nuclear-bomb-off-the-coast-of-haida-gwaii-1.3846349
...the search for intelligent life continues.
http://www.cbc.ca/radio/day6/episode-311-brexit-survivors-advice-to-america-trump-s-business-conflicts-leonard-cohen-and-more-1.3846331/did-a-canadian-diver-find-a-lost-nuclear-bomb-off-the-coast-of-haida-gwaii-1.3846349
...the search for intelligent life continues.
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almost simultaneously 2 european states lean east...
Pro-Russia presidential candidates tipped to win in Bulgaria and Moldova
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/13/pro-russia-presidential-candidates-tipped-to-win-in-bulgaria-and-moldova
i dont know much about those 2. still surprised with bulgaria (a fully fledged nato and the eu member) and less so with moldova (an eu aspiring, battle ground state almost as torn apart as ukraine). i also, read that there is a strong historical, emotinal and orthodox connections btwn the bulgars and the rus.
Pro-Russia presidential candidates tipped to win in Bulgaria and Moldova
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/13/pro-russia-presidential-candidates-tipped-to-win-in-bulgaria-and-moldova
i dont know much about those 2. still surprised with bulgaria (a fully fledged nato and the eu member) and less so with moldova (an eu aspiring, battle ground state almost as torn apart as ukraine). i also, read that there is a strong historical, emotinal and orthodox connections btwn the bulgars and the rus.
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Well, one of our (progressives/liberals) hopes for the future of the Democratic party is also a "Russian stooge..."
https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/files/2015/10/TulsiTweets.png
python said:
Well, one of our (progressives/liberals) hopes for the future of the Democratic party is also a "Russian stooge..."
https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/files/2015/10/TulsiTweets.png
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I think there could be a lot more trouble ahead for the EU and maybe NATO as well depending on the the new US government and how they view things. Not to mention that Greece is asking for more money again. It will be fascinating to watch the US Russia relations in the next few years as Trump will be under big pressure from both sides regarding Putin. Whether Trump is full of hot air in regards to Japan, Korea and NATO and the support the US will provide or whether he is deadly serious about cut backs remains to be seen. Some of his comments have caused consternation in US military circles.
python said:
I think there could be a lot more trouble ahead for the EU and maybe NATO as well depending on the the new US government and how they view things. Not to mention that Greece is asking for more money again. It will be fascinating to watch the US Russia relations in the next few years as Trump will be under big pressure from both sides regarding Putin. Whether Trump is full of hot air in regards to Japan, Korea and NATO and the support the US will provide or whether he is deadly serious about cut backs remains to be seen. Some of his comments have caused consternation in US military circles.
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i read 2 research articles by the carnegie foundation some while back (certainly not the rt nor sputnik or the likes...), where the premise of the link you posted was disputed. certainly something took place in chernoghoria, some kind of external (to chernoghoria) meddling into their politics took place. but, per the articles, there was never an official confirmation (by either of the 3 countries involved) of the extradition nor the specific finger pointed at vlad . of course, it does not mean his intel was not messing around in there, but what is not being said or is being attempted to distract from is the serbian role.
serbia has long been trying to influence its former ugoslav neighbors while balancing between the eu aspirations and the rus ties. a rumour of the expulsion (never officially confirmed) may have been designed to quietly hush a joint operation with vlad that for all intents and purposes had gone astray...just sayn'
regarding the quoted post, both the bulgar and the moldova front runners are confirmed won. yes, it a bad news for the eu but not so much for nato. bulgaria simply joined the south east european block of states (italy, greece, cyprus, slovakia....) that made it increasingly clear the opposed the anti-vlad sanctions. note, they opposed it by NEVER used the power to veto it now, with the threat of such a veto may mean the sanctions may soon expire. there is absolutely no evidence to call any of those countries pro-russian yet. but such is the stupid tradition in the western msm, a slight show of rationality due to economic seld-interest is instantly termed selling to russia. regarding the moldova elections, i see a situation similar with yanuk winning in the ukraine proir to the putsch and then being deposed by force and deceit.
the nato's biggest headacke is not trump (yet) but turkey, its mercurial president that no-one should trust.
1st, regarding your post/link previous to the quoted one...movingtarget said:
i read 2 research articles by the carnegie foundation some while back (certainly not the rt nor sputnik or the likes...), where the premise of the link you posted was disputed. certainly something took place in chernoghoria, some kind of external (to chernoghoria) meddling into their politics took place. but, per the articles, there was never an official confirmation (by either of the 3 countries involved) of the extradition nor the specific finger pointed at vlad . of course, it does not mean his intel was not messing around in there, but what is not being said or is being attempted to distract from is the serbian role.
serbia has long been trying to influence its former ugoslav neighbors while balancing between the eu aspirations and the rus ties. a rumour of the expulsion (never officially confirmed) may have been designed to quietly hush a joint operation with vlad that for all intents and purposes had gone astray...just sayn'
regarding the quoted post, both the bulgar and the moldova front runners are confirmed won. yes, it a bad news for the eu but not so much for nato. bulgaria simply joined the south east european block of states (italy, greece, cyprus, slovakia....) that made it increasingly clear the opposed the anti-vlad sanctions. note, they opposed it by NEVER used the power to veto it now, with the threat of such a veto may mean the sanctions may soon expire. there is absolutely no evidence to call any of those countries pro-russian yet. but such is the stupid tradition in the western msm, a slight show of rationality due to economic seld-interest is instantly termed selling to russia. regarding the moldova elections, i see a situation similar with yanuk winning in the ukraine proir to the putsch and then being deposed by force and deceit.
the nato's biggest headacke is not trump (yet) but turkey, its mercurial president that no-one should trust.
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Yes I think Turkey is causing headaches as they seem to shift ground a lot.......seem to shift ground ! Media reports about Turkey are so changeable especially regarding their ties to the USA and Russia. It seems to change daily ! They seem to be consistent on the Kurds but not much else. Even the so called coup attempt could have been a gigantic sham and their locking down of the more open minded Turkish media supports that.
python said:
Yes I think Turkey is causing headaches as they seem to shift ground a lot.......seem to shift ground ! Media reports about Turkey are so changeable especially regarding their ties to the USA and Russia. It seems to change daily ! They seem to be consistent on the Kurds but not much else. Even the so called coup attempt could have been a gigantic sham and their locking down of the more open minded Turkish media supports that.
I wonder what Trump and Putin talked about in their phone call.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/16/horror-has-come-back-to-aleppo-airstrikes-continue-in-rebel-held-east
Here's a fantastic, accessible interview with Assad. Some western leaders would do well to imitate his open, direct style of answering questions without obfuscating or avoiding them. For example, when asked if Syria was a democracy, he plainly answered "No, we were on the way to democracy. We didn’t say that we are fully democratic, we were on the way, we were moving forward".
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article45853.htm
John Swanson
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article45853.htm
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....you following the progress of the forces of democracy and apple pie fighting the good fight in Yemen ?....its a good one...good guys vs evil ones, all certified and everything....hospitals and schools and weddings and stuff being bombed using real shiny stuff from the shiny city....its a real blast....
Cheers
Bustedknuckle said:
....you following the progress of the forces of democracy and apple pie fighting the good fight in Yemen ?....its a good one...good guys vs evil ones, all certified and everything....hospitals and schools and weddings and stuff being bombed using real shiny stuff from the shiny city....its a real blast....
Cheers
Corruption In Ukraine
http://p.nytimes.com/email/re?location=4z5Q7LhI+KVBjmEgFdYACPLKh239P3pgWoL4QXFablKj5Yyb5MF6xNaipn6NEJM0Q8FE8X93wog99nQ4Syjwv5NqBpjw5ZxAb1yIs5goWl0jMTIRW8nAW8xWIPOYU0HYqmxpH5U8Wo0ofumKVUbCXHe4aJAPmOjPtrayHouoyzU=&campaign_id=129&instance_id=86592&segment_id=98418&user_id=12d98412e3bcc0522f6cfbf4c21c54e6®i_id=42685115
A thankless task trying to reform government corruption when it's so entrenched but of course many countries have the same problem but Ukraine seemed to have turned it into an art form. No wonder the public just shakes it's collective head and wonders why their pay is so low but prices keep going up !
http://p.nytimes.com/email/re?location=4z5Q7LhI+KVBjmEgFdYACPLKh239P3pgWoL4QXFablKj5Yyb5MF6xNaipn6NEJM0Q8FE8X93wog99nQ4Syjwv5NqBpjw5ZxAb1yIs5goWl0jMTIRW8nAW8xWIPOYU0HYqmxpH5U8Wo0ofumKVUbCXHe4aJAPmOjPtrayHouoyzU=&campaign_id=129&instance_id=86592&segment_id=98418&user_id=12d98412e3bcc0522f6cfbf4c21c54e6®i_id=42685115
A thankless task trying to reform government corruption when it's so entrenched but of course many countries have the same problem but Ukraine seemed to have turned it into an art form. No wonder the public just shakes it's collective head and wonders why their pay is so low but prices keep going up !
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