World Politics

[L'arriviste]

you were just getting close to where i used to live… yesterday was common stomping ground… just feels too close to home, even if i'm not there any more.

There was an evacuation of sorts but the alert was shortly after dismissed as a false alarm.

 

[blackcat]

I don't believe there are many here who would place in doubt the rallying effects on jihad that the quixotic "Shock and Awe" campaign had in furthering the cause of the so-called Clash. However, to suggest that Charlie Hebdo was another weapon in that arsenal is misguided.

It is a domestic affair, purely a response to the fanatical Islamic matrix within France itself, the fruit of a not fortuitous Alegerian (and N. African) colonialism to which, if anything, Michel Houellebecq's Soumission that envisions France being ruled by a Muslim in 2022 is a corollary phenomenon.

no, Michael Haneke's Cache (Hidden). http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387898/

re: shock and awe: I said context. I did not say driving force. The conflagration that Cheney and Bush wanted, put Huntington front and centre.

 

[blackcat]

I can't get with this post. Better yet I just totally disagree.

Rewind the clock all you want but this is all about Muzlim Terrorist not wanting anyone to write anything about their prophet.

Keep apologizing all you want. The only thing these Terrorist Muzlims want from us in the west is submission.

not what I am saying Glenn. I aint offering an apologia. Just the analysis. There will always be disaffected people, but how many people were blamed for Shining Path, Red Flag, Red Army Brigades, Baader Meinhoff, IRA, ETA... you never impugned a couple of billion people because there were some terrorist groups killing people. You never prosecuted judaism when Baruch Goldstein the America doctor from Brooklyn killed 30 people on the Temple Mount. You never indicted all students of America when the Weather Underground was setting off bombs. You never prosecuted your Navy for downing Iranian passenger airline 655. ad infinitum. this can do down a rabbit hole, but the American foreign interventions over the past century have seen tens of millions perish. A couple of brown terrorists got u scared brah?

 

[Semper Fidelis]

not what I am saying Glenn. I aint offering an apologia. Just the analysis. There will always be disaffected people, but how many people were blamed for Shining Path, Red Flag, Red Army Brigades, Baader Meinhoff, IRA, ETA... you never impugned a couple of billion people because there were some terrorist groups killing people. You never prosecuted judaism when Baruch Goldstein the America doctor from Brooklyn killed 30 people on the Temple Mount. You never indicted all students of America when the Weather Underground was setting off bombs. You never prosecuted your Navy for downing Iranian passenger airline 655. ad infinitum. this can do down a rabbit hole, but the American foreign interventions over the past century have seen tens of millions perish. A couple of brown terrorists got u scared brah?

not scared brah. I still have my trigger finger.

And while I don't blame all Muslims - I do find it sad that the leaders of that religion do not come out in protest against these stone age jihad-ist who show up all the time.

 

[blackcat]

not scared brah. I still have my trigger finger.

And while I don't blame all Muslims - I do find it sad that the leaders of that religion do not come out in protest against these stone age jihad-ist who show up all the time.

the "scared" was rhetoric, and sarcasm.

Glenn, think "Why?", why do you only hear the most outspoken virulent fire-breathing extremists in your media, in my media? Because of "cut-thru". They do good tv. They do spectacle. They hit an emotional button for the viewer. We wont hear of the equivalent fire-breathing goy hating rabbis in Tel-Aviv like Max Blumenthal has adequately filmed and analysed, they dont fit the narrative of enemy, of brown person, of other, of oriental.

You are selecting a narrow sample, that the media in manhattan at nbc and cnn have already filtered. They wont show peaceful individuals of cosmopolitan and international maturity, speak as muslims, because they cannot do the character they are after.

so you get the self-selective sample that has as its barrier to entry, the huminatarian individual that is like some regular folk from Dearborn MI and dont wish ill on the world. Your media never gives these people who are the majority, their space. They just promote the firebreathers.

see this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyQYBxela4I

 

[frenchfry]

not scared brah. I still have my trigger finger.

And while I don't blame all Muslims - I do find it sad that the leaders of that religion do not come out in protest against these stone age jihad-ist who show up all the time.

Some leaders do protest, but I fear they are only "political" and hold their positions so they will receive government money and get invited to shindings at the Elysée. Apparently the hors d'oeuvres there are to die for.

The real leaders are fuelling the hate.

 

[ScienceIsCool]

not scared brah. I still have my trigger finger.

And while I don't blame all Muslims - I do find it sad that the leaders of that religion do not come out in protest against these stone age jihad-ist who show up all the time.

Or maybe they do come out and protest, but you never hear about it because it doesn't fit the media's narrative. Google "muslim leaders reject" and be prepared for a surprise.

John Swanson

 

[rhubroma]

no, Michael Haneke's Cache (Hidden). http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387898/

re: shock and awe: I said context. I did not say driving force. The conflagration that Cheney and Bush wanted, put Huntington front and centre.

Oh there is no doubt that "Shock and Awe" has done nothing but create the IS. And there isn't any doubt either that that put Huntington front and center as a result. Whether or not the Charlie Hebdo satyrical motives were ultimately a response to this, or whether they were pretty much bound to a domestic struggle, now expanded internationally, or whether the exaspiration of such domestic concerns were contingent upon "Shock and Awe" in the growing anti-Western malaise, to which Charlie Hebdo responded in kind with disapproval of the pathagon in its society, is hard to tell.

What is certain, however, is that a Fatwa, for whatever caused it, is simply intolerable.

The "Clash" becomes inevitable when violence is the only resort to conflict resolution. The irony is that the jihadists want nothing more than this Clash and, from what I hear among some political pundits, there are millions of suckers who are willing to be drawn in to it.

 

[Amsterhammer]

not scared brah. I still have my trigger finger.

And while I don't blame all Muslims - I do find it sad that the leaders of that religion do not come out in protest against these stone age jihad-ist who show up all the time.

Gunshots and explosions heard at both venues.

Glenn, your media of choice is misinforming you. I have had to debunk this crap so many times.....the events in Paris have been roundly and thoroughly condemned by French and other European imams, representatives of all kinds of Muslim organizations and, more importantly, in official statements by the governments of Egypt, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar, to name just the most surprising ones. The only people to have officially 'welcomed' the killings are ISIS.

 

[patricknd]

Gunshots and explosions herd at both venues.

Glenn, your media of choice is misinforming you. I have had to debunk this crap so many times.....the events in Paris have been roundly and thoroughly condemned by French and other European imams, representatives of all kinds of Muslim organizations and, more importantly, in official statements by the governments of Egypt, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar, to name just the most surprising ones. The only people to have officially 'welcomed' the killings are ISIS.

"officially" being the key word, of course

 

[Amsterhammer]

As yet unconfirmed - both brothers dead, all six hostages at the Jewish deli also dead.

All hostages alive, the brothers and the other lone perp all dead.

 

[thirteen]

As yet unconfirmed - both brothers dead, all six hostages at the Jewish deli also dead.

All hostages alive, the brothers and the other lone perp all dead.

sadly, it's looking like some hostages were killed… and the woman escaped, so all is not over.

 

[frenchfry]

Gunshots and explosions heard at both venues.

Glenn, your media of choice is misinforming you. I have had to debunk this crap so many times.....the events in Paris have been roundly and thoroughly condemned by French and other European imams, representatives of all kinds of Muslim organizations and, more importantly, in official statements by the governments of Egypt, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar, to name just the most surprising ones. The only people to have officially 'welcomed' the killings are ISIS.

and Echoes

 

[frenchfry]

sadly, it's looking like some hostages were killed… and the woman escaped, so all is not over.

latest reports are 4 hostages killed

 

[blackcat]

Oh there is no doubt that "Shock and Awe" has done nothing but create the IS. And there isn't any doubt either that that put Huntington front and center as a result. Whether or not the Charlie Hebdo satyrical motives were ultimately a response to this, or whether they were pretty much bound to a domestic struggle, now expanded internationally, or whether the exaspiration of such domestic concerns were contingent upon "Shock and Awe" in the growing anti-Western malaise, to which Charlie Hebdo responded in kind with disapproval of the pathagon in its society, is hard to tell.

What is certain, however, is that a Fatwa, for whatever caused it, is simply intolerable.

The "Clash" becomes inevitable when violence is the only resort to conflict resolution. The irony is that the jihadists want nothing more than this Clash and, from what I hear among some political pundits, there are millions of suckers who are willing to be drawn in to it.

from where are the millions? I could provide them also, but I cant see if the millions are the christian Westerner given Obama a mandate, or someone flying to Istanbul or Ankara to take a jeep south to take up the cudgel or is the million or millions coming from half from either side, i could see those numbers as more than plausible

 

[thirteen]

latest reports are 4 hostages killed

5 dead and 4 in serious condition is what i'm hearing now

 

[Maaaaaaaarten]

Sorry for the off-topic; but just a side note;

...hmmm....never considered Alan Watt and Alfred North Whitehead as liars...must be more naïve than I thought possible...

...so please pray tell who do you rely upon for your insight in these matters?...

Cheers

Echoes gave you some French sources already, but if you want an English source:

Religion and the Rise of Modern Science - Reijer Hooykaas

 

[del1962]

5 dead and 4 in serious condition is what i'm hearing now

Terrible news

 

[python]

just got through listening to a discussion on france24 about how and whether the term islamo-facism is applicable to the latest tragic events...

while i personally don't like ANY political tags, i got a feeling that some, if not all discussants, were less informed and articulate than some having used the term in this thread...a splendid and ugly bunch of pompous posers in such a tragic situation

 

[mrhender]

French warned about attack? etc....

Has the allegations of Sorcha Faal been discussed here, or in the media at all? What do you make of this, and the source?

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1830.htm

A grim Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) report circulating in the Kremlin this late afternoon warns that a “total war” scenario now exists in Saudi Arabia after the French government failed to heed Saudi warnings this past weekend of an imminent terror attack, which, in fact, did occur earlier today when Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIS) terrorists attacked the French satirical newspaper Charlie Hebdo in Paris killing at least 12.

According to this report, Saudi Crown Prince Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud delivered the warning of the impending attack against Charlie Hebdo to French Defense Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian this past Sunday, but which Paris authorities failed to act upon.

Prince Al Saud, this report continues, specifically warned Defense Minister Le Drian that ISIS affiliated factions within Saudi Arabia headed by Prince Muqrin bin Abdulaziz, whom he is in contention with to succeed the near-death King Abdullah ibn Abdilazīz, are intent upon embroiling the entire Middle East in war over their fears that the collapse of the US Dollar, along with the vastly accelerating Russian, Canadian and American oil reserves, will destroy their kingdom.

Important to note, this report says, is that King Abdullah assumed the throne in 2005 as the country's sixth king. His immediate successor, Crown Prince Al Saud, is 79 and also reportedly in poor health and Abdullah named his youngest brother, Prince Muqrin, as the deputy heir last March.

Even more critical to note, SVR analysts in this report say, is that Prince Muqrin, as the former head of the General Intelligence Presidency (GIP), is a protégé of Prince Bandar bin Sultan who, also, once headed the Saudi spy agency GIP, and in August, 2013, issued a tacit threat to President Putin to have terrorist attacks carried out in Russia at the Winter Olympics in February 2014, should the Federation continue to support the Assad regime in Syria.

Where Putin, however, responded to the Saudi threats by ordering a massive retaliation against them should they carry out strikes against the Federation, this report says, French authorities did nothing to protect their citizens today.

Even worse, this report continues, the Obama regime “more than likely”, also, had advanced notice of the attack against Charlie Hebdo after the brazen 14 August attack conducted by US Special Warfare Development Group (DEVGRU) commandos against an 11 vehicle Saudi Arabian convoy last night nearing Porte de la Chapelle in northern Paris as it was heading for Le Bourget airport after leaving the Saudi Embassy.

According to the SVR’s previous report of the attack on this Saudi convoy in Paris, and as confirmed by various media sources, the convoy was protecting an as yet unnamed Saudi prince who was briefly detained by these highly-trained DEVGRU commandos, and who were able to not only conduct their mission without firing a shot, but were also able to secure the “sensitive documents” they were after.

To the specific “sensitive documents” captured by the Americans from this Saudi convoy, this report says, are believed to be the GIP’s full “war plan” that includes the use of what are called ISIS “ebola martyrs” that the World Health Organization (WHO) reported this week are now turning up in Iraq, and, even more damaging to the Saudis, the “money trails” used to finance these terrorists.

Of greatest concern to the Federation regarding this Saudi/ISIS attack upon France today, this report warns, is it occurring at the same time ISIS terrorists have begun to attack Saudi Arabia itself, while at the same time Iranian hawks are urging restive Shia Muslims in eastern Saudi Arabia to rebel against the ruling House of Saud.

And as global oil prices have now fallen below $50 (US), this report further warns, Saudi Arabia’s vow to not cut production in its “Berlin or Bust” oil strategy it has bet its future on appears to have taken a “dark turn” with today’s attack upon Paris, but which SVR analysts point out the Saudi’s have no intention of backing down from.

To the ramifications of today’s attack, it is also interesting to note, one of America’s top billionaire investors, Jeffery Gundlach, equally warned this week that: “Oil is incredibly important right now. If oil falls to around $40 a barrel then I think the yield on ten year treasury note is going to 1%. I hope it does not go to $40 because then something is very, very wrong with the world, not just the economy. The geopolitical consequences could be – to put it bluntly – terrifying.”

As to how “terrifying” it has truly become as this global oil war expands, one need look no further than the blood-stained streets of Paris today…but still ask why neither the French or Americans did anything to stop it. After all, if Putin was able to stop the Saudis/ISIS from attacking the Federation, why couldn’t they?

 

[blutto]

Sorry for the off-topic; but just a side note;



Echoes gave you some French sources already, but if you want an English source:

Religion and the Rise of Modern Science - Reijer Hooykaas

...thanks muchly...

Cheers

 

[blutto]

...Pepe on Charlie....for what its worth...and do note he hasn't been wrong often....

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/World/WOR-01-080115.html

" And as an Italian analyst memorably put it, jihadis don't attack a vulture hedge fund; they attack a satirical rag. This is not religion; this is hardcore geopolitics. "

Cheers

 

[rhubroma]

from where are the millions? I could provide them also, but I cant see if the millions are the christian Westerner given Obama a mandate, or someone flying to Istanbul or Ankara to take a jeep south to take up the cudgel or is the million or millions coming from half from either side, i could see those numbers as more than plausible

I don't think it's the Christian Westerner given Obama a mandate, mostly because that block tends to vote republican and smugly today says "see, I told you so. Muslims are violent and irrecuperabe in terms of democracy." Personally, though I may merely be optimistic, or perhaps disingenuous, but I recognize myself in the conclusion that says the (majority of) "Muslims in Europe need to take on the responsibility for the jihadist question, and fight the monster side by side with us."

I don't know which of the positions is more realistic: the one that bets on the pacific majority, or those that expect the prepotency of the minority. But what I do know, without a doubt, is which is worth working on.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Gunshots and explosions heard at both venues.

Glenn, your media of choice is misinforming you. I have had to debunk this crap so many times.....the events in Paris have been roundly and thoroughly condemned by French and other European imams, representatives of all kinds of Muslim organizations and, more importantly, in official statements by the governments of Egypt, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar, to name just the most surprising ones. The only people to have officially 'welcomed' the killings are ISIS.

Amster please tell ME who my choice of Media is?

You guys go ahead and label whatever you please.

The jihadest would be doing this regardless and in the name of religion. Same goes for the fools who bomb abortion clinics in the name of Christianity. Serious fools. Yet in some way we are to submit to this and not say anything.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

I don't think it's the Christian Westerner given Obama a mandate, mostly because that block tends to vote republican and smugly today says "see, I told you so. Muslims are violent and irrecuperabe in terms of democracy." Personally, though I may merely be optimistic, or perhaps disingenuous, but I recognize myself in the conclusion that says the (majority of) "Muslims in Europe need to take on the responsibility for the jihadist question, and fight the monster side by side with us."

I don't know which of the positions is more realistic: the one that bets on the pacific majority, or those that expect the prepotency of the minority. But what I do know, without a doubt, is which is worth working on.

Well said rhubroma. Thanks for the great post.