World Politics

[buckwheat]

Put your politics down for a second and look at North's career. He was on the libs hit-list for some time but the guy, like you, served this Country and his commanders. I'll take my hat off for that.

Until he decided to break the law for his own purposes.

He's a tool that likes to draw attention to himself.

Truman fired MacArthur, nuff said.

 

[buckwheat]

Specific response to what? You put words into my mouth and I call you out on it...the problem with you is that you are completely unable to think objectively. I am conservative leaning...however, I am against the war in Iraq and the middle east...I work for an environmental firm...I consider myself educated and well rounded enough that I can learn from others (rhubroma) as I don't have the time to read the same things he does. However, all you want to do is call conservatives names, and insult. My guess is you only read liberal print...books...and espouse what they say. At least I can say I vote and act with my own brain.

And back to the point...I never said I wanted to smack the hand of those needing help...if there are systems in place so that I know they are working to help themselves.

Focus on the big boys rather than the poor unfortunates who are scrambling for meals.

You and the rest of the conservatives remind me of John Bolton, a kiss up, kick down type of guy.

 

[TRDean]

Focus on the big boys rather than the poor unfortunates who are scrambling for meals.

That is your response?? Nice...really shallow...

I focus on my family...if I raise my kids up well and educated and compassionalte the world will be a better place.

 

[Anonymous]

Until he decided to break the law for his own purposes.

He's a tool that likes to draw attention to himself.

Truman fired MacArthur, nuff said.

All lib talking points all the time. Ok Buck, no common ground to be found. Have a good day.

 

[buckwheat]

That is your response?? Nice...really shallow...

I focus on my family...if I raise my kids up well and educated and compassionalte the world will be a better place.

Shallow?

You were given a helping hand and yet you put yourself on the conservative side of things?

What would you like me to say?

Many of those at the top end have demonstrated their disdain for the poor and blame them for their station. It's obvious. I'm with the underdog always.

You chose your side and you want to have it both ways. I'm sorry you have delicate sensibilities and are under delusions.

 

[buckwheat]

That is your response?? Nice...really shallow...

I focus on my family...if I raise my kids up well and educated and compassionalte the world will be a better place.

Edit: thought I was responding to Scott's Ollie post.

Tough guy self promotion is understood to be bad form. Just the way it is.

Surviving is kind of like avoiding crashes. Luck mostly.

Just when you think you're above something, down you go.

 

[TRDean]

Edit: thought I was responding to Scott's Ollie post.

Tough guy self promotion is understood to be bad form. Just the way it is.

Surviving is kind of like avoiding crashes. Luck mostly.

Just when you think you're above something, down you go.

No delicate sensibilities here...

 

[fatandfast]

buckwheat... that I am always on the side of the underdog thing is pretty funny. Some would be insulted that you think they are the underdog. You sound like Sharpton or Shawn Hannity you can immediately see who needs help and assume they want it. Had Bush not started a war, 100's of 1000's would have not had any military record to speak of, the fact that you have or have not been to war was almost bread out of our current American culture until Bush forced it to fashion. Aside from holding a gun it can be very important to raise good citizens as some other people pointed out as their civic contribution.Oliver North is a complete tool. Hints all over S.Cal that he helped fund a Contra/crack ring and sidestepped direct questions in his pursuit of patriotism. Like the UK trails the US should seek a special counsel to see if any war crimes/regular crimes were committed by the past administrations even if it result in no punishment other than public shame...now that is patriotic. Test the republic

 

[patricknd]

nyet......

when did you ets?

 

[buckwheat]

buckwheat... that I am always on the side of the underdog thing is pretty funny. Some would be insulted that you think they are the underdog.

I had my pride beaten out of me a long time ago.

Try Ecclesiastes 9:11.

You sound like Sharpton or Shawn Hannity you can immediately see who needs help and assume they want it..

Call me crazy but I'm assuming when a frantic Mom takes a child to the ER she wants help. When people work two jobs and still can't make ends meet, you know, I'm assuming they might need some help.

This stuff is really kind of obvious.

Had Bush not started a war, 100's of 1000's would have not had any military record to speak of, the fact that you have or have not been to war was almost bread out of our current American culture until Bush forced it to fashion. Aside from holding a gun it can be very important to raise good citizens as some other people pointed out as their civic contribution...

Dude, I have no idea what you're getting at. Is it that Mao said "all political power grows out of the barrel of a gun?" That's unfortunate.

Hey, do you know that Mao's "On Guerilla Warfare" was on the USMC Commandant's recommended reading list? It's all about the most effective killing methods and the best soldiers take their instructions from anywhere.

You know, setting up ambushes and other such pleasant activities.

Oliver North is a complete tool. Hints all over S.Cal that he helped fund a Contra/crack ring and sidestepped direct questions in his pursuit of patriotism. Like the UK trails the US should seek a special counsel to see if any war crimes/regular crimes were committed by the past administrations even if it result in no punishment other than public shame...now that is patriotic. Test the republic

Hey, why not?

 

[buckwheat]

when did you ets?

My age is somewhere here. Doesn't really matter though.

I'm out.

 

[buckwheat]

No delicate sensibilities here...

Actually, yes.

It seems that words of those on this forum offend you, but the results of activities promoted by conservatives don't.

Kind of like the people who are "offended" by the sight of vagrants and homeless and label them bums.

 

[fatandfast]

buckwheat my pride was also pounded out of me while serving on installations and ships that had Marines as part of the command. Although a dept of the Navy the Marines put lots of work into the development of the punching muscle groups. Which young Marines feel the need to test on any head in punching distance. I wouldn't want it any other way.

As has been asserted all over the country, the woman with 2 jobs and a sick child and logical/conventional/normal path to health care is indeed the real problem. The right wing solution/answer that she has access via the emergency room is BS. The armed forces style health care works best and costs less. 90% of most diags are you need rest and a couple of tablets that can be done by a person with less training than a doctor.

America is at the crossroad of admitting we need to change,our corp oversight, huge gas guzzlers we produce and drive, silly farm based education that promotes 3 months off for farm work that kids never do less hours in the classroom than any other western country, to an industrialized tank building mecca that has been proven easy to defeat by 100 or hardworking camel riding radicals.

 

[TRDean]

Actually, yes.

It seems that words of those on this forum offend you, but the results of activities promoted by conservatives don't.

Kind of like the people who are "offended" by the sight of vagrants and homeless and label them bums.

The only thing that offends me is you..and your constant attacks on people you don't even know. Yet you are so compassionate...shovel your crap to someone else...I am done with you.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Max Cleleand on Dick Cheney back a couple of years ago. Watch here.

Jesse Ventura (former Navy UDT member - SEAL before the UDT were SEALS) called Cheney a "chicken hawk": chicken when it comes to actually joining the military and fighting in combat, but a hawk when it comes to sending others into battle.

 

[mr. tibbs]

David Frum, a fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, the conservative research organization, said Republicans had tried to defeat the bill to undermine Mr. Obama politically, but in the process had given up a chance of influencing a huge bill. Mr. Frum said his party’s stance sowed doubts with the public about its ideas and leadership credentials, and ultimately failed in a way that expanded Mr. Obama’s power.

“The political imperative crowded out the policy imperative,” Mr. Frum said. “And the Republicans have now lost both.”

“Politically, I get the ‘let’s trip up the other side, make them fail’ strategy,” he said. “But what’s more important, to win extra seats or to shape the most important piece of social legislation since the 1960s? It was a go-for-all-the-marbles approach. Unless they produced an absolute failure for Mr. Obama, there wasn’t going to be any political benefit.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/23/us/politics/23repubs.html?hp

It's all political posturing. (Dammit, why did I come back here?)

EDIT: And, in the same edition of the Times, here's David Brooks (whose opinion I almost always value, despite our differing ideas) on the health care bill and the parties in general: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/23/opinion/23brooks1.html?src=me&ref=homepage

 

[Anonymous]

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/23/us/politics/23repubs.html?hp

It's all political posturing. (Dammit, why did I come back here?)

EDIT: And, in the same edition of the Times, here's David Brooks (whose opinion I almost always value, despite our differing ideas) on the health care bill and the parties in general: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/23/opinion/23brooks1.html?src=me&ref=homepage

Two excellent editorials that will never be heard because all the right can do is scream their lies even louder. Its not that the basis for genuine conservative philosophy on such issues is not worthy of consideration. It is that instead of having a genuine, substantive debate, they favor the politics of fear and lies. I respect Brooks because he is what most conservative commentators/editorialists are not, articulate and thoughtful. There is merit to his criticisms of the bill. Unfortunately, the right will never accept his critique of their errors.

Thanks for posting.

 

[buckwheat]

The only thing that offends me is you...

Nobody ever let you in on sticks and stones?

and your constant attacks on people you don't even know..

Conservative ideology is literally attacking millions of people with life and death consequences. Funny how that doesn't offend you.

Yet you are so compassionate...shovel your crap to someone else...I am done with you.

Being the victim of the "Shock and Awe" terrorist campaign hurts. Getting used up and spit out by the corporate machine hurts.

Things may be working out for you and that's nice. Others aren't so fortunate. I know, that's their fault they went bankrupt because they got sick or they had a bomb fall on them, or got blown to hell by an IED fighting some rich guys war.

BTW, where's the Iraqi oil?

 

[BroDeal]

This is really too funny. From a new Harris poll:

57% of Republicans believe Obama is a muslim
45% of Republicans believe Obama was not born in the U.S.
38% of Republicans believe Obama is doing many of the things that Hitler did
24% of Republican believe Obama may be the Anti-Christ

http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattlepolitics/archives/199166.asp?from=blog_last3

I think we can all agree that the Republican Party has been taken over by nutjobs. Are there any moderate Republicans left?

 

[titan_90]

This is really too funny. From a new Harris poll:

57% of Republicans believe Obama is a muslim
45% of Republicans believe Obama was not born in the U.S.
38% of Republicans believe Obama is doing many of the things that Hitler did
24% of Republican believe Obama may be the Anti-Christ

http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattlepolitics/archives/199166.asp?from=blog_last3

I think we can all agree that the Republican Party has been taken over by nutjobs. Are there any moderate Republicans left?

There are some moderates out there but they are being drowned out by people that are mentally ill and live in an alternate reality to the rest of us.

 

[BroDeal]

Support for nuclear--pronounced nu-cu-lar--power hits an all time high in the U.S. 62% Yayyyy!

It is interesting that even the support from Democrats is now over 50%.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/22/AR2010032201333.html

 

[Anonymous]

the health care bill is a disaster...no matter how they try to spin it....and I say this as a democrat...obama was so far into bed with the private health insurance companies that he got a contact high via their free market herpes...why do you think their stock market crap is shooting thru the roof? bad bill and just adds to the massive corruption going on...screw the repugs, we know they are thieves...but this bill is seriously flawed and if you buy the whole "well maybe it will someday lead to single payer" bull**** I have an old cracked pinarello I can sell you...

p.s. as a dem, think here of clinton selling out the unions and jobs via nafta....same lame moment....the dems don't even give you a reach around and expect thanks...well, no thanks...

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

That poll is interesting BroDeal. This is why I make some of the posts I do. While I agree with someone like SoCal on budgeting, deficit financing and such, these numbers are stunning and represent a lot of what the GOP has become.

 

[buckwheat]

Are there any moderate Republicans left?

Yeah, Barack Obama and Joe Biden.

 

[Anonymous]

Yeah, Barack Obama and Joe Biden.

yep, this is nixon's original health care bill...with a couple of modern tweaks...