World Politics

[Anonymous]

by all means Moose, let me get outta the way...lol...I know all about socal scott...he's a mean lean right wing machine....

Nope. About 20lbs of excessive (fantastic) beer drinking. I just can't seem to control myself abound a Belgian Abbey Ale.

 

[Anonymous]

Nope. About 20lbs of excessive (fantastic) beer drinking. I just can't seem to control myself abound a Belgian Abbey Ale.

I have the same problem but from the lefty side...leffe and hoegarden...

 

[Anonymous]

I have the same problem but from the lefty side...leffe and hoegarden...

Now that's dangerously close to something in common.

 

[Anonymous]

Now that's dangerously close to something in common.

True enough...but I am probably only ten over...being a working class guy and all...victim of the big bad owners...keeps me slimmer

 

[Oncearunner8]

For the 30th time, we can start with tort reform, allow (by reducing regulations) insurance to sell across state lies, allow insurance to design policies that can be customizable (not unlike auto insurance), allow individuals to pool together for group rates similar to employers, reduce red tape from FDA (it takes decades in most cases to bring new pharma to market). There are many things that can be done that don't entail spending another trillion.

Tort Reform would be a good start.

 

[BroDeal]

Tort Reform would be a good start.

Maybe the Republicans could have made progress on tort reform if they had worked on a compromise. Instead they played the health care issue strictly for politics. Now they are complaining about the product of the political process they refused to be involved with other than to vote no and demagogue the issue. They have no one to blame but themselves.

 

[Anonymous]

This is what is frightening about all of the rhetoric surrounding this issue. The far right are frothing at the mouth about this. There is no recognition that we have 234 years of established wax and wane. The pendulum swings, and in our case, the reality is that is doesn't swing very far. But somehow this is the worst thing to have ever happened. Republican LAWMAKERS are saying it is similar to the attacks of 9-11-2001 in devastation. I heard a man today on a local talk show say that he was more fearful of Obama than Bin Ladden. People are shouting racial epithets, saying Obama is like Hitler and that his policies are like those of Hitler. It is difficult to watch because anyone with a modicum of education should be able to discern that that isn't just hyperbole they are speaking, it is dangerous rhetoric devoid of any true understanding of the issues or history.

It is incumbent upon those on the right who do know better, and there are many who do, to begin to lead their followers away from the edge. Things really can get out of hand when irrational fear grips large numbers of people. It is like a snowball, and if you are a conservative, Republican, or both, I implore you to begin to tone down your rhetoric. Quit listening to talk radio. Eschew anyone speaking in apocalyptic terms about issues. The blood and death that can come from fearful ignorance will be on your hands should it transpire, and I must say that I am beginning to believe that is where we are headed.

 

[fatandfast]

Maybe the Republicans could have made progress on tort reform if they had worked on a compromise. Instead they played the health care issue strictly for politics. Now they are complaining about the product of the political process they refused to be involved with other than to vote no and demagogue the issue. They have no one to blame but themselves.

Even worse with Obama always holding veto power, the only thing the GOP can do is rehash everything over and over with no change in the outcome.

 

[Anonymous]

This is what is frightening about all of the rhetoric surrounding this issue. The far right are frothing at the mouth about this. There is no recognition that we have 234 years of established wax and wane. The pendulum swings, and in our case, the reality is that is doesn't swing very far. But somehow this is the worst thing to have ever happened. Republican LAWMAKERS are saying it is similar to the attacks of 9-11-2001 in devastation. I heard a man today on a local talk show say that he was more fearful of Obama than Bin Ladden. People are shouting racial epithets, saying Obama is like Hitler and that his policies are like those of Hitler. It is difficult to watch because anyone with a modicum of education should be able to discern that that isn't just hyperbole they are speaking, it is dangerous rhetoric devoid of any true understanding of the issues or history.

It is incumbent upon those on the right who do know better, and there are many who do, to begin to lead their followers away from the edge. Things really can get out of hand when irrational fear grips large numbers of people. It is like a snowball, and if you are a conservative, Republican, or both, I implore you to begin to tone down your rhetoric. Quit listening to talk radio. Eschew anyone speaking in apocalyptic terms about issues. The blood and death that can come from fearful ignorance will be on your hands should it transpire, and I must say that I am beginning to believe that is where we are headed.

I agree...listen, I am left and dont like this bill...but it wont be the end of the world...my feeling is Obama and his congress made too many deals and could have done so much more...but listening to the right on this they are calling for blood...the right are so dangerous in this nation...remember going after clinton for having sex? They will do anything to keep power and push the buttons (the large ones on their followers foreheads) of their crazy *** base to take control...the teabag crowd? Now they are worried about the deficit...they were nowhere when it came and comes to huge military money and war...they will quote figure after figure about lazy folks getting government money...but bombs at 100 grand apiece falling into another land for a crazy, illegal war...they are silent...they kept pretty much quiet as well during the bailouts....when their nutjob Bush proposed it...yet now, drop a lil money on the poor and **** with corporations and they want blood...to quote an old ac/dc record, "if you want blood....you got it"....

 

[BroDeal]

This is what is frightening about all of the rhetoric surrounding this issue. The far right are frothing at the mouth about this. There is no recognition that we have 234 years of established wax and wane. The pendulum swings, and in our case, the reality is that is doesn't swing very far. But somehow this is the worst thing to have ever happened. Republican LAWMAKERS are saying it is similar to the attacks of 9-11-2001 in devastation. I heard a man today on a local talk show say that he was more fearful of Obama than Bin Ladden. People are shouting racial epithets, saying Obama is like Hitler and that his policies are like those of Hitler. It is difficult to watch because anyone with a modicum of education should be able to discern that that isn't just hyperbole they are speaking, it is dangerous rhetoric devoid of any true understanding of the issues or history.

It is incumbent upon those on the right who do know better, and there are many who do, to begin to lead their followers away from the edge. Things really can get out of hand when irrational fear grips large numbers of people. It is like a snowball, and if you are a conservative, Republican, or both, I implore you to begin to tone down your rhetoric. Quit listening to talk radio. Eschew anyone speaking in apocalyptic terms about issues. The blood and death that can come from fearful ignorance will be on your hands should it transpire, and I must say that I am beginning to believe that is where we are headed.

I think the Repubs are making a big mistake here. I am sure they rationalize their strategy as firing up the base, but they are marginalizing the pary. They are like the boy who cried wolf. Of course the strategy does fit in with their desire to destroy the ability of government to govern...

I think there is a growing middle ground of people who are disgusted with both parties. A third party is impossible in the American system, so those people will have to vote for one of the two. The Republicans are busy turninng themselves into the party of nutters, and it will be hard pressed to attract that middle ground.

 

[BroDeal]

remember going after clinton for having sex?

They did not go after Clinton for having a little sex, Einstein. They went after him for breaking the law. This country is supposed to be a nation of laws, and every person should have the right to pursue justice through the courts. Clinton committed perjury in an attempt to deny a regular citizen her rights.

 

[Anonymous]

I think the Repubs are making a big mistake here. I am sure they rationalize their strategy as firing up the base, but they are marginalizing the pary. They are like the boy who cried wolf. Of course the strategy does fit in with their desire to destroy the ability of government to govern...

I think there is a growing middle ground of people who are disgusted with both parties. A third party is impossible in the American system, so those people will have to vote for one of the two. The Republicans are busy turninng themselves into the party of nutters, and it will be hard pressed to attract that middle ground.

you and I disagree on alot of things...and you take swings at the postal service...but let me just give you a man on the street sorta thing...I live in Vermont and it is not as democrat as you might think...lately, talking to some of my republican customers out on the road, they can't believe where their party is going...they bring it up and talk out at the mailbox...these are life long folks, well established and voting repug for most of their life...in their 50's and they are bailing hard...they won't go democrat but they think their party has lost all reason and is being controlled by fascist nuts...it is interesting to hear actually...

 

[BroDeal]

you and I disagree on alot of things...and you take swings at the postal service...but let me just give you a man on the street sorta thing...I live in Vermont and it is not as democrat as you might think...lately, talking to some of my republican customers out on the road, they can't believe where their party is going...they bring it up and talk out at the mailbox...these are life long folks, well established and voting repug for most of their life...in their 50's and they are bailing hard...they won't go democrat but they think their party has lost all reason and is being controlled by fascist nuts...it is interesting to hear actually...

The Republicans have been obstructionists for so long that they have few real leaders in the party who can point to legislative achievements. Instead they have to rely on outsiders who increasingly owe their fame to catering to the Rush/Hannity/Beck crowd. This is true even of Congressman and Senators. Michelle Bachmann is not trying to raise her profile by working on legislation. Instead she is speaking at Tea Bagger rallies.

 

[Anonymous]

The Republicans have been obstructionists for so long that they have few real leaders in the party who can point to legislative achievements. Instead they have to rely on outsiders who increasingly owe their fame to catering to the Rush/Hannity/Beck crowd. This is true even of Congressman and Senators. Michelle Bachmann is not trying to raise her profile by working on legislation. Instead she is speaking at Tea Bagger rallies.

Nope, you are right...I can say as well via the dems, I hear alot of dissatisfaction from some folks on the more liberal side getting disgusted, some of the things you mention via stupid policies via AA even...so god knows where politics is going...personally, I have pretty much just given up...politics anymore is like spiritual crap these days...like trying to **** a cat in the *** while on acid...the dems have totally sold out the unions and jobs, the repugs are corporate *****s...they are all corrupt...and the ones who are not have no influence...to me this is just an end game really...

 

[Anonymous]

The Republicans have been obstructionists for so long that they have few real leaders in the party who can point to legislative achievements. Instead they have to rely on outsiders who increasingly owe their fame to catering to the Rush/Hannity/Beck crowd. This is true even of Congressman and Senators. Michelle Bachmann is not trying to raise her profile by working on legislation. Instead she is speaking at Tea Bagger rallies.

What I find interesting is the deafening silence from conservatives in regards to the escalation in rhetoric. All I can surmise is that they believe it to be genuine and warranted. I am appalled by the behavior of their brethren.

 

[BroDeal]

What I find interesting is the deafening silence from conservatives in regards to the escalation in rhetoric. All I can surmise is that they believe it to be genuine and warranted. I am appalled by the behavior of their brethren.

Good ol' John McCain recently promised to not work with the Democrats for the rest of the year. And he is supposed to be one of the moderate and reasonable ones.

I think some of what you mention comes from the Republicans pushing out all their moderates. It's been a twenty year process. No Repub want to make himself a target of his own party by appearing soft on "socialism," of whatever ridiculous terms they have used to label the opposition. The Repubs have painted themselves into a corner.

Meanwhile, the progressive wing of the Democratic Party is disgusted with the Republican-lite Dems who have run their party since Clinton.

 

[Anonymous]

What I find interesting is the deafening silence from conservatives in regards to the escalation in rhetoric. All I can surmise is that they believe it to be genuine and warranted. I am appalled by the behavior of their brethren.

So you were pretty tore up about all the extreme Bush rhetoric too, right?

 

[BroDeal]

So you were pretty tore up about all the extreme Bush rhetoric too, right?

It's not extreme if it's true.

 

[Anonymous]

It's not extreme if it's true.

Yes. So you can imagine my confusion by TFF's comments/concerns.

 

[CycloErgoSum]

C'mon, all of us aren't nuts. Nice post. We do have some bright people on here.

I was going to highlight some of what you said, but everything in your post is a body blow.

Be careful or Scott will remind about how he is always working while piling up the posts in here.

Good job and that initial sentence of Will's is so unhinged it defies belief. These people will shamelessly say anything.

The USA is a beautiful country of fine people. Always the envy of the world, it's now attracting pity. That is so awful.

As TFF writes, the right-wing escalation is scary and undermines the free-thinking, tolerant democratic example the USA has set for the other countries of the world. I hope you guys can get it together and be a nation of people with shared values and a collective sense of prosperity once again. We only mock you because we need you.

Please excuse my earlier facetiousness, it was directed at the hawks.

 

[scribe]

Publicans want an assurance molestors can't get viagra.....

 

[Anonymous]

So you were pretty tore up about all the extreme Bush rhetoric too, right?

When Republican lawmakers have to walk through a throng of ignorant nutjobs and have racial insults and spit hurled at them, I will see the correlation. (how would Bush have ever known about opposing views, he created "Free Speech Zones" 2 miles away from any of his appearances?) Past that, it doesn't surprise me that cowards on the right don't want to confront the ugly truth of their lies an distortions. See, when you spout historically ignorant, apocalyptic rhetoric, morons with guns and a hate for anyone different from them get kind of dangerous. I actually thought you would have the courage to speak against that kind of stupidity. I guess I overestimated you?

 

[Cycling Addict]

Publicans want an assurance molestors can't get viagra.....

How long can they keep making amendment bills before the process comes to an end?

 

[Anonymous]

When Republican lawmakers have to walk through a throng of ignorant nutjobs and have racial insults and spit hurled at them, I will see the correlation. (how would Bush have ever known about opposing views, he created "Free Speech Zones" 2 miles away from any of his appearances?) Past that, it doesn't surprise me that cowards on the right don't want to confront the ugly truth of their lies an distortions. See, when you spout historically ignorant, apocalyptic rhetoric, morons with guns and a hate for anyone different from them get kind of dangerous. I actually thought you would have the courage to speak against that kind of stupidity. I guess I overestimated you?

No, no I don't think you've overestimated me much if any. On a 10 scale, I doubt I've ever ascended above a 3 or 4 on your respect-o-meter anyways.

I'm not defending that activity you mention above, if in fact it happened (and I'd like to see some evidence that it happened other than someone's word that I don't trust). BTW, did you see the upstanding leftists at the Canadian University in Ottawa when Ann Coulter was invited to lecture there? There is vidoetape of it if you care to see how seriously your side takes free speech (yeah, I realize it's Canada and the same rules don't completely apply).

What was your reaction in the immediate aftermath of the Oklahoma City bombing when our sitting President attempted to blame right-wing talk radio, i.e., Rush Limbaugh? You really going to say this is all a one way street?

AlGore screams (about Bush) "HE BETRAYED OUR COUNTRY!! HE PREYED ON OUR FEARS!!!" I never heard anything like outrage from those on the left. Nope, quite the opposite in fact. The left's verbal abuse of Sarah Palin, Karl Rove, **** Cheney? Daily Kos, Huffington Post... ever heard of them? CNN comparing the right-wing to nazis... on and on.

I highlited a few of your comments. Have you seen me write anything close to that towards you? Now maybe you don't mean me in particular but I think I've establish that I am a conservative so when you talk about right-wing nutjobs I can only assume you mean it, at least in part if not in total, personally. This shit is hurled at conservatives every single day. Then a couple of idiots get riled up and out of line and give a little back at your side suddenly your sensibilities are inflamed?

Civility in American politics has been dead for a long, long time and it ain't ever coming back.

Rant over.

 

[BroDeal]