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...find below a very very interesting article on the crisis in The Ukraine....a nice relief from the one sided comments that are generally the norm...

http://dissidentvoice.org/2015/06/kiev-chestnuts-blossom-again/

Cheers

Nice article. Thanks for that.

i have heard Israel Shamir is pretty dodgy. Well, I read that. I could be wrong, you should check for yourself. i) he is not jewish neither, if it is the person I am remembering and ii) he, if it is the one, has been behind anti-jewish screeds. I could be wrong, so check for yourself, but I saw the name of the author, and was unwilling to invest and read it.
 
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movingtarget said:
blutto said:
...find below a very very interesting article on the crisis in The Ukraine....a nice relief from the one sided comments that are generally the norm...

http://dissidentvoice.org/2015/06/kiev-chestnuts-blossom-again/

Cheers

Nice article. Thanks for that.

i have heard Israel Shamir is pretty dodgy. Well, I read that. I could be wrong, you should check for yourself. i) he is not jewish neither, if it is the person I am remembering and ii) he, if it is the one, has been behind anti-jewish screeds. I could be wrong, so check for yourself, but I saw the name of the author, and was unwilling to invest and read it.

....well he is a pretty outspoken character who rails against a lot of people and has made some serious enemies..."Shamir is a Russian-born Jew who converted to Orthodox Christianity" which in and of itself would p!ss off a lot of people and he "served as paratrooper in the Israel Defense Forces, and fought in the 1973 Yom Kippur War."...he is not kind to many Israeli policies and has been called anti-Semitic but given how broadly that word is being used these days who knows how that applies here or anywhere for that matter( where criticism of Jews has been conflated with criticism of Israel which in turn has been conflated with criticism of Zionism....sorry but in my mind those are all different topics, though admittedly with many overlaps, and using a wide brush here is not appropriate or correct....and it has almost to the point where calling someone anti-Semitic is approaching the place that using Nazi in a discussion has come to, as in, you use that word and the discussion has been instantly reduced to a badly tossed word salad with dressing that is several days past due ) ...

...all that being said he is an interesting writer who in this particular case ( having deep roots in Russia ) was worth a read...not to say everything he writes is the gospel truth, but then there is not a writer that has ever lived that has that particular capability....and compared to the broadsides of crap propaganda that is being fired by all sides in the Ukrainian conflict this probably has a chance of being righter than most commentary we have had to suffer thru...

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...I would say give it a shot, I found it interesting and informative...ymmv....
 
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ok,thanx blutto. what i remember was the guy was potentially a fraud (re:name and backstory) then he turned up in Scandanavia in one of Sweden/Norway/Denmark. will have a look at the article and check on his background to satisfy myself.
 
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ok,thanx blutto. what i remember was the guy was potentially a fraud (re:name and backstory) then he turned up in Scandanavia in one of Sweden/Norway/Denmark. will have a look at the article and check on his background to satisfy myself.

...yeah, check Wiki and you'll see his "checkered" past and a good listing of his enemies ( and gosh he has some real A list enemies...nicely fills out the resume if you get my drift...)...

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....this is like weaponized irony eh!....the EU looking like a bunch of fools and the US of A going to their strong suit, hypocrisy, supersized of course..
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"It’s a rich irony – in fact a richness worth about $7.4 billion, and counting. In the same week that European Union envoys voted to extend trade sanctions on Russia, news emerges from the Paris Air Show that American aviation giant, Boeing, is moving ahead to sell a fleet of its 747 cargo planes – to Russia.



That deal – reportedly worth about $7.4 billion – will see Boeing supply Russian transport firm Volga-Dnepr with 20 long-haul aircraft. That inventory is in addition to the fleet of 14 Boeing 747s that the Russian company has already purchased, according to media reports.
Moreover, it also emerged this past week that the Pentagon is lobbying hard for the US Congress to ease trade restrictions imposed on Russian-manufactured space rockets. According to a report in the Washington Times, US Defence Secretary Ashton Carter and other Pentagon officials are calling on Senators to repeal a ban on Russian space technology. The Pentagon says that a joint venture between Boeing and Lockheed Martin needs to purchase 14 RD-180 Russian engines in order to power Lockheed’s Atlas V space rocket program.

So there you have it."
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...from.... http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article42225.htm

....so for all you suckers, errr, fine people who are on the front lines of the propaganda war against the evil Putin please keep in mind that where the real rubber hits the real road, read, on the wheels of the overloaded carts carrying piles of filthy lucre to the bank vaults things are just as they always were...and the problems that really affect you and I are not being given the attention they so richly deserve....but then we have a very important war to fight don't we...oh look there's a squirrel!...

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....as if the situation in The Ukraine was not weird enough we have this latest development...
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"Ukraine’s President Petro Poroshenko requests the supreme court of Ukraine to declare that his predecessor, Viktor Yanukovych, was overthrown by an illegal operation; in other words, that the post-Yanukovych government, including Poroshenko’s own Presidency, came into power from a coup, not from something democratic, not from any authentic constitutional process at all."

....from.. http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/eric-zuesse/62765/ukraine-s-pres-poroshenko-says-overthrow-of-yanukovych-was-a-coup
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...and we have the following which may , or not, be connected to the preceding...

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"Two small newsitems have not received much attention recently, and yet they might be the signs of something big happening:

Poroshenko has fired the notorious Head of the equally notorious Security Service of Ukraine or SBU: Valentin Nalivaichenko."

....from... http://thesaker.is/something-critical-might-be-happening-in-the-ukraine/
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Glenn_Wilson said:
blutto said:
...find below a very very interesting article on the crisis in The Ukraine....a nice relief from the one sided comments that are generally the norm...

http://dissidentvoice.org/2015/06/kiev-chestnuts-blossom-again/

Cheers
I know this old news but reading your story there made me think of it. Have you been keeping up with what the fans of Croatian football do during games? Seriously WTF. They are some mental midget racist sh!t going on there.

Any time in any sport when Serbia play Croatia it seems to be all out war even individually. I have seen spectators ejected from the Australian Open Tennis for fighting or racist harassment when a Serbian plays a Croatian. Hopefully the women are not the same. Pakistan and India and Iran Iraq and Japan Korea would also be bad sometimes even some of the South American international football but across all sports I think Croatia Serbia is by far the worst. Even local derbies within Serbia and Croatia against their own seem to degenerate into caveman behaviour.

You've not been to an Old Firm game I'm guessing...
 
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....omg....that is a good one that!....thanks for posting that story...

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I posted that story in various places yesterday, but for some reason omitted to do so here. Yeah, that's a great result, though I expect that it will have greater symbolic, rather than practical, value.
 
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Russia rehearsed 'takeover' of Denmark

http://www.thelocal.dk/20150625/russia-rehearsed-takeover-of-denmark

A new US report reveals that thousands of Russian soldiers took part in a huge military exercise which simulated a takeover of Bornholm, the second such Russian exercise aimed at the Danish island.

ome 33,000 Russian soldiers rehearsed a military takeover of the Baltic Sea area on March 21st to 25th, including practising the seizure of Gotland off Sweden's east coast, Danish island Bornholm, Finland's Swedish-speaking Åland islands and northern Norway, security expert Edward Lucas writes in a new report for US-based Center for European Policy Analysis (Cepa).

"If carried out successfully, control of those territories would make it all but impossible for Nato allies to reinforce the Baltic states," his report, titled 'The Coming Storm', claims.

Lucas’s report also details Russia’s simulated attack on Bornholm in June 2014, which took place when the island was packed with attendees of the annual political festival Folkemødet.

“Russia mounted a dummy attack, using planes armed with live missiles, on the Danish island of Bornholm just as 90,000 guests—in effect the country’s entire political elite—were visiting the island for the Folkemødet public policy festival. Had the attack actually taken place, Denmark would have been decapitated,” Lucas writes.

The revelation of a second military exercise aimed at Bornholm will do little to improve Denmark’s tense relationship with Russia. At the same time the Russians were carrying out their military rehearsal, Russia’s ambassador to Denmark, Mikhail Vanin, wrote in an opinion piece published by Jyllands-Posten that Denmark has made itself a target of a potential nuclear attack by joining Nato’s missile defence system.

“I don’t think the Danes fully understand the consequences of what will happen if Denmark joins the American-controlled missile defence. If it happens, Danish war ships will become targets for Russian atomic missiles,” Vanin wrote.

There have also been several incidents of Russian airspace activity over and near Denmark.

In addition to the two Bornholm incidents, a Russian military jet nearly collided with a SAS passenger plane out of Copenhagen in December, while in March of last year a Swedish SAS pilot said his plane was “just seconds” from crashing into a Russian jet.
 
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that chap vanin of course was using the scare tactic, but would it be unreasonable to ask a question, perhaps even 2 questions...

1. how likely would it be that the us military, given its record for a unilateral action, await for a danish govt permission should the us decide to act in the east ?
2. what would be the reason for denmark, unlike for the states directly bordering the vlad kingdom, to worry unless being drawn into the us/nato 'missile defense' affair vlad had vehemently objected to as a threat to his kingdom ?

historically, when a small nation allowed itself being drawn into the games of bigger players, it bore the responsibility, including frequently a devastation that comes along with any war should things go out of control...

conversely, there are several example when the nations steering a careful mid-course (not exactly even being neutral) avoided the suffering or at least kept it to a minimum.
 
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....after a series of stunningly successful military campaigns in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Gaza and Syria it looks like the guys in the white hats, you know the defenders of freedom and democracy and oil and vital resources and stuff, might be looking at a whooopsie...and this could be a real good one...like civil war in Saudi Arabia, which could change things in the Middle East just a wee bit if things go south....or north in this case...

https://alethonews.wordpress.com/2015/06/24/saudi-arabias-war-on-yemen-comes-home/

....the critical bit is...

"The formation of militias committed to waging war against the House of Saud may be the single most troubling development for Riyadh. Perhaps the most significant of these is the so called ‘Ahrar al-Najran’ Movement, a coalition of regional tribes in the southwest of the country that have combined forces with anti-Riyadh Saudi political activists to create an independence movement that has taken up arms against the Saudi government.

Ahrar al-Najran presents a complex problem for the Saudis because it is comprised primarily of tribes whose lands were originally within Yemeni territory until they were occupied by Saudi forces in 1934. According to Iran’s Islamic Republic News Agency "...

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http://www.thelocal.dk/20150625/russia-rehearsed-takeover-of-denmark

A new US report reveals that thousands of Russian soldiers took part in a huge military exercise which simulated a takeover of Bornholm, the second such Russian exercise aimed at the Danish island.

ome 33,000 Russian soldiers rehearsed a military takeover of the Baltic Sea area on March 21st to 25th, including practising the seizure of Gotland off Sweden's east coast, Danish island Bornholm, Finland's Swedish-speaking Åland islands and northern Norway, security expert Edward Lucas writes in a new report for US-based Center for European Policy Analysis (Cepa).

"If carried out successfully, control of those territories would make it all but impossible for Nato allies to reinforce the Baltic states," his report, titled 'The Coming Storm', claims.

Lucas’s report also details Russia’s simulated attack on Bornholm in June 2014, which took place when the island was packed with attendees of the annual political festival Folkemødet.

“Russia mounted a dummy attack, using planes armed with live missiles, on the Danish island of Bornholm just as 90,000 guests—in effect the country’s entire political elite—were visiting the island for the Folkemødet public policy festival. Had the attack actually taken place, Denmark would have been decapitated,” Lucas writes.

The revelation of a second military exercise aimed at Bornholm will do little to improve Denmark’s tense relationship with Russia. At the same time the Russians were carrying out their military rehearsal, Russia’s ambassador to Denmark, Mikhail Vanin, wrote in an opinion piece published by Jyllands-Posten that Denmark has made itself a target of a potential nuclear attack by joining Nato’s missile defence system.

“I don’t think the Danes fully understand the consequences of what will happen if Denmark joins the American-controlled missile defence. If it happens, Danish war ships will become targets for Russian atomic missiles,” Vanin wrote.

There have also been several incidents of Russian airspace activity over and near Denmark.

In addition to the two Bornholm incidents, a Russian military jet nearly collided with a SAS passenger plane out of Copenhagen in December, while in March of last year a Swedish SAS pilot said his plane was “just seconds” from crashing into a Russian jet.

....find below major players in the group that put together that report...

Advisory Council[edit]
Leszek Balcerowicz
Hans Binnendijk
Zbigniew Brzezinski
Daniel Hamilton
Steve Hanke
John C. Hulsman
G. John Ikenberry
Charles A. Kupchan
Andrew A. Michta

Fellows[edit]
David T. Armitage
Jakub J. Grygiel
James Kirchick
David Král
Edward Lucas
Kristina Mikulová
Mitchell Orenstein
Marcin Zaborowski

Associate Scholars[edit]
Marcin Bosacki
Denis Cosgrove
Dafina Nikolova Doran
Igor Khrestin
Alexandros Petersen
Katarzyna Pisarska
Peter Podbielski
Serban Popescu
Marek Świerczyński
Jan Techau
M. J. Williams

....gee....hardly any neo-cons in that crew there....really surprised the report had no references to aluminum tubes or yellow cake....but then life can sometimes be like that....just full of surprises...like Zbigniew Brzezinski being associated with any report that doesn't in some way lead to the annihilation of the USSR, errr, Russia...

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....something on the Greek crisis...we start with a few words on the latest which are sort of along drift of the normal MSM script we have been given Ad nauseam...
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"Creditors' proposal 'cannot be accepted': Athens

Source: AFP

Athens (AFP) - Athens rejected Friday a proposal from its creditors for a five-month 12-billion-euro ($13.4-billion) bailout extension, saying it "cannot be accepted" as the reforms demanded alongside it would be recessionary and the money insufficient.

"The creditors' proposal to the Greek government would require introducing deeply recessionary reforms as a condition for the funding, which is totally inadequate, over the five months period," said a government statement in response to the offer of a cash lifeline."

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/creditors-proposal-cannot-accepted-athens-
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....and then this very interesting bit from the comments section where the above was found...

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"Heard this yesterday on NPR.

Creditors refusing Greece's plan because it involves taxing the rich and banks and such, instead of austerity.

That is some serious arrogance on the part of Greece's creditors. Sickening. Absolutely sickening. "
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...soooo....if the above is in fact correct....the Greek crisis is not just about the money but about the money and pushing an agenda....which puts this whole ,uhhh, crisis in a rather strange light eh...

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the greek financial crisis fascinates me...not only b/c the agenda (on either side) was obvious, but mostly b/c we are seeing for the 1st time in many years a clash btwn the european pseudo liberal establishment and the truly leftist economic approach backed by a popular national ticket.

i spent some time studying the purely economic issues of grexit, that is, avoiding the political ramification as much as possible, i tried to understand WHO will suffer more from the grexit - the eurozone or the greeks ? as expected, the analysis back a different outcome based on WHO paid for the economic 'study'. surely, most western experts predict that the greeks will suffer much more and that the grexit shall not be feared.

i bag to differ. my reasoning is mostly based on the fact, that the greek exit from the eurozone is going to produce an effect far beyond the cold debit-credit balances. the other debt-ridden euro economies, like spain and portugal, or even italy and france, may take a notice of the precedence...moreover, the euro-skeptics all over europe, while perhaps not immediately benefiting, will certainly gain votes longer term.

should greece indeed exit, it will instantly get rid of the suffocating debt and the brussels/imf diktat. it will also receive an unlimited power to print its own money, which is bound to help some export driven branches like tourism. to be fair, it will also devalue the new greek currency for a while hitting their bond rates...yet, a government free of the euro shackles, while formally staying within the eu, will be able to join the new geopolitical structures advanced by china and russia, perhaps even getting the much needed loans...

all in all, i see the old europa losing its money and greece. and if handled with the same rigid political intolerance of the 'extreme left' , losing the eu altogether some day.

i wont drop a tear if it did happen one day...
 
The thing is legally it's impossible to exit the euro. No article in any Euro treaty allows for that. The only way out is art. 50 of the TFEU but that means exiting the EU. And Tsipras never promised that before the elections. He always clearly said he wished to stay in the Eurozone.

Of course, it's the way to go but I'm sure they're finding a "solution" at the moment. The euro is not viable economically. All plurinational currencies always failed. Why would that one succeed?
 
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I hope it will have a big impact, and judges in other countries will follow.

Except the 'other' places, continue on their merry way, US, China, India, Africa, the awakening giant...ya know, where most of the people are? Just ask the GOP, climate change is a hoax!
 
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It seems the IMF and other creditors want to get rid of the Syriza government

They were only voted in because they promised something they could not deliver and the people wanted to believe it. It was never going to be a Greek decision and nothing but. What made them think they could dictate the terms ? The are the ones asking for help.
 
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The Governing Council of the European Central Bank today welcomed the commitment by ministers from euro area Member States to take all necessary measures to further improve the resilience of euro area economies and to stand ready to take decisive steps to strengthen Economic and Monetary Union.

Following the decision by the Greek authorities to hold a referendum and the non-prolongation of the EU adjustment programme for Greece, the Governing Council declared it will work closely with the Bank of Greece to maintain financial stability.

Given the current circumstances, the Governing Council decided to maintain the ceiling to the provision of emergency liquidity assistance (ELA) to Greek banks at the level decided on Friday (26 June 2015).

This apparently means that Greek banks may not open tomorrow due to a lack of cash.

Should this be seen as some sort of apocalyptic first step on the road to the collapse of the Euro, and the subsequent possible crumbling of the EU?
 
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EU will be 'fine'. Greece is too small to cause too much damage and EU has prepared themselves for grexit.
 
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The Governing Council of the European Central Bank today welcomed the commitment by ministers from euro area Member States to take all necessary measures to further improve the resilience of euro area economies and to stand ready to take decisive steps to strengthen Economic and Monetary Union.

Following the decision by the Greek authorities to hold a referendum and the non-prolongation of the EU adjustment programme for Greece, the Governing Council declared it will work closely with the Bank of Greece to maintain financial stability.

Given the current circumstances, the Governing Council decided to maintain the ceiling to the provision of emergency liquidity assistance (ELA) to Greek banks at the level decided on Friday (26 June 2015).

This apparently means that Greek banks may not open tomorrow due to a lack of cash.

Should this be seen as some sort of apocalyptic first step on the road to the collapse of the Euro, and the subsequent possible crumbling of the EU?

The Euro technocrats are saying, no, the Euro isn't in danger, while Germany will be popping champagne corks if, when Greece leaves the EU. Of course, everything is uncertain.

The only thing that the Greek crisis demonstrates is that the European Union is without a political soul. It merely has an economic and financial one that is in simbiosis with the US driven IMF, as the case of Greece and, for example, Hungary demonstrates.

The technocrates of the EU central bank, with full support from the EU parliament, can thus be ruthless with poverty, though are willing to cut more than enough slack to the fascist Hungarian regime. Hence to be poor is criminal, or at any rate economically insolvent, but to be fascist remains within the scope of what's tolerable.
 
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