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the putin-hollande press conference is on france 24 live now...some interesting stuff is being said. 'my dear vlad' was the hollande greeting...'we will coordinate intelligence (something the us flatly refused), 'the us knew EXACTLY where and when out shot down bomber would operate', said vlad...'what, did they sell the info to trap our flyers ?...
- Jun 22, 2009
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Very surprised to see the otherwise so meticulous Juan Cole get the dead pilot wrong, but the rest is his usual, informed peek behind the scenes.
http://www.juancole.com/2015/11/turkey-russian-plane.html
http://www.juancole.com/2015/11/turkey-russian-plane.html
- Jul 4, 2009
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....just for fun....
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article43534.htm
"We know that Turkey is lying for three reasons.
One reason is that NATO governments lie every time that they open their mouths.
A second reason is that Turkey’s claim that the SU-24 was in Turkey’s airspace for 17 seconds but only traveled 1.15 miles means that the SU-24 was flying at stall speed! The entire Western media was too incompetent to do the basic math!
A third reason is that, assuming Turkey’s claim of a 17 second airspace violation is true, 17 seconds is not long enough for a Turkish pilot to get clearance for such a serious and reckless act as shooting down a Russian military aircraft. If the SU-24 was flying at a normal speed rather than one that would be unable to keep the aircraft aloft, the alleged airspace vioation would not have been long enough to be noticed. A shootdown had to have been pre-arranged. The Turks, knowing that the Russians were foolishly trusting to the agreement that there be no air to air encounters, told pilots to look for an opportunity. In my recent article, I gave a reason for this reckless act:
Turkey’s explanation to the UN Security Council gives itself away as a lie. The letter states: “This morning (24 November) 2 SU-24 planes, the nationality of which are unknown have approached Turkish national airspace. The Planes in quesion have been warned 10 times during a period of 5 minutes via ‘Emergency’ channel and asked to change their headings south immediately.”
As SU-24 are Russian aircraft, as Turkey is able to identify that the aircraft are SU-24s, how then can the nationality of the aircraft be unknown? Would Turkey risk shooting down a US or Israeli aircraft by firing at an unknown aircraft? If the SU-24 takes 17 seconds to fly 1.15 miles, the SU-24s would have only traveled 20.29 miles in five minutes. Does anyone believe that a supersonic aircraft can fly at stall speed for 17 seconds, much less for five minutes?"
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article43534.htm
"President Putin nailed it; it was "a shot in the back". Because all evidence is pointing towards an ambush: the F-16s might have been actually waiting for the Su-24s. With Turkish TV cameras available for maximum global impact.
Two Su-24s were getting ready to strike a bunch of "moderate rebels". Ankara says they were Turkmen — which the Turks finance and weaponize. But there is just a small bunch of Turkmen in northern Syria.
The Su-24s were actually after Chechens and Uzbeks — plus a few Uyghurs — smuggled in with fake Turkish passports (Chinese intel is also on it), all of these operating in tandem with a nasty bunch of Turkish Islamo-fascists. Most of these goons transit back and forth between the CIA-weaponized Free Syrian Army (FSA) and Jabhat al-Nusra. These were the goons who machine-gunned the Russian pilots as they parachuted down after the hit on the Su-24.
The Su-24s posed absolutely no threat to Turkey. Turkish UN Ambassador Halit Cevik's letter to the Security Council is a joke; two Russian jets "warned 10 times in five minutes" to change direction, both flying "more than a mile" into Turkey for an interminable 17 seconds. The whole thing has already been amply debunked. Not to mention that Turkish — and NATO — planes "violate" the Syrian border all the time."
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article43530.htm
"The Turkish justification also appears hypocritical given the fact that Turkey’s own military planes have violated Greek airspace repeatedly over the last few years. Less than two weeks ago, Greek defense officials reported eight Turkish fighter jets entering Greek airspace, conducting a total of 19 transgressions.
These incidents have increased dramatically since 2013, and in 2014, alone, Turkey entered Greek airspace a total of 1,017 times."
Cheers
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article43534.htm
"We know that Turkey is lying for three reasons.
One reason is that NATO governments lie every time that they open their mouths.
A second reason is that Turkey’s claim that the SU-24 was in Turkey’s airspace for 17 seconds but only traveled 1.15 miles means that the SU-24 was flying at stall speed! The entire Western media was too incompetent to do the basic math!
A third reason is that, assuming Turkey’s claim of a 17 second airspace violation is true, 17 seconds is not long enough for a Turkish pilot to get clearance for such a serious and reckless act as shooting down a Russian military aircraft. If the SU-24 was flying at a normal speed rather than one that would be unable to keep the aircraft aloft, the alleged airspace vioation would not have been long enough to be noticed. A shootdown had to have been pre-arranged. The Turks, knowing that the Russians were foolishly trusting to the agreement that there be no air to air encounters, told pilots to look for an opportunity. In my recent article, I gave a reason for this reckless act:
Turkey’s explanation to the UN Security Council gives itself away as a lie. The letter states: “This morning (24 November) 2 SU-24 planes, the nationality of which are unknown have approached Turkish national airspace. The Planes in quesion have been warned 10 times during a period of 5 minutes via ‘Emergency’ channel and asked to change their headings south immediately.”
As SU-24 are Russian aircraft, as Turkey is able to identify that the aircraft are SU-24s, how then can the nationality of the aircraft be unknown? Would Turkey risk shooting down a US or Israeli aircraft by firing at an unknown aircraft? If the SU-24 takes 17 seconds to fly 1.15 miles, the SU-24s would have only traveled 20.29 miles in five minutes. Does anyone believe that a supersonic aircraft can fly at stall speed for 17 seconds, much less for five minutes?"
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article43534.htm
"President Putin nailed it; it was "a shot in the back". Because all evidence is pointing towards an ambush: the F-16s might have been actually waiting for the Su-24s. With Turkish TV cameras available for maximum global impact.
Two Su-24s were getting ready to strike a bunch of "moderate rebels". Ankara says they were Turkmen — which the Turks finance and weaponize. But there is just a small bunch of Turkmen in northern Syria.
The Su-24s were actually after Chechens and Uzbeks — plus a few Uyghurs — smuggled in with fake Turkish passports (Chinese intel is also on it), all of these operating in tandem with a nasty bunch of Turkish Islamo-fascists. Most of these goons transit back and forth between the CIA-weaponized Free Syrian Army (FSA) and Jabhat al-Nusra. These were the goons who machine-gunned the Russian pilots as they parachuted down after the hit on the Su-24.
The Su-24s posed absolutely no threat to Turkey. Turkish UN Ambassador Halit Cevik's letter to the Security Council is a joke; two Russian jets "warned 10 times in five minutes" to change direction, both flying "more than a mile" into Turkey for an interminable 17 seconds. The whole thing has already been amply debunked. Not to mention that Turkish — and NATO — planes "violate" the Syrian border all the time."
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article43530.htm
"The Turkish justification also appears hypocritical given the fact that Turkey’s own military planes have violated Greek airspace repeatedly over the last few years. Less than two weeks ago, Greek defense officials reported eight Turkish fighter jets entering Greek airspace, conducting a total of 19 transgressions.
These incidents have increased dramatically since 2013, and in 2014, alone, Turkey entered Greek airspace a total of 1,017 times."
Cheers
- Sep 25, 2009
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@blutto
yeah, all those seconds are valid points that have been discussed yesterday, linked to the specialists sites in my posts and basically exposing the turkish story as questionable, to put it mildly. i am a technician, my angle is always based on the data i consider valid and none of what the turks put out imo was consistent with their very expensive action of shooting down a plane of a nuclear super power.
here's what i found significant in the new, fresh (today's) evidence that the turks are likely lying. erdogan is on record, 'we did not know it was the russian craft we downed'. 'this is a unbelievable'. said vlad an hour ago in front of hollande. 'simply b/c, he continued, we deliberately passed the exhaustive data to our american colleagues in accordance with our de-conflicting agreement the data on where and when our shot down plane would operate'. clearly, the us not sharing with the turks, a partner in the anti-isil coalition, this vital data is IMPOSSIBLE.
thus, 'we did not know' is probably a blatant lie which unfortunately leads to a conclusion the shooting was an ambush.
yeah, all those seconds are valid points that have been discussed yesterday, linked to the specialists sites in my posts and basically exposing the turkish story as questionable, to put it mildly. i am a technician, my angle is always based on the data i consider valid and none of what the turks put out imo was consistent with their very expensive action of shooting down a plane of a nuclear super power.
here's what i found significant in the new, fresh (today's) evidence that the turks are likely lying. erdogan is on record, 'we did not know it was the russian craft we downed'. 'this is a unbelievable'. said vlad an hour ago in front of hollande. 'simply b/c, he continued, we deliberately passed the exhaustive data to our american colleagues in accordance with our de-conflicting agreement the data on where and when our shot down plane would operate'. clearly, the us not sharing with the turks, a partner in the anti-isil coalition, this vital data is IMPOSSIBLE.
thus, 'we did not know' is probably a blatant lie which unfortunately leads to a conclusion the shooting was an ambush.
- Jul 4, 2009
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....a wee bit long ...but lots to say....
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"Meet The Man Who Funds ISIS: Bilal Erdogan, The Son Of Turkey's President
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-25/meet-man-who-funds-isis-bilal-erdogan-son-turkeys-president
Russia's Sergey Lavrov is not one foreign minister known to mince his words. Just earlier today, 24 hours after a Russian plane was brought down by the country whose president three years ago said "a short-term border violation can never be a pretext for an attack", had this to say: "We have serious doubts this was an unintended incident and believe this is a planned provocation" by Turkey. But even that was tame compared to what Lavrov said to his Turkish counterparty Mevlut Cavusoglu earlier today during a phone call between the two (Lavrov, who was supposed to travel to Turkey, has since canceled such plans). As Sputnik transcribes, according to a press release from Russia’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Lavrov pointed out that, "by shooting down a Russian plane on a counter-terrorist mission of the Russian Aerospace Force in Syria, and one that did not violate Turkey’s airspace, the Turkish government has in effect sided with ISIS." It was in this context when Lavrov added that "Turkey’s actions appear premeditated, planned, and undertaken with a specific objective." More importantly, Lavrov pointed to Turkey’s role in the propping up the terror network through the oil trade. Per the Russian statement:
"The Russian Minister reminded his counterpart about Turkey’s involvement in the ISIS’ illegal trade in oil, which is transported via the area where the Russian plane was shot down, and about the terrorist infrastructure, arms and munitions depots and control centers that are also located there."
Others reaffirmed Lavrov's stance, such as retired French General Dominique Trinquand, who said that "Turkey is either not fighting ISIL at all or very little, and does not interfere with different types of smuggling that takes place on its border, be it oil, phosphate, cotton or people," he said.
The reason we find this line of questioning fascinating is that just last week in the aftermath of the French terror attack but long before the Turkish downing of the Russian jet, we wrote about "The Most Important Question About ISIS That Nobody Is Asking" in which we asked who is the one "breaching every known law of funding terrorism when buying ISIS crude, almost certainly with the tacit approval by various "western alliance" governments, and why is it that these governments have allowed said middleman to continue funding ISIS for as long as it has?" Precisely one week later, in even more tragic circumstances, suddenly everyone is asking this question. And while we patiently dig to find who the on and offshore "commodity trading" middleman are, who cart away ISIS oil to European and other international markets in exchange for hundreds of millions of dollars, one name keeps popping up as the primary culprit of regional demand for the Islamic State's "terrorist oil" - that of Turkish president Recep Erdogan's son: Bilal Erdogan.
His very brief bio:
Necmettin Bilal Erdogan, commonly known as Bilal Erdogan (born 23 April 1980) is the third child of Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the current President of Turkey.
After graduating from Kartal Imam Hatip High School in 1999, Bilal Erdogan moved to the US for undergraduate education. He also earned a Masters Degree in John F. Kennedy School of Government at Harvard University in 2004. After graduation, he served in the World Bank as intern for a while. He returned Turkey in 2006 and started to his business life. Bilal Erdogan is one of the three equal shareholders of "BMZ Group Denizcilik ", a marine transportation corporation.
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In the next few days, we will present a full breakdown of Bilal's various business ventures, starting with his BMZ Group which is the name implicated most often in the smuggling of illegal Iraqi and Islamic State through to the western supply chain, but for now here is a brief, if very disturbing snapshot, of both father and son Erdogan by F. William Engdahl, one which should make everyone ask whether the son of Turkey's president (and thus, the father) is the silent mastermind who has been responsible for converting millions of barrels of Syrian Oil into hundreds of millions of dollars of Islamic State revenue.
By F. William Engdahl, posted originally in New Eastern Outlook:
Erdogan's Dirth Dangerous ISIS Games
More and more details are coming to light revealing that the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, variously known as ISIS, IS or Daesh, is being fed and kept alive by Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the Turkish President and by his Turkish intelligence service, including MIT, the Turkish CIA. Turkey, as a result of Erdogan’s pursuit of what some call a Neo-Ottoman Empire fantasies that stretch all the way to China, Syria and Iraq, threatens not only to destroy Turkey but much of the Middle East if he continues on his present path.
In October 2014 US Vice President Joe Biden told a Harvard gathering that Erdogan’s regime was backing ISIS with “hundreds of millions of dollars and thousands of tons of weapons…” Biden later apologized clearly for tactical reasons to get Erdogan’s permission to use Turkey’s Incirlik Air Base for airstrikes against ISIS in Syria, but the dimensions of Erdogan’s backing for ISIS since revealed is far, far more than Biden hinted.
ISIS militants were trained by US, Israeli and now it emerges, by Turkish special forces at secret bases in Konya Province inside the Turkish border to Syria, over the past three years. Erdogan’s involvement in ISIS goes much deeper. At a time when Washington, Saudi Arabia and even Qatar appear to have cut off their support for ISIS, they remaining amazingly durable. The reason appears to be the scale of the backing from Erdogan and his fellow neo-Ottoman Sunni Islam Prime Minister, Ahmet Davutoglu.
Nice Family Business
The prime source of money feeding ISIS these days is sale of Iraqi oil from the Mosul region oilfields where they maintain a stronghold. The son of Erdogan it seems is the man who makes the export sales of ISIS-controlled oil possible.
Bilal Erdogan owns several maritime companies. He has allegedly signed contracts with European operating companies to carry Iraqi stolen oil to different Asian countries. The Turkish government buys Iraqi plundered oil which is being produced from the Iraqi seized oil wells. Bilal Erdogan’s maritime companies own special wharfs in Beirut and Ceyhan ports that are transporting ISIS’ smuggled crude oil in Japan-bound oil tankers.
Gürsel Tekin vice-president of the Turkish Republican Peoples’ Party, CHP, declared in a recent Turkish media interview, “President Erdogan claims that according to international transportation conventions there is no legal infraction concerning Bilal’s illicit activities and his son is doing an ordinary business with the registered Japanese companies, but in fact Bilal Erdogan is up to his neck in complicity with terrorism, but as long as his father holds office he will be immune from any judicial prosecution.” Tekin adds that Bilal’s maritime company doing the oil trades for ISIS, BMZ Ltd, is “a family business and president Erdogan’s close relatives hold shares in BMZ and they misused public funds and took illicit loans from Turkish banks.”
In addition to son Bilal’s illegal and lucrative oil trading for ISIS, Sümeyye Erdogan, the daughter of the Turkish President apparently runs a secret hospital camp inside Turkey just over the Syrian border where Turkish army trucks daily being in scores of wounded ISIS Jihadists to be patched up and sent back to wage the bloody Jihad in Syria, according to the testimony of a nurse who was recruited to work there until it was discovered she was a member of the Alawite branch of Islam, the same as Syrian President Bashar al-Assad who Erdogan seems hell-bent on toppling.
Turkish citizen Ramazan Bagol, captured this month by Kurdish People’s Defence Units,YPG, as he attempted to join ISIS from Konya province, told his captors that said he was sent to ISIS by the ‘Ismailia Sect,’ a strict Turkish Islam sect reported to be tied to Recep Erdogan. Baol said the sect recruits members and provides logistic support to the radical Islamist organization. He added that the Sect gives jihad training in neighborhoods of Konya and sends those trained here to join ISIS gangs in Syria.
According to French geopolitical analyst, Thierry Meyssan, Recep Erdogan “organised the pillage of Syria, dismantled all the factories in Aleppo, the economic capital, and stole the machine-tools. Similarly, he organised the theft of archeological treasures and set up an international market in Antioch…with the help of General Benoît Puga, Chief of Staff for the Elysée, he organised a false-flag operation intended to provoke the launching of a war by the Atlantic Alliance – the chemical bombing of la Ghoutta in Damascus, in August 2013. “
Meyssan claims that the Syria strategy of Erdogan was initially secretly developed in coordination with former French Foreign Minister Alain Juppé and Erdogan’s then Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu, in 2011, after Juppe won a hesitant Erdogan to the idea of supporting the attack on traditional Turkish ally Syria in return for a promise of French support for Turkish membership in the EU. France later backed out, leaving Erdogan to continue the Syrian bloodbath largely on his own using ISIS.
Gen. John R. Allen, an opponent of Obama’s Iran peace strategy, now US diplomatic envoy coordinating the coalition against the Islamic State, exceeded his authorized role after meeting with Erdogan and “promised to create a "no-fly zone" ninety miles wide, over Syrian territory, along the whole border with Turkey, supposedly intended to help Syrian refugees fleeing from their government, but in reality to apply the "Juppé-Wright plan". The Turkish Prime Minister, Ahmet Davutoglu, revealed US support for the project on the TV channel A Haber by launching a bombing raid against the PKK.” Meyssan adds.
There are never winners in war and Erdogan’s war against Syria’s Assad demonstrates that in bold. Turkey and the world deserve better. Ahmet Davutoglu’s famous “Zero Problems With Neighbors” foreign policy has been turned into massive problems with all neighbors due to the foolish ambitions of Erdogan and his gang."
Cheers
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"Meet The Man Who Funds ISIS: Bilal Erdogan, The Son Of Turkey's President
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-25/meet-man-who-funds-isis-bilal-erdogan-son-turkeys-president
Russia's Sergey Lavrov is not one foreign minister known to mince his words. Just earlier today, 24 hours after a Russian plane was brought down by the country whose president three years ago said "a short-term border violation can never be a pretext for an attack", had this to say: "We have serious doubts this was an unintended incident and believe this is a planned provocation" by Turkey. But even that was tame compared to what Lavrov said to his Turkish counterparty Mevlut Cavusoglu earlier today during a phone call between the two (Lavrov, who was supposed to travel to Turkey, has since canceled such plans). As Sputnik transcribes, according to a press release from Russia’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Lavrov pointed out that, "by shooting down a Russian plane on a counter-terrorist mission of the Russian Aerospace Force in Syria, and one that did not violate Turkey’s airspace, the Turkish government has in effect sided with ISIS." It was in this context when Lavrov added that "Turkey’s actions appear premeditated, planned, and undertaken with a specific objective." More importantly, Lavrov pointed to Turkey’s role in the propping up the terror network through the oil trade. Per the Russian statement:
"The Russian Minister reminded his counterpart about Turkey’s involvement in the ISIS’ illegal trade in oil, which is transported via the area where the Russian plane was shot down, and about the terrorist infrastructure, arms and munitions depots and control centers that are also located there."
Others reaffirmed Lavrov's stance, such as retired French General Dominique Trinquand, who said that "Turkey is either not fighting ISIL at all or very little, and does not interfere with different types of smuggling that takes place on its border, be it oil, phosphate, cotton or people," he said.
The reason we find this line of questioning fascinating is that just last week in the aftermath of the French terror attack but long before the Turkish downing of the Russian jet, we wrote about "The Most Important Question About ISIS That Nobody Is Asking" in which we asked who is the one "breaching every known law of funding terrorism when buying ISIS crude, almost certainly with the tacit approval by various "western alliance" governments, and why is it that these governments have allowed said middleman to continue funding ISIS for as long as it has?" Precisely one week later, in even more tragic circumstances, suddenly everyone is asking this question. And while we patiently dig to find who the on and offshore "commodity trading" middleman are, who cart away ISIS oil to European and other international markets in exchange for hundreds of millions of dollars, one name keeps popping up as the primary culprit of regional demand for the Islamic State's "terrorist oil" - that of Turkish president Recep Erdogan's son: Bilal Erdogan.
His very brief bio:
Necmettin Bilal Erdogan, commonly known as Bilal Erdogan (born 23 April 1980) is the third child of Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the current President of Turkey.
After graduating from Kartal Imam Hatip High School in 1999, Bilal Erdogan moved to the US for undergraduate education. He also earned a Masters Degree in John F. Kennedy School of Government at Harvard University in 2004. After graduation, he served in the World Bank as intern for a while. He returned Turkey in 2006 and started to his business life. Bilal Erdogan is one of the three equal shareholders of "BMZ Group Denizcilik ", a marine transportation corporation.
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In the next few days, we will present a full breakdown of Bilal's various business ventures, starting with his BMZ Group which is the name implicated most often in the smuggling of illegal Iraqi and Islamic State through to the western supply chain, but for now here is a brief, if very disturbing snapshot, of both father and son Erdogan by F. William Engdahl, one which should make everyone ask whether the son of Turkey's president (and thus, the father) is the silent mastermind who has been responsible for converting millions of barrels of Syrian Oil into hundreds of millions of dollars of Islamic State revenue.
By F. William Engdahl, posted originally in New Eastern Outlook:
Erdogan's Dirth Dangerous ISIS Games
More and more details are coming to light revealing that the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, variously known as ISIS, IS or Daesh, is being fed and kept alive by Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the Turkish President and by his Turkish intelligence service, including MIT, the Turkish CIA. Turkey, as a result of Erdogan’s pursuit of what some call a Neo-Ottoman Empire fantasies that stretch all the way to China, Syria and Iraq, threatens not only to destroy Turkey but much of the Middle East if he continues on his present path.
In October 2014 US Vice President Joe Biden told a Harvard gathering that Erdogan’s regime was backing ISIS with “hundreds of millions of dollars and thousands of tons of weapons…” Biden later apologized clearly for tactical reasons to get Erdogan’s permission to use Turkey’s Incirlik Air Base for airstrikes against ISIS in Syria, but the dimensions of Erdogan’s backing for ISIS since revealed is far, far more than Biden hinted.
ISIS militants were trained by US, Israeli and now it emerges, by Turkish special forces at secret bases in Konya Province inside the Turkish border to Syria, over the past three years. Erdogan’s involvement in ISIS goes much deeper. At a time when Washington, Saudi Arabia and even Qatar appear to have cut off their support for ISIS, they remaining amazingly durable. The reason appears to be the scale of the backing from Erdogan and his fellow neo-Ottoman Sunni Islam Prime Minister, Ahmet Davutoglu.
Nice Family Business
The prime source of money feeding ISIS these days is sale of Iraqi oil from the Mosul region oilfields where they maintain a stronghold. The son of Erdogan it seems is the man who makes the export sales of ISIS-controlled oil possible.
Bilal Erdogan owns several maritime companies. He has allegedly signed contracts with European operating companies to carry Iraqi stolen oil to different Asian countries. The Turkish government buys Iraqi plundered oil which is being produced from the Iraqi seized oil wells. Bilal Erdogan’s maritime companies own special wharfs in Beirut and Ceyhan ports that are transporting ISIS’ smuggled crude oil in Japan-bound oil tankers.
Gürsel Tekin vice-president of the Turkish Republican Peoples’ Party, CHP, declared in a recent Turkish media interview, “President Erdogan claims that according to international transportation conventions there is no legal infraction concerning Bilal’s illicit activities and his son is doing an ordinary business with the registered Japanese companies, but in fact Bilal Erdogan is up to his neck in complicity with terrorism, but as long as his father holds office he will be immune from any judicial prosecution.” Tekin adds that Bilal’s maritime company doing the oil trades for ISIS, BMZ Ltd, is “a family business and president Erdogan’s close relatives hold shares in BMZ and they misused public funds and took illicit loans from Turkish banks.”
In addition to son Bilal’s illegal and lucrative oil trading for ISIS, Sümeyye Erdogan, the daughter of the Turkish President apparently runs a secret hospital camp inside Turkey just over the Syrian border where Turkish army trucks daily being in scores of wounded ISIS Jihadists to be patched up and sent back to wage the bloody Jihad in Syria, according to the testimony of a nurse who was recruited to work there until it was discovered she was a member of the Alawite branch of Islam, the same as Syrian President Bashar al-Assad who Erdogan seems hell-bent on toppling.
Turkish citizen Ramazan Bagol, captured this month by Kurdish People’s Defence Units,YPG, as he attempted to join ISIS from Konya province, told his captors that said he was sent to ISIS by the ‘Ismailia Sect,’ a strict Turkish Islam sect reported to be tied to Recep Erdogan. Baol said the sect recruits members and provides logistic support to the radical Islamist organization. He added that the Sect gives jihad training in neighborhoods of Konya and sends those trained here to join ISIS gangs in Syria.
According to French geopolitical analyst, Thierry Meyssan, Recep Erdogan “organised the pillage of Syria, dismantled all the factories in Aleppo, the economic capital, and stole the machine-tools. Similarly, he organised the theft of archeological treasures and set up an international market in Antioch…with the help of General Benoît Puga, Chief of Staff for the Elysée, he organised a false-flag operation intended to provoke the launching of a war by the Atlantic Alliance – the chemical bombing of la Ghoutta in Damascus, in August 2013. “
Meyssan claims that the Syria strategy of Erdogan was initially secretly developed in coordination with former French Foreign Minister Alain Juppé and Erdogan’s then Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu, in 2011, after Juppe won a hesitant Erdogan to the idea of supporting the attack on traditional Turkish ally Syria in return for a promise of French support for Turkish membership in the EU. France later backed out, leaving Erdogan to continue the Syrian bloodbath largely on his own using ISIS.
Gen. John R. Allen, an opponent of Obama’s Iran peace strategy, now US diplomatic envoy coordinating the coalition against the Islamic State, exceeded his authorized role after meeting with Erdogan and “promised to create a "no-fly zone" ninety miles wide, over Syrian territory, along the whole border with Turkey, supposedly intended to help Syrian refugees fleeing from their government, but in reality to apply the "Juppé-Wright plan". The Turkish Prime Minister, Ahmet Davutoglu, revealed US support for the project on the TV channel A Haber by launching a bombing raid against the PKK.” Meyssan adds.
There are never winners in war and Erdogan’s war against Syria’s Assad demonstrates that in bold. Turkey and the world deserve better. Ahmet Davutoglu’s famous “Zero Problems With Neighbors” foreign policy has been turned into massive problems with all neighbors due to the foolish ambitions of Erdogan and his gang."
Cheers
- Jul 4, 2009
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....ISIS , despite the commonly used meme of being a rogue operation seems to have lots of big powerful friends....there is Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Merika and find below a reference to another friend...
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"Why Israel wants Assad Out
In December, 2014 the Jerusalem Post in Israel reported the findings of a largely ignored, and politically explosive report detailing UN sightings of Israeli military together with ISIS terrorist combatants. The UN peacekeeping force, UN Disengagement Observer Force (UNDOF), stationed since 1974 along the Golan Heights border between Syria and Israel, revealed that Israel had been working closely with Syrian opposition terrorists, including Al Qaeda’s Al Nusra Front and IS in the Golan Heights, and “kept close contact over the past 18 months.” The report was submitted to the UN Security Council. Mainstream media in the US and West buried the explosive findings.
The UN documents showed that the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) were maintaining regular contact with members of the so-called Islamic State since May of 2013. The IDF stated that this was only for medical care for civilians, but the deception was broken when the UNDOF observers identified direct contact between IDF forces and ISIS soldiers, including giving medical care to ISIS fighters. Observations even included the transfer of two crates from the IDF to ISIS forces, the contents of which have not been confirmed. Further the UN report identified what the Syrians label a “crossing point of forces between Israel and ISIS,” a point of concern UNDOF brought before the UN Security Council.
The UNDOF was created by a May, 1974 UN Security Council Resolution No. 350 in the wake of tensions from the October 1973 Yom Kippur War between Syria and Israel. It established a buffer zone between Israel and Syria’s Golan Heights according to the 1974 Disengagement of Forces Agreement, to be governed and policed by the Syrian authorities. No military forces other than UNDOF are permitted within it. Today it has 1,200 observers.
Since 2013 and the escalation of Israeli attacks on Syria along the Golan Heights, claiming pursuit of “Hezbollah terrorists,” the UNDOF itself has been subject to massive attacks by ISIS or Al Qaeda’s Al Nusra Front terrorists in the Golan Heights for the first time since 1974, of kidnappings, of killings, of theft of UN weapons and ammunition, vehicles and other assets, and the looting and destruction of facilities. Someone obviously does not want UNDOF to remain policing the Golan Heights.
Israel and Golan Heights Oil
In his November 9 White House meeting with US President Obama, Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu asked Washington to reconsider the fact that since the 1967 Six-Days’ War between Israel and the Arab countries, Israel has illegally occupied a significant part of the Golan Heights. In their meeting, Netanyahu, apparently without success, called on Obama to back formal Israeli annexation of the illegally-occupied Golan Heights, claiming that the absence of a functioning Syrian government “allows for different thinking” concerning the future status of the strategically important area.
Of course Netanyahu did not address in any honest way how Israeli IDF and other forces had been responsible for the absence of a functioning Syrian government by their support for ISIS and Al Nusra Front of Al Qaeda.
In 2013, when UNDOF began to document increasing contact between Israeli military and IS and Al Qaeda along the Golan Heights, a little-known Newark, New Jersey oil company, Genie Energy, with an Israeli daughter company, Afek Oil & Gas, began also moving into Golan Heights with permission of the Netanyahu government to explore for oil. That same year Israeli military engineers overhauled the forty-five mile border fence with Syria, replacing it with a steel barricade that included barbed wire, touch sensors, motion detectors, infrared cameras, and ground radar, putting it on par with the Wall Israel has constructed in the West Bank.
Interestingly enough, on October 8, Yuval Bartov, chief geologist from Genie Energy’s Israeli subsidiary, Afek Oil & Gas, told Israel’s Channel 2 TV that his company had found a major oil reservoir on the Golan Heights: “We’ve found an oil stratum 350 meters thick in the southern Golan Heights. On average worldwide, strata are 20 to 30 meters thick, and this is 10 times as large as that, so we are talking about significant quantities.” As I noted in an earlier article, the International Advisory Board of Genie Energy includes such notorious names as D!ck Cheney, former CIA head and infamous neo-con James Woolsey, Jacob Lord Rothschild and others.
Of course no reasonable person in their right mind would suggest there might be a link between Israeli military dealings with the ISIS and other anti-Assad terrorists in Syria, especially in the Golan Heights, and the oil find of Genie Energy in the same place, and with Netanyahu’s latest Golan Heights “rethink” appeal to Obama. That would smell too much like “conspiracy theory” and all reasonable people know conspiracies don’t exist, only coincidences. Or? In fact, to paraphrase the immortal words of Brad Pitt in the role of West Virginia First Lieutenant Aldo Raine in the final scene of Tarantino’s brilliant film, Inglorious Basterds, it seems that ‘Ol Netanyahu and his pecker-suckin pals in the IDF and Mossad just got caught with their hands in a very dirty cookie jar in Syria.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article43544.htm
F. William Engdahl is strategic risk consultant and lecturer, he holds a degree in politics from Princeton University and is a best-selling author on oil and geopolitics, exclusively for the online magazine “New Eastern Outlook”.
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"Why Israel wants Assad Out
In December, 2014 the Jerusalem Post in Israel reported the findings of a largely ignored, and politically explosive report detailing UN sightings of Israeli military together with ISIS terrorist combatants. The UN peacekeeping force, UN Disengagement Observer Force (UNDOF), stationed since 1974 along the Golan Heights border between Syria and Israel, revealed that Israel had been working closely with Syrian opposition terrorists, including Al Qaeda’s Al Nusra Front and IS in the Golan Heights, and “kept close contact over the past 18 months.” The report was submitted to the UN Security Council. Mainstream media in the US and West buried the explosive findings.
The UN documents showed that the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) were maintaining regular contact with members of the so-called Islamic State since May of 2013. The IDF stated that this was only for medical care for civilians, but the deception was broken when the UNDOF observers identified direct contact between IDF forces and ISIS soldiers, including giving medical care to ISIS fighters. Observations even included the transfer of two crates from the IDF to ISIS forces, the contents of which have not been confirmed. Further the UN report identified what the Syrians label a “crossing point of forces between Israel and ISIS,” a point of concern UNDOF brought before the UN Security Council.
The UNDOF was created by a May, 1974 UN Security Council Resolution No. 350 in the wake of tensions from the October 1973 Yom Kippur War between Syria and Israel. It established a buffer zone between Israel and Syria’s Golan Heights according to the 1974 Disengagement of Forces Agreement, to be governed and policed by the Syrian authorities. No military forces other than UNDOF are permitted within it. Today it has 1,200 observers.
Since 2013 and the escalation of Israeli attacks on Syria along the Golan Heights, claiming pursuit of “Hezbollah terrorists,” the UNDOF itself has been subject to massive attacks by ISIS or Al Qaeda’s Al Nusra Front terrorists in the Golan Heights for the first time since 1974, of kidnappings, of killings, of theft of UN weapons and ammunition, vehicles and other assets, and the looting and destruction of facilities. Someone obviously does not want UNDOF to remain policing the Golan Heights.
Israel and Golan Heights Oil
In his November 9 White House meeting with US President Obama, Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu asked Washington to reconsider the fact that since the 1967 Six-Days’ War between Israel and the Arab countries, Israel has illegally occupied a significant part of the Golan Heights. In their meeting, Netanyahu, apparently without success, called on Obama to back formal Israeli annexation of the illegally-occupied Golan Heights, claiming that the absence of a functioning Syrian government “allows for different thinking” concerning the future status of the strategically important area.
Of course Netanyahu did not address in any honest way how Israeli IDF and other forces had been responsible for the absence of a functioning Syrian government by their support for ISIS and Al Nusra Front of Al Qaeda.
In 2013, when UNDOF began to document increasing contact between Israeli military and IS and Al Qaeda along the Golan Heights, a little-known Newark, New Jersey oil company, Genie Energy, with an Israeli daughter company, Afek Oil & Gas, began also moving into Golan Heights with permission of the Netanyahu government to explore for oil. That same year Israeli military engineers overhauled the forty-five mile border fence with Syria, replacing it with a steel barricade that included barbed wire, touch sensors, motion detectors, infrared cameras, and ground radar, putting it on par with the Wall Israel has constructed in the West Bank.
Interestingly enough, on October 8, Yuval Bartov, chief geologist from Genie Energy’s Israeli subsidiary, Afek Oil & Gas, told Israel’s Channel 2 TV that his company had found a major oil reservoir on the Golan Heights: “We’ve found an oil stratum 350 meters thick in the southern Golan Heights. On average worldwide, strata are 20 to 30 meters thick, and this is 10 times as large as that, so we are talking about significant quantities.” As I noted in an earlier article, the International Advisory Board of Genie Energy includes such notorious names as D!ck Cheney, former CIA head and infamous neo-con James Woolsey, Jacob Lord Rothschild and others.
Of course no reasonable person in their right mind would suggest there might be a link between Israeli military dealings with the ISIS and other anti-Assad terrorists in Syria, especially in the Golan Heights, and the oil find of Genie Energy in the same place, and with Netanyahu’s latest Golan Heights “rethink” appeal to Obama. That would smell too much like “conspiracy theory” and all reasonable people know conspiracies don’t exist, only coincidences. Or? In fact, to paraphrase the immortal words of Brad Pitt in the role of West Virginia First Lieutenant Aldo Raine in the final scene of Tarantino’s brilliant film, Inglorious Basterds, it seems that ‘Ol Netanyahu and his pecker-suckin pals in the IDF and Mossad just got caught with their hands in a very dirty cookie jar in Syria.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article43544.htm
F. William Engdahl is strategic risk consultant and lecturer, he holds a degree in politics from Princeton University and is a best-selling author on oil and geopolitics, exclusively for the online magazine “New Eastern Outlook”.
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....ok this is a little nutty but hey its a crazy world out there and anything can happen, can't it ?....
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"See, the Pentagon thinks it can win a war with Russia. Seriously. They do. Because even if it goes nuclear, as long as we wipe them out and we’ve got a handful of bureaucrats and generals alive in their fuehrerbunkers, we won! Hooray! Aren’t you all excited and proud to be an American right now? Gee, it’s swell to know we didn’t scrap all those nuclear weapons after the Cold War. We scrapped the air raid sirens so, hey, if you’re in the shower you might not even know the world is going to end before you’re done washing your hair. Don’t worry about drying it, the heat flash will do that for you.
Don’t you just love it? I can’t see any other conclusion that can be arrived at except that we’re about to risk a war with Russia over al-Qaida. Makes you wonder if al-Qaida ever was formally off the CIA payroll."
....from... http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article43547.htm
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"See, the Pentagon thinks it can win a war with Russia. Seriously. They do. Because even if it goes nuclear, as long as we wipe them out and we’ve got a handful of bureaucrats and generals alive in their fuehrerbunkers, we won! Hooray! Aren’t you all excited and proud to be an American right now? Gee, it’s swell to know we didn’t scrap all those nuclear weapons after the Cold War. We scrapped the air raid sirens so, hey, if you’re in the shower you might not even know the world is going to end before you’re done washing your hair. Don’t worry about drying it, the heat flash will do that for you.
Don’t you just love it? I can’t see any other conclusion that can be arrived at except that we’re about to risk a war with Russia over al-Qaida. Makes you wonder if al-Qaida ever was formally off the CIA payroll."
....from... http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article43547.htm
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Some astrophyisicist calculated that the Russian jet spent about 7.5 seconds in Turkish airspace.
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....a step forward ?....wonder how the forces of goodness and apple pie will respond...
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"Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov says he supports France's proposal to shut down the Turkish-Syrian border as a way to fight Islamic State fighters in Syria.
French President Francois Hollande was in Moscow on Thursday to wrap up a week of international visits in a bid to forge a broad international coalition against the IS.
In the wake of Turkey's shootdown of a Russian warplane over Syria on Tuesday Moscow has lashed out at Ankara, accusing it of buying oil from IS and supporting terrorist groups there.
Lavrov told reporters on Friday that Hollande has suggested "concrete steps" in order to shut the Turkish-Syrian border, which, Lavrov said, should "solve the problem of terrorism on Syrian territory."
...from... The Associated Press | The Canadian Press
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"Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov says he supports France's proposal to shut down the Turkish-Syrian border as a way to fight Islamic State fighters in Syria.
French President Francois Hollande was in Moscow on Thursday to wrap up a week of international visits in a bid to forge a broad international coalition against the IS.
In the wake of Turkey's shootdown of a Russian warplane over Syria on Tuesday Moscow has lashed out at Ankara, accusing it of buying oil from IS and supporting terrorist groups there.
Lavrov told reporters on Friday that Hollande has suggested "concrete steps" in order to shut the Turkish-Syrian border, which, Lavrov said, should "solve the problem of terrorism on Syrian territory."
...from... The Associated Press | The Canadian Press
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Let's be clear on this: I very much doubt that Putin wants a war with the USA. He is not so crazy that he would happily watch over the genocide of millions of people, while risking his own nation against the nuclear bombs of NATO, an organisation which is very anti-Russia already. I may be wrong but this is mainly rhetoric, and has zero sense from a Russian perspective. What do they gain from this?
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Let's be clear on this: I very much doubt that Putin wants a war with the USA. He is not so crazy that he would happily watch over the genocide of millions of people, while risking his own nation against the nuclear bombs of NATO, an organisation which is very anti-Russia already. I may be wrong but this is mainly rhetoric, and has zero sense from a Russian perspective. What do they gain from this?
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...a wee bit confused here....should this: " I very much doubt that Putin does not want a war with the USA." read "I very much doubt that Putin wants a war with the USA."....and yes I agree the Putin is not crazy and also agree with the article which questions the overall sanity of the folks running things at the Pentagon....
...and major whoopsie to report...find below the article from which the quote was taken...( the one listed , while a good read, is not the correct article )..
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article43547.htm
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...a wee bit confused here....should this: " I very much doubt that Putin does not want a war with the USA." read "I very much doubt that Putin wants a war with the USA."....and yes I agree the Putin is not crazy and also agree with the article which questions the overall sanity of the folks running things at the Pentagon....
...and major whoopsie to report...find below the article from which the quote was taken...( the one listed , while a good read, is not the correct article )..
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article43547.htm
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today was another full day of turkey and russia doubling down. here's my review of the events that have been more or less confirmed.
Turkey's Erdogan warns Russia not to 'play with fire'
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/27/us-mideast-crisis-turkey-russia-erdogan-idUSKBN0TG18K20151127?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews
what's the fire erdo meant ? russia suspended the visa-free travel btwn the 2 countries and had expelled some turkish business people. not really the fire imo.
what else ? according to a source The Turkish Air Force suspends flights over Syria amid crisis with Russia over Su-24 downing. the source claimed the suspension was mutually agreed.
http://theaviationist.com/2015/11/27/tuaf-suspends-flights-over-syria/
I checked both the turkish and the russian defense ministry sites to see if there was anything official. there's nothing of the sort. However, i found a turkish anonymous official denying the fact, and a russian speaker to the president (obviously he's not anonymous-peskov) saying 'it's nonsense since we suspended all talks'. my hunch: the romour was a turkish attempt at reducing pressure which was rejected. indeed, one can find many complaints by erdo that vlad is not taking his calls.
and here's the meat.. what are the real events on the ground ? did the sides in fact reduce the intensity of air operations in the immediate vicinity of the syria-turkey border ? if the turks did, there is no evidence that the russians followed...the ever provocative, but often on the money debkafile said the russians are pummeling the turkish-sponsored rebels on the border with vigour.
http://www.debka.com/article/25046/Turkey-suspends-flights-over-Syria-Russia-launches-electronic-warfare-against-Ankara
everything points to a further escalation and that vlad isn't going to relent anytime soon.
Turkey's Erdogan warns Russia not to 'play with fire'
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/27/us-mideast-crisis-turkey-russia-erdogan-idUSKBN0TG18K20151127?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews
what's the fire erdo meant ? russia suspended the visa-free travel btwn the 2 countries and had expelled some turkish business people. not really the fire imo.
what else ? according to a source The Turkish Air Force suspends flights over Syria amid crisis with Russia over Su-24 downing. the source claimed the suspension was mutually agreed.
http://theaviationist.com/2015/11/27/tuaf-suspends-flights-over-syria/
I checked both the turkish and the russian defense ministry sites to see if there was anything official. there's nothing of the sort. However, i found a turkish anonymous official denying the fact, and a russian speaker to the president (obviously he's not anonymous-peskov) saying 'it's nonsense since we suspended all talks'. my hunch: the romour was a turkish attempt at reducing pressure which was rejected. indeed, one can find many complaints by erdo that vlad is not taking his calls.
and here's the meat.. what are the real events on the ground ? did the sides in fact reduce the intensity of air operations in the immediate vicinity of the syria-turkey border ? if the turks did, there is no evidence that the russians followed...the ever provocative, but often on the money debkafile said the russians are pummeling the turkish-sponsored rebels on the border with vigour.
http://www.debka.com/article/25046/Turkey-suspends-flights-over-Syria-Russia-launches-electronic-warfare-against-Ankara
everything points to a further escalation and that vlad isn't going to relent anytime soon.
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....well, well, well....this has just become more , uhhh, interesting...
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"It has now been revealed that the supposed "Syrian Turkmen" rebel leader who boasted about killing that Russian pilot after he ejected from his downed plane is not even a Syrian; in fact, he is a Turkish citizen and the son of a Turkish governmental official! "
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017311304
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"It has now been revealed that the supposed "Syrian Turkmen" rebel leader who boasted about killing that Russian pilot after he ejected from his downed plane is not even a Syrian; in fact, he is a Turkish citizen and the son of a Turkish governmental official! "
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017311304
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....and here is an analysis of a chess game (?) being played out in Syria....
http://thesaker.is/why-is-the-us-hanging-turkey-out-to-dry-article-by-andrew-korybko/
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http://thesaker.is/why-is-the-us-hanging-turkey-out-to-dry-article-by-andrew-korybko/
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Black Friday Saudi-style: Riyadh to behead more than 50 people
....with friends like that eh !....like its really good that these guys are on the side of goodness and apple pie in the war against terror....just think how awful it would be if they weren't...
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....with friends like that eh !....like its really good that these guys are on the side of goodness and apple pie in the war against terror....just think how awful it would be if they weren't...
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^^according to some reports that 'turkish turkman' was sent to allah just hours after he slained a helpless pilot. you can guess by whom...his unit was also mostly wiped out the same day.
what the media in the west did not report was that together with the turkmen rebels actively searching for a surviving pilot, there were mysterious groups equipped by a special radio signal locating devices. ask busted, all downed pilots are equipped with the special radio sets to cue the rescuers as to where they are hiding. luckily for the downed navigator, those 'turkmen specialists', but more likely the turkish special forces, were also wiped out..
^^according to some reports that 'turkish turkman' was sent to allah just hours after he slained a helpless pilot. you can guess by whom...his unit was also mostly wiped out the same day.
what the media in the west did not report was that together with the turkmen rebels actively searching for a surviving pilot, there were mysterious groups equipped by a special radio signal locating devices. ask busted, all downed pilots are equipped with the special radio sets to cue the rescuers as to where they are hiding. luckily for the downed navigator, those 'turkmen specialists', but more likely the turkish special forces, were also wiped out..
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All they have is a small radio that transmits on guard freq(243.0) and international SAR freq, 282.8. May be the VHF versions of these. Also when ejecting, survival equipment, in the ejection seat, starts a on guard freq 'beeper', that can be tracked.
python said:
All they have is a small radio that transmits on guard freq(243.0) and international SAR freq, 282.8. May be the VHF versions of these. Also when ejecting, survival equipment, in the ejection seat, starts a on guard freq 'beeper', that can be tracked.
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russian defense ministry briefings for either or both 26 and 27 november. i restated what i picked up in some of the dozens of sources i read daily quoting their defense ministry briefer. more specifically, it was part of the description of how a downed pilot was rescued.Amsterhammer said:
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The USA is also in quite a bad light here. Erdogan and the Turks are undeniably buying oil from IS on the black market and funding the terrorists supply of arms and equipment. Certainly the Islamic State can't conduct its war in Syria and extend its campaign of terrorism in the West, without such sustainment from Turkey. But Turkey is also a Nato (sic!) member and has the largest army of 1 million soldiers (like Russia) of any in the alliance, except the USA. Turkey is, furthermore, the most strategic location for US military bases in the Mideast and thus critical to America's unwavering defense of Israel. The latter is of course despised by Turkey itself, however. To complicate things additionally everyone is in Syria for a different purpose. The Russians want to keep their stategic partner Assad in power and so are bombing the suuni Turkoman brigades, armed terrorists, backed by Turkey and hence the US, because they fight Assad, who they want removed from power. But Russia is also now in the French charged alliance to fight the terrorists in Syria, along with the USA and Turkey. Assad for his part hopes to create a shiate pact against the suuni Arabs, the terrorists, that the Turks are backing (again, the USA's strongest Nato partner!).
It seems consequently to me that until Palestine is recognized and the Turks stop supplying the terrorists, the USA is in a very bad light. At any rate the "alliance" against terror, in its present form, is unsustainable and decidedly explosive.
Brullnux said:
The USA is also in quite a bad light here. Erdogan and the Turks are undeniably buying oil from IS on the black market and funding the terrorists supply of arms and equipment. Certainly the Islamic State can't conduct its war in Syria and extend its campaign of terrorism in the West, without such sustainment from Turkey. But Turkey is also a Nato (sic!) member and has the largest army of 1 million soldiers (like Russia) of any in the alliance, except the USA. Turkey is, furthermore, the most strategic location for US military bases in the Mideast and thus critical to America's unwavering defense of Israel. The latter is of course despised by Turkey itself, however. To complicate things additionally everyone is in Syria for a different purpose. The Russians want to keep their stategic partner Assad in power and so are bombing the suuni Turkoman brigades, armed terrorists, backed by Turkey and hence the US, because they fight Assad, who they want removed from power. But Russia is also now in the French charged alliance to fight the terrorists in Syria, along with the USA and Turkey. Assad for his part hopes to create a shiate pact against the suuni Arabs, the terrorists, that the Turks are backing (again, the USA's strongest Nato partner!).
It seems consequently to me that until Palestine is recognized and the Turks stop supplying the terrorists, the USA is in a very bad light. At any rate the "alliance" against terror, in its present form, is unsustainable and decidedly explosive.
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