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[djpbaltimore]

I think you meant 'serious' and 'work'. But the bright side is that considering how far your head is buried up in there, you will save yourself the future visits to the proctologist.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

So seriously DJPB do you think the USA should step up in Syria?

I'm of the opinion NO. But I'm not trolling you just want your opinion. Not some clip of an article of opinion. Just your thoughts.

 

[python]

aleppo is now confirmed under the full control of the syrian arab army.

the shooting is officially stopped as reported by all involved sides. the remaining pocket of resistance accepted an ultimatum - fight and die or get on a bus with your personal weapons - the bus fair covered - and leave with your family via a guaranteed safe passage to a rebel area of your choice.

it is a welcome news to the civilians, to assad, to his allies and frankly i welcome it too.

not a good news to the 'rebels', to their sponsors in the west, to the gulf states and turkey. most of those 'rebels' were the jihadist cutthroats using the civilians as human shields. little doubt since virtually all aleppo fighting was street level. not an hyperbola - it was a little stalingrad. some rebels (no quotations !), the small minority according to independent sources, were a secular free syrian army supported by turkey and the us. but those accepted the ultimatum days ago and were moved to the turkish border per their own wishes.

thus we have learned today of a clear vlad victory in aleppo.

a final comment. since i am an avid chess player, i am stunned with the us strategy to walk out of a deal with with russia in september. to remind, an almost signed deal to separate the jihadists from rebels and strike the jihadists jointly. by walking out and doing nothing but talking their heads at the un, the obama geniuses handed the complete victory - instead of an opportunity to share the fruit - to vlad.

if anyone is going to tell me that the obama advisers, including the main 'honourable' sec of state aren't incompetent idiots, i will suggest they study the real events as they happened in stead of the talking to themselves.

 

[djpbaltimore]

Re:

So seriously DJPB do you think the USA should step up in Syria?

I'm of the opinion NO. But I'm not trolling you just want your opinion. Not some clip of an article of opinion. Just your thoughts.

No. Just because I don't think that Assad should be left in charge does not automatically mean that the USA should forcefully push him out. The Red line seemed like a bluff that was called and Obama folded.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Re: Re:

So seriously DJPB do you think the USA should step up in Syria?

I'm of the opinion NO. But I'm not trolling you just want your opinion. Not some clip of an article of opinion. Just your thoughts.

No. Just because I don't think that Assad should be left in charge does not automatically mean that the USA should forcefully push him out. The Red line seemed like a bluff that was called and Obama folded.

I agree with you on both.

Shame Merikah can't intimidate with the threat of power any longer. I blame President Obama for that more than anyone.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Re:

aleppo is now confirmed under the full control of the syrian arab army.

the shooting is officially stopped as reported by all involved sides. the remaining pocket of resistance accepted an ultimatum - fight and die or get on a bus with your personal weapons - the bus fair covered - and leave with your family via a guaranteed safe passage to a rebel area of your choice.

it is a welcome news to the civilians, to assad, to his allies and frankly i welcome it too.

not a good news to the 'rebels', to their sponsors in the west, to the gulf states and turkey. most of those 'rebels' were the jihadist cutthroats using the civilians as human shields. little doubt since virtually all aleppo fighting was street level. not an hyperbola - it was a little stalingrad. some rebels (no quotations !), the small minority according to independent sources, were a secular free syrian army supported by turkey and the us. but those accepted the ultimatum days ago and were moved to the turkish border per their own wishes.

thus we have learned today of a clear vlad victory in aleppo.

a final comment. since i am an avid chess player, i am stunned with the us strategy to walk out of a deal with with russia in september. to remind, an almost signed deal to separate the jihadists from rebels and strike the jihadists jointly. by walking out and doing nothing but talking their heads at the un, the obama geniuses handed the complete victory - instead of an opportunity to share the fruit - to vlad.

if anyone is going to tell me that the obama advisers, including the main 'honourable' sec of state aren't incompetent idiots, i will suggest they study the real events as they happened in stead of the talking to themselves.

The red line and Kerry both can go to Hell.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

 

[blutto]

Cheers

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Cheers

 

[BullsFan22]

Re:

One of the reasons why Hillary lost and the relationship with Russia has gone downhill over the years is because she's opted for a more 'North Korean' leader attire than what she wore back in the day when she got a laugh out of Lavrov. Just sayin.

 

[blutto]

.....the headline on the front page of the Toronto Star was...."The Fall of Aleppo"....

....not "The Liberation of Aleppo" or "The Fall of West Aleppo"....as if the city hasn't been split between the lung-eatering religious lunatics and everybody else since 2012....with the implication that by "falling" the good guys lost, yeah in this linguistic slip of a headline the jihadists are the good guys....

...this is fcuking embarrassing....had always hoped the Star was better than to succumb to the siren call of the "real" and "officially sanctified" fake news....

Cheers

 

[python]

.....the headline on the front page of the Toronto Star was...."The Fall of Aleppo"....

....not "The Liberation of Aleppo" or "The Fall of West Aleppo"....as if the city hasn't been split between the lung-eatering religious lunatics and everybody else since 2012....with the implication that by "falling" the good guys lost, yeah in this linguistic slip of a headline the jihadists are the good guys....

...this is fcuking embarrassing....had always hoped the Star was better than to succumb to the siren call of the "real" and "officially sanctified" fake news....

Cheers

you need to read the right sources, man

President al-Assad receives a telephone call from President Rouhani, congratulating the Syrian people for victory in Aleppo

http://sana.sy/en/?p=96197

 

[Semper Fidelis]

.....the headline on the front page of the Toronto Star was...."The Fall of Aleppo"....

....not "The Liberation of Aleppo" or "The Fall of West Aleppo"....as if the city hasn't been split between the lung-eatering religious lunatics and everybody else since 2012....with the implication that by "falling" the good guys lost, yeah in this linguistic slip of a headline the jihadists are the good guys....

...this is fcuking embarrassing....had always hoped the Star was better than to succumb to the siren call of the "real" and "officially sanctified" fake news....

Cheers

you need to read the right sources, man

President al-Assad receives a telephone call from President Rouhani, congratulating the Syrian people for victory in Aleppo

http://sana.sy/en/?p=96197

But it is true with respect to the nortamericano media. I mean who was in control of aleppo before? I'm thinking that the thugs that caved in could care less about the people of Aleppo.

Then again what should we expect from the propagandist media.

 

[Bustedknuckle]

Re: Re:

So glad that Assad will maintain power in Syria.

Syrian government forces have reportedly entered civilian homes and killed people inside “on the spot” in eastern Aleppo, the U.N. Human Rights Office said today. At least 82 civilians, including 11 women and 13 children, were reportedly killed in four different eastern Aleppo neighborhoods, U.N. spokesman Rupert Colville told reporters in Geneva.

The Syrian government has taken over the entire city of Aleppo except for a small and shrinking enclave in the eastern part of the city. Gaining control of the remaining neighborhoods would be a strategic victory for President Bashar al-Assad, returning all urban centers in the country to his control.

I'm sure that Assad and his apologists will say that those civilians were ISIS.
http://abcnews.go.com/International/syrian-government-reportedly-kills-dozens-civilians-aleppo-spot/story?id=44160179

But why do we have to be concerned with trying to change the government of Syria? You don't say in your post that we should but it reads that you are hinting the direction of regime change supported by the USA. The cost of which I don't think merikah is ready to pay.

The red line was drawn in the sand and when it was crossed nothing was done except to finance and provide weapons to people who does not like the USA. Nothing has changed.

Massive killings or assassinations were going on before. Would you like for the incoming US president to do something about this?

Tough all around. Al-Assad is a murderer of his people but with Russia's help, along with precision bombing of hospitals(yes, intentionally targeting hospitals in Aleppo), he will squash all resistance, ISIS and the rebels will melt into the country side and villages and he will see terror bombing for years to come.

Will donnie help Russia do this? You bet he will. Doubt it will be troops but a YUGE air campaign, GREEN ink for US aviators..yoo-hoo.

Is this a good idea..don't know, don't think anybody does.

 

[python]

.....the headline on the front page of the Toronto Star was...."The Fall of Aleppo"....

....not "The Liberation of Aleppo" or "The Fall of West Aleppo"....as if the city hasn't been split between the lung-eatering religious lunatics and everybody else since 2012....with the implication that by "falling" the good guys lost, yeah in this linguistic slip of a headline the jihadists are the good guys....

...this is fcuking embarrassing....had always hoped the Star was better than to succumb to the siren call of the "real" and "officially sanctified" fake news....

Cheers

you need to read the right sources, man

President al-Assad receives a telephone call from President Rouhani, congratulating the Syrian people for victory in Aleppo

http://sana.sy/en/?p=96197

But it is true with respect to the nortamericano media. I mean who was in control of aleppo before? I'm thinking that the thugs that caved in could care less about the people of Aleppo.

while my views are hardly neutral, i still tried to the expand whatever time i could spare... tried to answer your question to myself. that is, i am genuinely interested in learning what's going on in aleppo. so, whilst doing so i stay awayed from the biased sources on either sides. well, not quite, i used them to check or confirm what i read on my primary sources, more specifically:

al jazeera,
middle east eye,
al monitor,
carnegie and
(partially) reuters
(such sources as rt, sputnik (russia), the london human rights outfit (british spooks), sana (the assad), pressTV (iran), TRT (turkey), white helmets (financed by germany and england) are biased by my definition)

so, what i learned was that indeed the majority of the 'rebels' are hard-lined jihadists in one way or another directly allied to, controlled by or affiliated with al qaeda. their sponsors are the gulf arab chaliphates. there were also in aleppo real rebels - they themselves are a loose conglomerate of secular locals and foreigners calling themselves the 'free syrian army'. their sponsors are turkey and the west. they were a decidedly small minority. hence calling them these jihadists, like blutto did, the 'lung-eaters' or as you did 'thugs', isn't far fetched. these were 'rebels' that shot civilians if they tried to run from a war zone, that turned the civilian's homes into the fire and sniper positions. you can imagine the rest...

Then again what should we expect from the propagandist media.

so much for the media...

now, what has really happened in the last few hours ? (again, per the primary sources i listed above)..

24h ago the 'rebels' refused to honour the terms in the 2-3 remaining city blocks still under their control. thus the shooting followed. they said they acted so b/c iran imposed new conditions under the already agreed terms negotiated by turkey and russia. note, not the us and russia, not syria and the rebels directly, but the 2 main sponsors of the warring sides - Russia and Turkey. of course every report blamed assad. it's hardly a surprise they did, but b/c russia and turkey are on a mending course the progress was made. as everyone watching the ME would not be surprised.

what was the us role ? well, read my posts above, but whatever the kerry idiot achieved was the reprieve for the cut-throats..

read more or less more here:

http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/pro-assad-forces-fire-convoy-leaving-east-aleppo-rescue-worker-215897105

--
apologies to the readers. whatever language my brain was busy with while typing the post, it was NOT english.
i fixed a dozen errors while probably leaving 2 dozens still sorry.

 

[movingtarget]

Re: Re:

So glad that Assad will maintain power in Syria.

Syrian government forces have reportedly entered civilian homes and killed people inside “on the spot” in eastern Aleppo, the U.N. Human Rights Office said today. At least 82 civilians, including 11 women and 13 children, were reportedly killed in four different eastern Aleppo neighborhoods, U.N. spokesman Rupert Colville told reporters in Geneva.

The Syrian government has taken over the entire city of Aleppo except for a small and shrinking enclave in the eastern part of the city. Gaining control of the remaining neighborhoods would be a strategic victory for President Bashar al-Assad, returning all urban centers in the country to his control.

I'm sure that Assad and his apologists will say that those civilians were ISIS.
http://abcnews.go.com/International/syrian-government-reportedly-kills-dozens-civilians-aleppo-spot/story?id=44160179

But why do we have to be concerned with trying to change the government of Syria? You don't say in your post that we should but it reads that you are hinting the direction of regime change supported by the USA. The cost of which I don't think merikah is ready to pay.

The red line was drawn in the sand and when it was crossed nothing was done except to finance and provide weapons to people who does not like the USA. Nothing has changed.

Massive killings or assassinations were going on before. Would you like for the incoming US president to do something about this?

Tough all around. Al-Assad is a murderer of his people but with Russia's help, along with precision bombing of hospitals(yes, intentionally targeting hospitals in Aleppo), he will squash all resistance, ISIS and the rebels will melt into the country side and villages and he will see terror bombing for years to come.

Will donnie help Russia do this? You bet he will. Doubt it will be troops but a YUGE air campaign, GREEN ink for US aviators..yoo-hoo.

Is this a good idea..don't know, don't think anybody does.

The aerial photos of Syria look like Berlin 1945.

 

[BullsFan22]

I find it rather amusing that all of a sudden Americans are concerned about lives in the Middle East. Where was this outrage when Big Tex Bushy and his successor who will be out of a job shortly, were bombing and invading the snot out of Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya? What, you thought it was a good idea to intervene some more, directly and indirectly kill well over a million innocent people so the puppet governments could sell you oil at a cheap price? Now the Russians are in Syria at the request of the Syrian government and help defeat terrorist organization(s) that have ravaged that country for the past 5 or 6 years and that is bad because it's Russia and it's none of Russia's business what happens there and they are bombing hospitals and shooting at civilians??

 

[gooner]

A French documentary tonight.

 

[JackRabbitSlims]

Swedish towns told to 'make preparations regarding the threat of war and conflict' with Russia

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11768380

 

[movingtarget]

A French documentary tonight.

Putin and his thug mentality. i read somewhere this week that at a meeting with Angela Merkel he brought in his monstrous dog. Everyone knew beforehand that Merkel had a fear of dogs. This was also after Merkel had been vocal about human rights abuses. And I see some Japanese politicians this week were also introduced to the dog or maybe it was was a different one. The other one may have earned it's right to a shallow grave ! Maybe it failed to bite Merkel ?

 

[BullsFan22]

A French documentary tonight.

Putin and his thug mentality. i read somewhere this week that at a meeting with Angela Merkel he brought in his monstrous dog. Everyone knew beforehand that Merkel had a fear of dogs. This was also after Merkel had been vocal about human rights abuses. And I see some Japanese politicians this week were also introduced to the dog or maybe it was was a different one. The other one may have earned it's right to a shallow grave ! Maybe it failed to bite Merkel ?

Don't worry about Merkel. She'll see the door in the elections next year. The SPD-Green-Left alliance won't be so kind. Though to be honest I do feel sorry for her. She has to do what the US tells her to do, she has to be careful with Russia and she has a crapshoot in the form of the EU to deal with on a daily basis.

 

[Jagartrott]

Putin is a piece of shiyte, I don't know why people here are defending him.
That doesn't mean the US and other countries' foreign policies haven't been shiyte either, of course. But siding with Putin is something that no progressive, anywhere should do.

 

[BullsFan22]

Re:

Putin is a piece of shiyte, I don't know why people here are defending him.
That doesn't mean the US and other countries' foreign policies haven't been shiyte either, of course. But siding with Putin is something that no progressive, anywhere should do.

Putin is definitely no angel, but the endless vitriol towards anything Russia, even things that have very little to do with Putin, is going overboard.

Maybe it's cultural differences, but I've seen first hand what US foreign policy is capable of, and I am not a fan. For years the US government has been causing havoc in every corner of the world with its regime change, installing puppet governments, sanctions, embargoes, occupations through army bases, etc, and now that the Russians are throwing a card on the table, the US government gets all uppity.

The thing is, the rest of the world has to play along and get dragged into that.

 

[python]

just finished perusing my morning news head lines. thankfully, unlike last morning, there are no reports of any shooting in aleppo. the civilians are gradually rising their heads...here's what puzzled me ?

just yesterday the western msm was filled with pleas to stop the cruelties against civilians, to feed them, to cloth them etc. here seems a perfect opportunity to stop mouthing off and do some good deeds by the rich countries that worried so much. yet, i found none, no news of urgent humanitarian assistance or even intiatives to that extent. none in DW, none in the guardian, none by reuters. but i did read about the turkish, the regime and even the russian efforts to ease the civilian life..

can someone point me to any news where the the western humanitarians are scrambling to help the poor civilians in aleppo ?

 

[BullsFan22]

Re:

just finished perusing my morning news head lines. thankfully, unlike last morning, there are no reports of any shooting in aleppo. the civilians are gradually rising their heads...here's what puzzled me ?

just yesterday the western msm was filled with pleas to stop the cruelties against civilians, to feed them, to cloth them etc. here seems a perfect opportunity to stop mouthing off and do some good deeds by the rich countries that worried so much. yet, i found none, no news of urgent humanitarian assistance or even intiatives to that extent. none in DW, none in the guardian, none by reuters. but i did read about the turkish, the regime and even the russian efforts to ease the civilian life..

can someone point me to any news where the the western humanitarians are scrambling to help the poor civilians in aleppo ?

Putin is preventing any humanitarians from entering the country and assisting the people.