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popolo said:
Calling people names?

Aren't they self identifying?

WHAT THE **** are you talking about? You have a bad view on things but hey that is your opinion.

Yeah you associated me as a T-?????? in your post... that was what you wanted to do correct? It is far from the truth but please tell me how I am wrong. I am going to pop the top on a good ale so give yourself some time to come up with some more cleaver demeaning terms to refer or reply to my post.
 
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That is true. But that does not make President Obama ....NOT a socialist. That is not a bad thing. It is WHO HE is. WTF is wrong with calling him that? :mad:

Yall are some poor behaving folks. I am NOT putting President Obama down when I say that he is a socialist. Good luck and have fun.

Red....please do not call me names any longer.

any longer than what?

imbessle? Teabagger? 9 letters?
 
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Drop the personal insults please.

I am going to lock this conversation for a little while to let some people cool off. If I forget to reopen it in around an hour, please send me a PM to remind me.

Note - for future reference, associating any member here with the term Tbagger WILL get you moderated for insulting another member - no exceptions.
 
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This is the guy that had to offer up his wife to the republican senator..Typical republican behavior.."boss don't you want to meet my 13yr old daughter or my wife? I love my job that much,,"

""A former aide to retiring Sen. John Ensign (R-Nev.) has been indicted by a federal grand jury on charges of violating conflict of interest laws.

The Justice Department announced the indictment late Thursday, which charges Doug Hampton with seven counts of violating criminal conflict of interest laws for allegedly engaging in unlawful communication with Ensign's office, violating the Senate's "revolving door" policy.

According to the indictment, after Hampton left Ensign's office in 2008 he "knowingly and willfully made, with the intent to influence, communications to staff members of the U.S. senator" on behalf of an energy company he was employed by at the time.

Hampton is alleged to have sought the assistance of Ensign and other staff members for help in moving forward a proposal to build a power plant in eastern Nevada.

Hampton, if convicted, could face up to five years in prison for each of the seven counts in the indictment. He is set to be arraigned in U.S. District Court in Washington, D.C. on March 31.
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http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/senate-races/151807-former-aide-to-sen-ensign-indicted
 
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This is the guy that had to offer up his wife to the republican senator..Typical republican behavior.."boss don't you want to meet my 13yr old daughter or my wife? I love my job that much,,"

""A former aide to retiring Sen. John Ensign (R-Nev.) has been indicted by a federal grand jury on charges of violating conflict of interest laws.

The Justice Department announced the indictment late Thursday, which charges Doug Hampton with seven counts of violating criminal conflict of interest laws for allegedly engaging in unlawful communication with Ensign's office, violating the Senate's "revolving door" policy.

According to the indictment, after Hampton left Ensign's office in 2008 he "knowingly and willfully made, with the intent to influence, communications to staff members of the U.S. senator" on behalf of an energy company he was employed by at the time.

Hampton is alleged to have sought the assistance of Ensign and other staff members for help in moving forward a proposal to build a power plant in eastern Nevada.

Hampton, if convicted, could face up to five years in prison for each of the seven counts in the indictment. He is set to be arraigned in U.S. District Court in Washington, D.C. on March 31.
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http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/senate-races/151807-former-aide-to-sen-ensign-indicted

yes, republicans are known for sleeping with their aide's wives. this makes how many times?

you're really reaching, man. did you forget to take your meds today?

p.s. way to go getting the whole class in trouble, you booger eater !!!
 
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patricknd said:
yes, republicans are known for sleeping with their aide's wives. this makes how many times?

you're really reaching, man. did you forget to take your meds today?

Republican underlings are known for offering it up..Themselves, their wife, daughter, son..It's how the republican party works..Having secrets and keeping secrets and trying to leverage their way in life...Tom DeLay never had to do much arm twisting of people he took on child sex vacation junkets to Guam. eh?
 
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patricknd said:
yes, republicans are known for sleeping with their aide's wives. this makes how many times?

you're really reaching, man. did you forget to take your meds today?

p.s. way to go getting the whole class in trouble, you booger eater !!!

Naw, Glenn was the one who told teacher.:D
 
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redtreviso said:
Republican underlings are known for offering it up..Themselves, their wife, daughter, son..It's how the republican party works..Having secrets and keeping secrets and trying to leverage their way in life...Tom DeLay never had to do much arm twisting of people he took on child sex vacation junkets to Guam. eh?

your brain must be quite an adventure. you're making charlie sheen sound rational. :eek:
 
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redtreviso said:
Republican underlings are known for offering it up..Themselves, their wife, daughter, son..It's how the republican party works..Having secrets and keeping secrets and trying to leverage their way in life...Tom DeLay never had to do much arm twisting of people he took on child sex vacation junkets to Guam. eh?

I don't know anything about that. But the point is it is the repubs who are always on the religion/family values bandwagon, and when push comes to shove they are more kinky that the dems.
 
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redtreviso said:
Republican underlings are known for offering it up..Themselves, their wife, daughter, son..It's how the republican party works..Having secrets and keeping secrets and trying to leverage their way in life...Tom DeLay never had to do much arm twisting of people he took on child sex vacation junkets to Guam. eh?

Prove it or STFU.
 
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I don't know anything about that. But the point is it is the repubs who are always on the religion/family values bandwagon, and when push comes to shove they are more kinky that the dems.

Be very careful, HJ. You are dangerously close to condemning one of your own.
 

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Martin318is said:
Drop the personal insults please.

I am going to lock this conversation for a little while to let some people cool off. If I forget to reopen it in around an hour, please send me a PM to remind me.

Note - for future reference, associating any member here with the term Tbagger WILL get you moderated for insulting another member - no exceptions.

Btw,,

FYI, another right wing strategy in the USA is phony outrage.

"How dare You!" LMAO
 
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Scott SoCal said:
Be very careful, HJ. You are dangerously close to condemning one of your own.

Well now that's the thing, unlike your side of the isle we can actually disagree without being excommunicated. It is our strength and our great weakness, we reserve the right to question.
 
Cobblestones said:
Actually, the word 'republic' has a bit different meaning in the US than anywhere else. 'Republic' generally denotes a form of government without a hereditary ruler, i.e., the opposite of a monarchy, except in the US, where the meaning is much more specific.

The term was invented by the senatus popolusque romanus (S.P.Q.R.) the "senate and people of Rome" in 509 BCE, who, after bringing down their last Etruscan overlord, King Tarquinius Superbus (Tarquin "the Proud"), set up the new constitutional (and thus anti-monarchial) government the res publica (Republic) of ancient Rome. This was long before there was a vast empire to govern, nor before the "collapse" of the system that led to one man rule in the emperor.

Initially the ancient Roman Republic was in reality no more than a patrician oligarchy, where power was exclusively the domain (and privilege) of the minority wealthy, aristocratic senators and the public officials they elected from among their ranks; however, the rest of the plebeian civilian population in the majority would very soon fight for and obtain access into the government and thus condition the outcome of public affairs in the political debates through their own representational body - whereas everyone was to be held accountable through a common, binding law the lex romana.

In terms of modern standards of equality and civil rights, the Roman Republic was far from adequate, though in its day it was the most civil and civilizing formation of the state that the world had ever known, and is indeed still ultimately the model (in terms of governmental institutions and common law) that the Western World, including the United States of America, is based upon.

The whole idea, however, of the Roman Republic, was to prevent the tyranny of any individual ruler (or social class) from dictating the political agenda and making sure that everyone was to abide by the same civil standards of conduct and rules as established by the law. Thus its enduring legacy.

As far as US party politics goes, the republicans act, have similar concerns and an ideological perspective, in ways that are more congenial with the ancient Roman optimates party, which sided with the wealthy, land owning senators under Sulla during the Social War (over, not surprisingly, land reforms in Italy in the sense of its more equitable distribution among the classes, since land property had been overwhelmingly owned by the patricians they supported); whereas the democrats, in principle at least, act more along the ideological lines of the populares, the party of the plebeians, which, in the years just prior to the Social War, had as its exponents Tiberius and Gaius Gracchus. These brothers tried to push land reforms through the Senate to give the largely disenfranchised plebs some breathing space and thus their fates were sealed in a patrician conspiracy by being both murdered. During the Social War Marius was their man, though he was defeated by Sulla (the optimates leader) and so the badly needed land reforms would have to wait, in order to be successfully obtained, by a certain Julius Caesar (ironically a populares leader with a dictators power, obtained through the Senate - and we all know what happened to him: he was killed on the Ides of March in a patrician conspiracy led by the noble Senators Brutus and Crassus to save, they thought, what remained of a failing Republic). But then soon arrived the first emperor, Augustus, and the ideals of the Republic were irrevocably overturned, much to men like Cicero's chagrin. At this point, however, the distinctions between optimates and populares had become merely symbolic, as wealth and power had come to color and condition everything, just as it pretty much is the same between the republicans and democrats of today.

Sorry if I was being pedantic, but sometimes a little history is good to know because the more things change, the more they remain the same. And so here we still are 2000 years later. Only we don't have to fear a Caesar so much today, as we do a corporate and financial body of plutocrats.
 
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The term was invented by the senatus popolusque romanus (S.P.Q.R.) the "senate and people of Rome" in 509 BCE, who, after bringing down their last Etruscan overlord, King Tarquinius Superbus (Tarquin "the Proud"), set up the new constitutional (and thus anti-monarchial) government the res publica (Republic) of ancient Rome. This was long before there was a vast empire to govern, nor before the "collapse" of the system that led to one man rule in the emperor.

Initially the ancient Roman Republic was in reality no more than a patrician oligarchy, where power was exclusively the domain (and privilege) of the minority wealthy, aristocratic senators and the public officials they elected from among their ranks; however, the rest of the plebeian civilian population in the majority would very soon fight for and obtain access into the government and thus condition the outcome of public affairs in the political debates through their own representational body - whereas everyone was to be held accountable through a common, binding law the lex romana.

In terms of modern standards of equality and civil rights, the Roman Republic was far from adequate, though in its day it was the most civil and civilizing formation of the state that the world had ever known, and is indeed still ultimately the model (in terms of governmental institutions and common law) that the Western World, including the United States of America, is based upon.

The whole idea, however, of the Roman Republic, was to prevent the tyranny of any individual ruler (or social class) from dictating the political agenda and making sure that everyone was to abide by the same civil standards of conduct and rules as established by the law. Thus its enduring legacy.

As far as US party politics goes, the republicans act, have similar concerns and an ideological perspective, in ways that are more congenial with the ancient Roman optimates party, which sided with the wealthy, land owning senators under Sulla during the Social War (over, not surprisingly, land reforms in Italy in the sense of its more equitable distribution among the classes, since land property had been overwhelmingly owned by the patricians they supported); whereas the democrats, in principle at least, act more along the ideological lines of the populares, the party of the plebeians, which, in the years just prior to the Social War, had as its exponents Tiberius and Gaius Gracchus. These brothers tried to push land reforms through the Senate to give the largely disenfranchised plebs some breathing space and thus their fates were sealed in a patrician conspiracy by being both murdered. During the Social War Marius was their man, though he was defeated by Sulla (the optimates leader) and so the badly needed land reforms would have to wait, in order to be successfully obtained, by a certain Julius Caesar (ironically a populares leader with a dictators power, obtained through the Senate - and we all know what happened to him: he was killed on the Ides of March in a patrician conspiracy led by the noble Senators Brutus and Crassus to save, they thought, what remained of a failing Republic). But then soon arrived the first emperor, Augustus, and the ideals of the Republic were irrevocably overturned, much to men like Cicero's chagrin. At this point, however, the distinctions between optimates and populares had become merely symbolic, as wealth and power had come to color and condition everything, just as it pretty much is the same between the republicans and democrats of today.

Sorry if I was being pedantic, but sometimes a little history is good to know because the more things change, the more they remain the same. And so here we still are 2000 years later. Only we don't have to fear a Caesar so much today, as we do a corporate and financial body of plutocrats.

less pedantic and more interesting than usual. i know it's a left-handed compliment like "for a fat girl she don't sweat much" but hey :D
 
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rhubroma said:
... tons of interesting stuff ...

Or we could link to a dictionary. Point 1 is the common US usage, point 3 the global usage of the term 'republic'.

ETA: and since we're getting into definitions of things, why not look at the word socialism. Socialism is a period of revolutionary transitions in which the means of production are no longer private property, i.e., they are socialized.

Obama is no socialist, neither is Eisenhower. The idea of socializing production means is so far from those guys as actual tea******* is from the 'tea******'.

ETA II: by the way, rhubroma, it's senatus populusque romanus, if my seven years of latin have taught me anything.
 
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redtreviso said:
You know it is true scott..power over children is a right of passage for those you hold in high regard..you know..the family values people..

http://civilliberty.about.com/b/2006/10/17/did-the-bush-administration-promote-sex-trafficking-in-the-northern-mariana-islands.htm


Yes, red. Your entire existence revolves around the following;

It's not the nature of the evidence, but the seriousness of the accusation.

Don't you know it's poor form to play the 'October surprise' card in March?
 
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Hugh Januss said:
Well now that's the thing, unlike your side of the isle we can actually disagree without being excommunicated. It is our strength and our great weakness, we reserve the right to question.

Sometimes I get the feeling you are not really paying attention.

Which I completely understand as you have a business to run and this thread has become really boring.
 
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Cobblestones said:
ETA: and since we're getting into definitions of things, why not look at the word socialism. Socialism is a period of revolutionary transitions in which the means of production are no longer private property, i.e., they are socialized.

Obama is no socialist, neither is Eisenhower. The idea of socializing production means is so far from those guys as actual tea******* is from the 'tea******'.

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Thank you, that was just about verbatim what I had finished typing when the thread got closed. It vanished into nowhere land when I hit submit.:(
 
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redtreviso said:
Republican underlings are known for offering it up..Themselves, their wife, daughter, son..It's how the republican party works..Having secrets and keeping secrets and trying to leverage their way in life...Tom DeLay never had to do much arm twisting of people he took on child sex vacation junkets to Guam. eh?

redtreviso said:
You know it is true scott..power over children is a right of passage for those you hold in high regard..you know..the family values people..

http://civilliberty.about.com/b/2006/10/17/did-the-bush-administration-promote-sex-trafficking-in-the-northern-mariana-islands.htm


The linked story is true. I read it before in a Los Angeles Times link. There is one problem because you refer to Guam but in reality it is the Northern Mariana Islands and Guam is the Southern Mariana. They were specifically calling out the Northern Mariana’s because they were represented by Jack Abramoff. Show me where it says Guam? There is a distinction because Guam was not part of the Northern Mariana Islands being represented by Abramoff.
 
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Hugh Januss said:
Thank you, that was just about verbatim what I had finished typing when the thread got closed. It vanished into nowhere land when I hit submit.:(

Nice to agree with someone from time to time.

The word these guys are looking for is 'social democrat' (or revisionist in some circles), but it doesn't have the same scary connotation as socialist. Probably it evokes images of the Swedish bikini team, which reminds me of something ... back in 5 minutes...
 
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Glenn_Wilson said:
The linked story is true. I read it before in a Los Angeles Times link. There is one problem because you refer to Guam but in reality it is the Northern Mariana Islands and Guam is the Southern Mariana. They were specifically calling out the Northern Mariana’s because they were represented by Jack Abramoff. Show me where it says Guam? There is a distinction because Guam was not part of the Northern Mariana Islands being represented by Abramoff.

I know...I just didn't want to spell "north mariannas"
 
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