World Politics

[Anonymous]

They do a lot of participating in not paying taxes..Keeping the Cayman Island banks busy..

When the facts are not on your side just make shit up.

From the IRS....

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-soi/04in06tr.xls

The top 1% is paying nearly ten times the federal income taxes than the bottom 50%. The top 50% of earners pay over 96% of all income taxes. The bottom 50% of earners pay less than 4% of all income taxes so by definition would not see much in any tax reduction.

I guess that's neither fair nor progressive enough for you though.

 

[Anonymous]

They do a lot of participating in not paying taxes..Keeping the Cayman Island banks busy..

Sorry for the spelling errors. It has always been a weakness.

 

[redtreviso]

When the facts are not on your side just make shit up.

From the IRS....

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-soi/04in06tr.xls

The top 1% is paying nearly ten times the federal income taxes than the bottom 50%. The top 50% of earners pay over 96% of all income taxes. The bottom 50% of earners pay less than 4% of all income taxes so by definition would not see much in any tax reduction.

I guess that's neither fair nor progressive enough for you though.

the more people complain the more they cheat on taxes.. It is built into the system..The individual person with a JOB doesn't have such opportunities. To you anyone who cheats is a hero..From the insurance agency franchisee to General Electric.. better they cheat than have taxes go to help the unwashed. or the commons for that matter.. THEY F levitate trough life.

 

[Anonymous]

That's right the super rich get to open bank accounts in the various fiscal paradises of the world, by contrast the middle classes and the poor have to pay down to the last cent.

The problems of corruption and government, while real and urgent, can not be made into an excuse to promote unbridled individualism. Otherwise democracy will truly have served at nothing, except for allowing the elected officials to set an agenda that is catered to the desires and the appetites of the wealthiest class.

Thus in regards to who should hold ownership of all the earnings, Alpe summed it up perfectly. Since no man is an island unto himself and the individual doesn't live in a vacuum, part of his earnings by law are given up to the state. Now I realize that's a dirty word to Scott, however, it must be thought of as a just tribute back to society for having made it possible for him to do his business in the first place. That he doesn't see it that way and has no taste for the collective, is a banality we all know, but the threat of a world in which the haves live barricaded behind guarded walls and the poor constantly move about looking for prey, may not be scenario limited to the least developed countries in the future.

Thus in regards to who should hold ownership of all the earnings, Alpe summed it up perfectly. Since no man is an island unto himself and the individual doesn't live in a vacuum, part of his earnings by law are given up to the state. Now I realize that's a dirty word to Scott,

So in other words the State shall decide how much of their money (that I earn) do I get to keep? Did I get that correct in your view?

Confiscation of labor? Of course not.... it's something altogether different.

The problems of corruption and government, while real and urgent, can not be made into an excuse to promote unbridled individualism. Otherwise democracy will truly have served at nothing, except for allowing the elected officials to set an agenda that is catered to the desires and the appetites of the wealthiest class.

Agree 100%.

 

[Anonymous]

the more people complain the more they cheat on taxes.. It is built into the system..The individual person with a JOB doesn't have such opportunities. To you anyone who cheats is a hero..From the insurance agency franchisee to General Electric.. better they cheat than have taxes go to help the unwashed. or the commons for that matter.. THEY F levitate trough life.

Look, I think I have my myself about as clear as possible regarding corruption. Tax cheaters in all forms.... corporate, individual wealthy as well as those working for cash under the table and those who pay cash under the table are corrupt. THAT IS A DIFFERENT SUBJECT.

Do you hold folks who choose not to pay vehicle registration fees but still drive their car on public roads in the same disdain as the wealthy who cheat on their taxes? How about the people who work in the underground economy thus avoiding all income taxes?

 

[Anonymous]

Open questions to Alpe, Hugh Januss, Redtreviso, Rhubroma and anyone else who wants to chime in.

Please define the level of yearly income you would consider to be "rich" or "wealthy".

What should the top marginal personal income tax rate be in the US?

How much, as a percentage of income tax receipts, should the top 1% of earners pay? How much should the top 5% pay? 10% and 50% same question.

Should there be a cap on how much money an individual can make? If so, what should the cap be set at?

What should the corporate tax rate (on profits) be?

Should there be a limit on how much money any corporate entity should be allowed to make? If so, what should that limit be?

Beyond providing good and safe working conditions, workers compensation insurance, payroll taxes and unemployment insurance for employees, what else should business be mandated to provide their workers?

 

[redtreviso]

Open questions to Alpe, Hugh Januss, Redtreviso, Rhubroma and anyone else who wants to chime in.

Please define the level of yearly income you would consider to be "rich" or "wealthy".

What should the top marginal personal income tax rate be in the US?

How much, as a percentage of income tax receipts, should the top 1% of earners pay? How much should the top 5% pay? 10% and 50% same question.

Should there be a cap on how much money an individual can make? If so, what should the cap be set at?

What should the corporate tax rate (on profits) be?

Should there be a limit on how much money any corporate entity should be allowed to make? If so, what should that limit be?

Beyond providing good and safe working conditions, workers compensation insurance, payroll taxes and unemployment insurance for employees, what else should business be mandated to provide their workers?

So you are the defender of the 1%... Your party is the defender of the 1% of the 1% which you are no more a part of than the 5%. I read that the difference if taxes were raised would be something like 900 dollars for someone making 350k.. So 900 bucks on each 100k over 250k..2700 hundred bucks for someone with 500k taxable.. One dinner party..pocket change..
BOOOOOOOOO FN HOOOOOOOOOOOO...Lets bring everything to a screeching halt over this. How many 2700 dollars does someone making 500k cheat on their taxes?????????????????? LOLOLOLOL.. Oh yea that dinner party they'd do without...They wouldn't.. It was a tax write off...drinks for everyone.

 

[Anonymous]

So you are the defender of the 1%... Your party is the defender of the 1% of the 1% which you are no more a part of than the 5%. I read that the difference if taxes were raised would be something like 900 dollars for someone making 350k.. So 900 bucks on each 100k over 250k..2700 hundred bucks for someone with 500k taxable.. One dinner party..pocket change..
BOOOOOOOOO FN HOOOOOOOOOOOO...Lets bring everything to a screeching halt over this. How many 2700 dollars does someone making 500k cheat on their taxes?????????????????? LOLOLOLOL.. Oh yea that dinner party they'd do without...They wouldn't.. It was a tax write off...drinks for everyone.

Nice angry rant.

You didn't answer a single question I posed. Are you unwilling or just incapable?

 

[redtreviso]

Nice angry rant.

You didn't answer a single question I posed. Are you unwilling or just incapable?

don't care.. You are just a republican..You only vote for hate and bigotry anyway..Taxes are like yard work.. Yours are no harder to pay than anyone elses..

 

[patricknd]

So you are the defender of the 1%... Your party is the defender of the 1% of the 1% which you are no more a part of than the 5%. I read that the difference if taxes were raised would be something like 900 dollars for someone making 350k.. So 900 bucks on each 100k over 250k..2700 hundred bucks for someone with 500k taxable.. One dinner party..pocket change..
BOOOOOOOOO FN HOOOOOOOOOOOO...Lets bring everything to a screeching halt over this. How many 2700 dollars does someone making 500k cheat on their taxes?????????????????? LOLOLOLOL.. Oh yea that dinner party they'd do without...They wouldn't.. It was a tax write off...drinks for everyone.

don't care.. You are just a republican..You only vote for hate and bigotry anyway..Taxes are like yard work.. Yours are no harder to pay than anyone elses..

damn red, meds run out?

 

[Anonymous]

don't care.. You are just a republican..You only vote for hate and bigotry anyway..Taxes are like yard work.. Yours are no harder to pay than anyone elses..

Yes, it is so much easier to rant & rave & insult those you disagree with rather than engage in a discussion.

It seems to me you really don't know much about how economies operate, don't know much about the role of the federal or state govt, don't know much about much, I guess.

Or you do and you'd rather be an ass.

The questions I asked of you are reasonable and should not take a lot of your time and effort to answer. But, true to form, you would rather rant your Saul Alinsky diatribe. I'm not sure who you are trying to fool, me or yourself... but we both know you are full of crap.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

damn red, meds run out?

Something is happening no doubt! I may get drunk and post just so redtreviso cac calm down.

Scott in so "call" in my opinion the rich mark is a floating number depending on location. If I was forced to put a number on it I would say household income at 400thousand. Sure I will catch hell for that number.

 

[Anonymous]

damn red, meds run out?

Nope. He's Polish's sockpuppet. The lol's are a dead giveaway.

 

[redtreviso]

Something is happening no doubt! I may get drunk and post just so redtreviso cac calm down.

Scott in so "call" in my opinion the rich mark is a floating number depending on location. If I was forced to put a number on it I would say household income at 400thousand. Sure I will catch hell for that number.

400k?.. Not even close..10mil a year would barely rate a minute of thought to a member of congress. Remember people like W Bush and Cheney are just posers..Bush made 17mil from the rangers.. Cheney 35mil from haliburton..That barely gets a place setting from the people with real money.. Will republican tax policies help people who make 400k..I doubt it.. The 400k people are barely a notch above the 40k people.

 

[redtreviso]

""Crescendo Charters has continued running its six schools in LAUSD, despite the fact that their boss had directed teachers and principals to help students cheat on state standardized exams. The scandal led the state education department to invalidate the schools’ results. In March, the school board voted to shut down the schools, allowing LAUSD to take the campuses back and start collecting the state funding that had gone directly to Crescendo’s corrupt bosses (See LAUSD Changes Course, Modern School). All this is set to be reversed (again), this time by charter-loving Superintendent John Deasy, who has never met a charter (or profit-based reform) he didn’t like.

Deasy told the board Tuesday he's leaning toward a reprieve after seeing strong reforms at the charter in the wake of the 2010 testing scandal, the Sacramento Bee reported today. The school board would still have to approve Deasy’s recommendation. However, contrary to Deasy’s claims of reforms, six of the principals involved in the cheating are still on the job (they have terminations scheduled for the end of June), but two are being allowed to reapply for their jobs. Furthermore, members of the Crescendo governing board are still on the job.""

http://modeducation.blogspot.com/

 

[Anonymous]

Something is happening no doubt! I may get drunk and post just so redtreviso cac calm down.

Scott in so "call" in my opinion the rich mark is a floating number depending on location. If I was forced to put a number on it I would say household income at 400thousand. Sure I will catch hell for that number.

No catching hell from me. I'm just curious what level of annual income does one have to attain before the govt defines one as 'rich' or 'wealthy'. No one seems to know... or they know but won't say.

I'm curious about the other questions too.

 

[patricknd]

Something is happening no doubt! I may get drunk and post just so redtreviso cac calm down.

Scott in so "call" in my opinion the rich mark is a floating number depending on location. If I was forced to put a number on it I would say household income at 400thousand. Sure I will catch hell for that number.

nice avatar !!!

 

[patricknd]

No catching hell from me. I'm just curious what level of annual income does one have to attain before the govt defines one as 'rich' or 'wealthy'. No one seems to know... or they know but won't say.

I'm curious about the other questions too.

i'm curious about the income cap

 

[Anonymous]

i'm curious about the income cap

I get the feeling the committed leftist believes there should be a cap. I'm curious what that cap will be, however getting someone like Red to admit is a whole different thing.

 

[patricknd]

I get the feeling the committed leftist believes there should be a cap. I'm curious what that cap will be, however getting someone like Red to admit is a whole different thing.

but would they still say that if they won the powerball?

 

[Anonymous]

but would they still say that if they won the powerball?

Excellent question.

 

[redtreviso]

I get the feeling the committed leftist believes there should be a cap. I'm curious what that cap will be, however getting someone like Red to admit is a whole different thing.

committed leftist?... you really are challenged.. I guess you are surrounded by "committed leftists" all the time.

committed leftist?? what is that? left of Ayn Rand's superman?

 

[Boeing]

Open questions to Alpe, Hugh Januss, Redtreviso, Rhubroma and anyone else who wants to chime in.

Please define the level of yearly income you would consider to be "rich" or "wealthy".

What should the top marginal personal income tax rate be in the US?

How much, as a percentage of income tax receipts, should the top 1% of earners pay? How much should the top 5% pay? 10% and 50% same question.

Should there be a cap on how much money an individual can make? If so, what should the cap be set at?

What should the corporate tax rate (on profits) be?

Should there be a limit on how much money any corporate entity should be allowed to make? If so, what should that limit be?

Beyond providing good and safe working conditions, workers compensation insurance, payroll taxes and unemployment insurance for employees, what else should business be mandated to provide their workers?

this is a trick question because scott knows that the top 1% don't pay income tax (and don't put themselves on pay roll). their tax accrues as capital gains.

which might indicate that scott himself isnt in this tax bracket (hint) which might actually make his argument more objective than ya'll think. Not that its correct all the time.

and scott for the sake of discussion it is best to answer your own questions first then ask for an alternative

 

[Anonymous]

Hmmm. Lookey here.

In tax year 2000 (last of the Clinton years), the top 1% threshold was $313,469. The amount of tax paid as a percentage was 37.42%. In 1999, the top 1% paid 36.18% of income.

The Bush years;

............Top (AGI) 1% threshold............% of income paid in tax
2001................292,913....................................33.89
2002................285,424....................................33.71
2003................295,495....................................34.27
2004................328,049....................................36.89
2005................364,657....................................39.38
2006................388,806....................................39.89
2007................410,096....................................40.42
2008................380,354....................................38.02

So how can it be that Bush gave a big tax break to the wealthiest Americans when his tax plan captured a larger percentage of a larger adjusted income?

Kinda debunks that old tired leftist mantra a little, don't it?

The highest AGI percentage tax the Clinton plane ever produced was 37.42%. If you average the top 1% tax paid during the Clinton years you get 32.74%. If you do the same for the Bush years you get 37.06%.

Shhhhhhoooocker.

Eat it Red.

Edit: Wrong link posted

Correct link
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-soi/08in03etr.xls

 

[Anonymous]

committed leftist?... you really are challenged.. I guess you are surrounded by "committed leftists" all the time.

committed leftist?? what is that? left of Ayn Rand's superman?

On this board I am. By you anyway. I don't see many righties up her, do you?