First selection for the Aus team has been released:
http://www.cycling.org.au/?Page=43582
All I can say is why isn't Clarke there?
http://www.cycling.org.au/?Page=43582
All I can say is why isn't Clarke there?
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Because this is a sprinters course? Which is kinda puzzling as to why Sutherland and Porte is there. Davis is the biggest sprinter omitted. I wouldn't have any of Bobridge/Meyer either, would prefer to stick in a good domestique like Lancaster, Wilson etc
Out of that 16, my 9:
Baden COOKE
Simon GERRANS
Matthew GOSS
Adam HANSEN
Heinrich HAUSSLER
Michael MATTHEWS
Stuart O'GRADY
Mark RENSHAW
Chris SUTTON
4 of those could conceivably be the #1 sprinter.
Out of that 16, my 9:
Baden COOKE
Simon GERRANS
Matthew GOSS
Adam HANSEN
Heinrich HAUSSLER
Michael MATTHEWS
Stuart O'GRADY
Mark RENSHAW
Chris SUTTON
4 of those could conceivably be the #1 sprinter.
Tuarts said:
It seems that since Goss had to leave Vuelta he will not be in good enough shape to win. Matthews is too young, finish is too steep for Renshaw, could be good for Sutton based on Vuelta performance, if Haussler improves over the course of the Vuelta he should be the leader.
Tuarts said:
Bobridge, Meyer and Porte are named as the 3 TTers.
Goss dropping out of the Vuelta causes some headaches.
Tuarts said:
How did Renshaw go in Hamburg? Not only is Clarke the best option for an attacker/counter-attacker, he can also be a very good domestique (Mendrisio?).
My team would have been:
Goss
Haussler
Sutton
Gerrans
Clarke
Docker
O'Grady
Hayman
Hansen
From that list my team would be:
Goss
Haussler
Sutton
Gerrans
O'Grady
Hayman
Hansen
Cooke
Sutherland/Matthews
Goss would have the be in a very bad condition to not get picked ahead of McEwen and Howard. At least Haussler finished in the 2nd group yesterday. Sutherland would probably be a good man for the break.
Ferminal said:
My guess would be they will look to use Sutherland the same way they would have used Rogers had he not been out sick most of the season. ie. his HTC role if it comes down to a sprint, he TTs from 10-5km out and keeps the pace high before launching a HTC like 3 man leadout train.
Sutherland was a bit of a bolt from the blue, I remember reading an article where he felt he was persona non grata in the CA setup post being busted.
Problem with all their sprinters would be no-one would let any of them get in a break - where they would probably let Clarke go. Maybe HH hits out at 1k to go (MSR style) to try and throw the trains off and have Goss sitting in on who ever's wheel he thinks is strongest.
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Yes I am puzzled as to why you would pick Gerro in that group rather than Clarke. I imagine both of their roles would be to look for a late attack to follow or sit in a brake and you would think Clarke would be suited to that role better with his faster finish.
My team would be
Haussler (leader #1)
Goss (leader #2)
Renshaw (lead out for whoever is better in the finale)
Hayman
Cooke
O'Grady (Captain)
Sutton
Matthews
(would have been Clarke)
Hansen
My team would be
Haussler (leader #1)
Goss (leader #2)
Renshaw (lead out for whoever is better in the finale)
Hayman
Cooke
O'Grady (Captain)
Sutton
Matthews
(would have been Clarke)
Hansen
Ferminal said:
Could not agree more. Simon did a great job looking after Cadel in particular at Mendrisio and the ultimate result was none too shabby - that big occasion experience has to count for something.
He was right up there with Eddy Boss and other sprinters at Vattenfall last weekend (4th wheel when the sprint opened properly fading only slightly to 7th) on a tough one day course traditionally for sprinters (and not dissimilar to the World's course in Denmark). And that after 3 hard long one day races in Italy during the week with a mixture of terrains (including 2 fifths).
Plus as many have mentioned he is a great attacking option.
For the sake of balance in the team (otherwise heavy with pure sprinters) he should at least be in the long team as an option.
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I think the Aussie team has been picked expecting Great Britain and Belgium to do all the work.
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Nearly said:
yeah I think he should be in the team. There's a real need for a couple of dangerous work horses. Question is who will be leader? Usually I would say Goss but would need to see what sort of form he's in. I don't think Renshaw will have enough in the legs by the finale, Mcewen and Davis don't have it anymore in my opinion so that leaves CJ and Haussler of the top of.my head.
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just some guy said:
And the Germans, they should do everything they can to get it to a bunch gallop. Greipel could well be the favourite going by Cavs current form. He looked like he could of been dropped by strong fart yesterday. And Ofcourse the Dutch will be working towards a Pim Lighart bunch sprint win.
. TBF most sides will be expecting the United Cavdom to do all the work.Btw. Their is a slight chance the worlds course might have to be changed a bit. If the Danish government decides to push the Election button before the worlds, the course will not be allowed to go past the government buildings.
I don't see that happening (would only be relevant for the ITT anyway).
Only if the elections were to be held on one of the ITT days - that would cause a problem.
And that won't happen as there's always 3-4 weeks of campaigning before the election, meaning the election day will already be later than the Worlds week.
And to be honest, it's too late now. The course has been known for years, and if the politicians had had any objections, they should have made them earlier. It's not as if this election is several years early, it was always likely it would be this fall.
If the campaign starts in September, they'll have to f-ing deal with it.
What is more of a disgrace in my opinion is that the ITTs will start and finish in a building site. Couldn't anybody have thought of coordinating the metro construction and that of Industriens Hus?
Only if the elections were to be held on one of the ITT days - that would cause a problem.
And that won't happen as there's always 3-4 weeks of campaigning before the election, meaning the election day will already be later than the Worlds week.
And to be honest, it's too late now. The course has been known for years, and if the politicians had had any objections, they should have made them earlier. It's not as if this election is several years early, it was always likely it would be this fall.
If the campaign starts in September, they'll have to f-ing deal with it.
What is more of a disgrace in my opinion is that the ITTs will start and finish in a building site. Couldn't anybody have thought of coordinating the metro construction and that of Industriens Hus?
No Kristoff in that Norway team??? I would hate for EBH to have to work for Thor, he's faster, is developing and is showing all the form. In the Aussie ITT team couldn't Cadel be included??? Going on his TDF ITT form he should be in there. Howard can also slot into the RR as well as a high pace setter for the end. Also Australia will have to do some work as Belgium will only do work to set up a mass attack for Gilbert. Then they have Nuyens to go and then Boonen for the sprint.
Not sure where the earlier link got its information from, but Cycling Australia has Simon Clarke on the long list for worlds.
http://www.cycling.org.au/?Page=43582
And has Bobridge, Meyer and Porte listed TT only (and Sutherland RR)
http://www.cycling.org.au/?Page=43582
And has Bobridge, Meyer and Porte listed TT only (and Sutherland RR)
PCutter said:
The announcement at that link was updated. There now 17 names on the long list versus 16 previously (sans Clarke).
So in regards to the Australian list, are none of the TTers being considered for the road? As I think Porte could be handy??
The way the CN article was written, it seemed only 9 of: Simon Clarke, Baden Cooke, Simon Gerrans, Matt Goss, Adam Hansen, Heinrich Haussler, Matthew Hayman, Leigh Howard, Michael Matthews, Robbie McEwen, Stuart O’Grady, Mark Renshaw, Sutherland and CJ Sutton would be picked, leaving the TTers to focus on just TTing.
From that list, I think McEwen, and Howard will all definitely miss out (Howard will only go if the long list of sprinters before him aren't fit). I also think that Matthews may still be too young for 300km, but we'll see I guess...
I think 4 of Cooke, Hayman, O'Grady, Hansen and Sutherland are sure, as they'll be doing most of the hard yards. Gerrans and Haussler will possibly be given free roles, and then Renshaw and Goss to work together for the sprint.
I'm not convinced Renshaw will be there to help Goss after 300km though, so he could lose his spot to someone like Sutton or Clarke (I'm not sure on this course taking Clarke and Gerrans is warranted?)
I'm backing the final team to be:
Goss
Hansen
Hayman
O'Grady
Cooke
Gerrans
Haussler
Renshaw/Sutton
Sutherland/Clarke/Sutton
No Davis (which is fair based on form, but hard for him after 3rd last year). If Davis was ever going to win a World Championship it was last year. He should beat Thor in a sprint if he can stay with him for the race. If he couldn't win last year on that course, he won't win this year on this slightly easier course.
Porte would be handy to have around as the 9th man driving for us if we need to chase a breakaway. But that's the trouble with national sides, half the guys only seem willing to ride when the race suits them.
EDIT: BTW. In response to Renshaw's Hamburg result: "Had a shocker at Vattenfalls Classic yesterday. 4 bike changes and a wheel change in first 80kms didnt really help! #badday" was from his Twitter.
The way the CN article was written, it seemed only 9 of: Simon Clarke, Baden Cooke, Simon Gerrans, Matt Goss, Adam Hansen, Heinrich Haussler, Matthew Hayman, Leigh Howard, Michael Matthews, Robbie McEwen, Stuart O’Grady, Mark Renshaw, Sutherland and CJ Sutton would be picked, leaving the TTers to focus on just TTing.
From that list, I think McEwen, and Howard will all definitely miss out (Howard will only go if the long list of sprinters before him aren't fit). I also think that Matthews may still be too young for 300km, but we'll see I guess...
I think 4 of Cooke, Hayman, O'Grady, Hansen and Sutherland are sure, as they'll be doing most of the hard yards. Gerrans and Haussler will possibly be given free roles, and then Renshaw and Goss to work together for the sprint.
I'm not convinced Renshaw will be there to help Goss after 300km though, so he could lose his spot to someone like Sutton or Clarke (I'm not sure on this course taking Clarke and Gerrans is warranted?)
I'm backing the final team to be:
Goss
Hansen
Hayman
O'Grady
Cooke
Gerrans
Haussler
Renshaw/Sutton
Sutherland/Clarke/Sutton
No Davis (which is fair based on form, but hard for him after 3rd last year). If Davis was ever going to win a World Championship it was last year. He should beat Thor in a sprint if he can stay with him for the race. If he couldn't win last year on that course, he won't win this year on this slightly easier course.
Porte would be handy to have around as the 9th man driving for us if we need to chase a breakaway. But that's the trouble with national sides, half the guys only seem willing to ride when the race suits them.
EDIT: BTW. In response to Renshaw's Hamburg result: "Had a shocker at Vattenfalls Classic yesterday. 4 bike changes and a wheel change in first 80kms didnt really help! #badday" was from his Twitter.
Well today Cavendish's chances dropped significantly. I guess he'll have to do ToB instead now, if they let him start. But he has to be in his absolute top shape to be able to contend this race and I don't think he'll get there. That doesn't mean Sky won't have the world champion though...
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