Worlds Copenhagen 2011

[RedheadDane]

Too bad for Matti, entire season wasted.

Yeah...

I actually have a theory: The so-called Curse of The Rainbow Jersey got it wrong and ended up with the silver-medalist by some random fault...
See? It all makes sense now!

 

[just some guy]

Kinda hard to brake with broken fingers probably =/

Too bad for Matti, entire season wasted.

He should be riding a trainer the day after the op.

I played Aussie rules foot ball with a broken thumb and finger 1 week after they got broken, even if the bone pierced the shin once they are fixed the trainer will be there, boring and not the same but he has time and a chance.

Not the best news but I would expect him to ride still.

Form of course a whole different issue

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

I'd love to see a national team TTT. Even if it was just 6 guys per team or something, to make it possible to get most teams in.

I think there would be some cracking teams. Spain, Italy and Australia could be hard to beat though. Actually Norway would also have a strong team.

For time trialing the anglophone countries would be a better bet than most of those you've listed.

 

[abbaskip]

For time trialing the anglophone countries would be a better bet than most of those you've listed.

US and the UK should also go fairly well, but Team Time Trial is a bit different than a normal Time Trial.

I thought some more (posted spur of the moment) and Australia could be mighty hard to beat. Imagine a selection of O'Grady, Rogers, Evans, Porte, Sutherland, Roberts, Cooke, Meyer, Bobridge, Durbridge, and guys like Sutton, Goss and Renshaw would be handy in a TTT environment. You'd be best off having one or two track/pursuiting background guys like them, who are a bit faster, and then they can sit on...

Britain could go ok, but I wonder about the depth.

 

[abbaskip]

Anyone notice the NZ team said they would be working for Dean? I think I'd have him leading out Henderson. Though I've seen Dean stuff so many lead outs, maybe they're trying to avoid that

Probably best off to have them both floating around the Australian and British trains to be honest, and sprinting for themselves.

 

[abbaskip]

For time trialing the anglophone countries would be a better bet than most of those you've listed.

BTW. I mentioned Norway, because as I said, a TTT is very different than an ITT.

Guys like Thor and EBH are AWESOME additions in a TTT. TTTs are ran at a faster pace than a ITT, and these guys can do big turns, and then sit on. They also have KAA.

 

[TeoSheva]

For time trialing the anglophone countries would be a better bet than most of those you've listed.

and what about Germany? they should be the best

 

[auscyclefan94]

and what about Germany? they should be the best

Nah, Australia or USA would beat Germany.

 

[TeoSheva]

Nah, Australia or USA would beat Germany.

are you sure?

MARTIN Tony
KLÖDEN Andreas
VOIGT Jens
GRABSCH Bert

plus some from these:

BURGHARDT Marcus
DEGENKOLB John
GERDEMANN Linus
GESCHKE Simon
GRETSCH Patrick
KITTEL Marcel
SCHUMACHER Stefan
WEGMANN Fabian

 

[auscyclefan94]

are you sure?

MARTIN Tony
KLÖDEN Andreas
VOIGT Jens
GRABSCH Bert

plus some from these:

BURGHARDT Marcus
DEGENKOLB John
GERDEMANN Linus
GESCHKE Simon
GRETSCH Patrick
KITTEL Marcel
SCHUMACHER Stefan
WEGMANN Fabian

Evans, Bobridge, Rogers, Meyer, Durbridge, O'Grady, Porte, Matthews, Sutherland, Roberts...I could keep on going.

Sorry but Australia (imo) would definetly beat Geramny.

 

[TeoSheva]

Evans, Bobridge, Rogers, Meyer, Durbridge, O'Grady, Porte, Matthews, Sutherland, Roberts...I could keep on going.

Sorry but Australia (imo) would definetly beat Geramny.

you are joking... I'm sure.. only Porte can compete with Kloden Martin and Grabsh... the others are far away....

 

[woodie]

you are joking... I'm sure.. only Porte can compete with Kloden Martin and Grabsh... the others are far away....

Did you see the final Tour TT where Evans was only 7 seconds behind Martin? After being told to take it easy on the descent?

A TTT is about how the riders work together, having a couple of massive engines helps but having a group of guys working perfectly with big engines is better.

 

[auscyclefan94]

you are joking... I'm sure.. only Porte can compete with Kloden Martin and Grabsh... the others are far away....

It is a team time trial. Having a few strong guys won't help you. I also disagree with you on that point about Klodi, Martin and Grabsch.

 

[theyoungest]

It is a team time trial. Having a few strong guys won't help you. I also disagree with you on that point about Klodi, Martin and Grabsch.

That Tour TT is the first good TT Evans has done in a long time... guys like Klöden and Martin are more consistent. I definitely agree with TheoSheva that Germany has the bigger TT engines. However, Aussies are quite well trained in the team pursuit, which could help them.

 

[TeoSheva]

Did you see the final Tour TT where Evans was only 7 seconds behind Martin? After being told to take it easy on the descent?

A TTT is about how the riders work together, having a couple of massive engines helps but having a group of guys working perfectly with big engines is better.

that was the most important TT of the life for Evans... and he even lost against Martin (and that was after 3 weeks races and you know what does it means)

 

[TeoSheva]

It is a team time trial. Having a few strong guys won't help you. I also disagree with you on that point about Klodi, Martin and Grabsch.

ok, that's true, but you wanna say me that guys like Voight or Martin are not good in a team?
and which Australian guy is even close to Martin or Kloden (apart Porte, that he's only close anyway!)

 

[auscyclefan94]

That Tour TT is the first good TT Evans has done in a long time... guys like Klöden and Martin are more consistent. I definitely agree with TheoSheva that Germany has the bigger TT engines. However, Aussies are quite well trained in the team pursuit, which could help them.

If Evans wasn't so disadvantaged by the wind in Romandie he would of been very close. I think that tt in the tour proved that Evans was never really in great form for the tt's throughout the year. Martin is a better overall time triallist but Kloden woudn't of beaten Evans in Grenoble or any other hilly tt imo.

that was the most important TT of the life for Evans... and he even lost against Martin (and that was after 3 weeks races and you know what does it means)

He would of beaten Martin if he didn't hold back in the final km's Martin would of also been able to hold back a bit inthe alps where Evans had to make massive efforts the days before.

 

[woodie]

That Tour TT is the first good TT Evans has done in a long time... guys like Klöden and Martin are more consistent. I definitely agree with TheoSheva that Germany has the bigger TT engines. However, Aussies are quite well trained in the team pursuit, which could help them.

I agree Germany has bigger TT engines, but thats ITT, TTT is a whole different ball game. Look at the Tour TTT, BMC got second beating other teams who were meant to have stronger ITTs, like HTC and SKY.

that was the most important TT of the life for Evans... and he even lost against Martin (and that was after 3 weeks races and you know what does it means)

He lost to him by 7 seconds, and who rode in the grupetto for the last week and who raced at the front?

My point is Australia would be stronger in a TTT because they have strong riders who can work together extremely well as opposed to 2 or 3 super TT riders

 

[auscyclefan94]

ok, that's true, but you wanna say me that guys like Voight or Martin are not good in a team?
and which Australian guy is even close to Martin or Kloden (apart Porte, that he's only close anyway!)

I think you are over rating Kloden and Voigt. Grabsch can'tt if it has a hill in the course. It is not about the individual in the ttt. It is about a whole team. Australia overall would have a far better team.

 

[woodie]

ok, that's true, but you wanna say me that guys like Voight or Martin are not good in a team?
and which Australian guy is even close to Martin or Kloden (apart Porte, that he's only close anyway!)

Your missing the point, it's not about which individual rider is better than the other, it's which team (being the nation in this case) is stronger as a unit than the other

 

[LukeSchmid]

I think the USA might be the strongest
Leiphiemer, Vande Velde, Zabriskie, van Garderen, Phinney, Pate, Hincapie, Talansky, Bookwalter, Horner, Danielson, Zirbel, Farrar.

 

[TeoSheva]

Your missing the point, it's not about which individual rider is better than the other, it's which team (being the nation in this case) is stronger as a unit than the other

ok, but has to be proved that they together form a good team, instead it's already proved that individually the germans are better.

 

[woodie]

ok, but has to be proved that they together form a good team, instead it's already proved that individually the germans are better.

Look at Australia in the Team Pursuit, they work perfectly and most Aussie road pros were team pursuiters, plus we aren't talking about individual strength in the ITT we're talking about unit strength in the TTT.

 

[ingsve]

A national team TTT would never be with 9 riders so these comparisons aren't really realsitic. It's more likely they would stick with 4 riders like in the past or at the most 5 or even less likely 6.

Germany has had some good ITTers but Voigt, Klöden and Grabsch are getting old and by the time a Worlds TTT would come around they would be even older.

I think Australia and Great Britain has a great advantage since most of their top time trialers are old team pursuiters so they have the team cooperation down pat which is more important that having someone with a big motor.

 

[just some guy]

100 km 4 man TTT as they used to have.

be interesting you would think GB and Aust 1 - 2

and while Germany would be good I would put my money on New Zealand for 3rd



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