Worst TTers to win a tour?

[andy1234]

armstrong '94, lost 6 minutes to Indurain

Did your "mention Armstrong in a thread" alarm go off?

 

[Cobblestoned]

armstrong '94, lost 6 minutes to Indurain

6:23 - even cooler
master, did you just watch your favorite cyclingporn vid again.
Will you ever get tired of it, and tired of mentioning your favorite moment in life ?
You always bringing and making this issue up might still work for some newbies around here.

For gods sake, then we again have to work with the CLOSER facts....for the 1000th time. I know you don't care. I'll just do it for the people.

- 6 minutes sounds dramatic when you do never mention that it was a 64km TT
- it makes no sense to compare a very young Armstrong with the TT-god of the 90s in his best years
- Indurain was absolutely on fire that day and punished many riders, but not Lance
- that very young rider called Armstrong could be happy just to be sent to hell at this age and was successfull immediately
- that young man finished 13th ! in that TT
- when you take of your blinders and watch the riders and names finishing behind and close to that time/result achieved by Lance, you would see that this TT was not bad for a raw stomping talent
- last but not least, the results - black on white


PERIGUEUX-BERGERAC, 64 km ITT
1. Miguel Indurain en 1h15'58" (Moy : 50.548 km/h)
2. Rominger à 2'00"
3. De las Cuevas à 4'22"
4. Marie à 4'45"
5. Boardman à 5'27"
6. Riis à 5'33"
7. Davy à 5'35"
8. Olano à 5'45"
9. Kasputis à 6'01"
10. Ugrumov à 6'04"
11. Bortolami à 6'12"
12. Emonds à 6'16"
13. Armstrong à 6'23"
14. Bernard à 6'44"
15. Yates à 6'50"
16. Abdoujaparov à 6'52"
17. Vanzella à 7'15"
18. Museeuw à 7'16"
19. Poulnikov à 7'20"
20. Ekimov à 7'22"
21. F.Moreau à 7'41"
22. Peron à 7'46"
23. Breukink à 7'49"
24. Elli à 7'52"
25. Chiappucci à 8'04"
26. Leblanc
27. Louviot à 8'11"
28. Zhdanov à 8'19"
29. Faresin à 8'29"
30. Frison à 8'30"
31. Conti à 8'31"
32. Zaina à 8'35"
33. Furlan à 8'38"
34. Van Poppel à 8'47"
35. Chioccioli à 9'01"
36. Sorensen à 9'02"
37. Zülle à 9'03"
38. Tonkov à 9'10"
39. Mottet
40. Desbiens à 9'26"
41. Outschakov à 9'31"
42. Nijboer
43. Seigneur à 9'33"
44. Lino à 9'34"
45. Aldag
46. Mauri à 9'37"
47. De Vries
48. Colotti à 9'38"
49. Hamburger à 9'52"
50. Tchmil à 9'53"
51. Echave à 9'56"
52. Mejia
53. Anderson à 10'05"
54. Garcia-Camacho à 10'11"
55. Leanizbarrutia à 10'18"
56. Jonker à 10'20"
57. Swart à 10'21"
58. Harmeling à 10'22"
59. B.Zberg
60. Escartin à 10'27"
61. Galetti à 10'30"
62. Vermey à 10'32"
63. Heppner à 10'37"
64. Bugno
65. Virenque
*
*
*
172. Bertolini à 16'21"
173. M.De Clercq à 17'04"
174. Minali à 18'08"
175. Camargo à 19'01"

http://www.memoire-du-cyclisme.net/eta_tdf_1978_2005/tdf1994_9.php

 

[Fowsto Cope-E]

Doping aside the two times where poor TTer's won the tour: 1998 & 2008 the running theme was that the stronger TTer's put in very poor performances along the way. Ullrich cracked completely on the Galibeir and Evans was either tactically poor on Alpe d Huez or not strong enough, compounded by his week final TT.

I would say pure climbers need either a good deal of luck or expectational performances in the mountains to win the tour.

That's a good observation. I've never looked at it that way.

 

[Benotti69]

Did your "mention Armstrong in a thread" alarm go off?

probably just before your 'post another comment on one my posts' alarm went off

 

[andy1234]

probably just before your 'post another comment on one my posts' alarm went off

Don't take it personally, I regularly comment on absurd posts.

 

[Benotti69]

Don't take it personally, I regularly comment on absurd posts.

comment, whine, all reads the same..

 

[andy1234]

comment, whine, all reads the same..

It certainly does. Keep it up.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Obviously Rasmussen in 2007

Because let's be clear. If Rabobank didn't want to protect their image so badly he would have never lost that one.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

Pereiro?

 

[jens_attacks]

Pereiro?

he didn't win one unfortunately

 

[Benotti69]

it certainly does. Keep it up.

originally posted by susan westemeyer
then let me put it more bluntly. If you don't have anything constructive to add, don't say anything.

It doesn't further the thread when people come in and whine that it is not interesting.

Susan

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[andy1234]

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That's the closest thing I have seen to someone bringing their mum to defend them in here.

 

[Mambo95]

Obviously Rasmussen in 2007

Because let's be clear. If Rabobank didn't want to protect their image so badly he would have never lost that one.

Although in that Tour he pulled out an astonishing TT performance in the first long TT, coming 11th (just a few seconds behind Leipheimer, for example).

Considering his past TT performances, that was like Greipel coming 11th on Alpe d'Huez. He was utterly lousy in London though.

 

[hrotha]

Pereiro?

Pereiro was actually a pretty decent TTer, especially in prologues.

 

[Mellow Velo]

Gibo is doing rather well here, so far..................amazing.
Only losing by a bit to Dario Frigo, was the highlight of his time trialing career.

How 'bout Robbie Heras?
Turned in a great ITT and a "clinic related sample", on the same stage.
Other than that, he is only saved from this thread's wrath by Bruyneel's famous wind tunnel.
(cue 1234's derail a thread button)

Or do we have to limit this to the Tour to France, not Italy and Spain?
Lets expand.

 

[rzombie1988]

Although in that Tour he pulled out an astonishing TT performance in the first long TT, coming 11th (just a few seconds behind Leipheimer, for example).

Considering his past TT performances, that was like Greipel coming 11th on Alpe d'Huez. He was utterly lousy in London though.

Rasmussen is a great example. Can't believe I didn't think of it. His TT from one of the previous tours was the stuff of legend(a bad legend...). He may have set the record for the most crashes/problems ever in one TT. It was comical. Miracle is not even the word for his performance in the 07 TT.

 

[Mambo95]

Rasmussen is a great example. Can't believe I didn't think of it. His TT from one of the previous tours was the stuff of legend(a bad legend...). He may have set the record for the most crashes/problems ever in one TT. It was comical. Miracle is not even the word for his performance in the 07 TT.

I was at the London prologue on a sharp corner and there was this kid, about 11 years old, next to me looking at my startlist. He was really smart and knowledgeable. When he saw Rasmussen coming up, he said "Dad, Dad! Watch the next one, he might crash".

 

[Michielveedeebee]

he didn't win one unfortunately

yes he did

 

[andy1234]

Gibo is doing rather well here, so far..................amazing.
Only losing by a bit to Dario Frigo, was the highlight of his time trialing career.

How 'bout Robbie Heras?
Turned in a great ITT and a "clinic related sample", on the same stage.
Other than that, he is only saved from this thread's wrath by Bruyneel's famous wind tunnel.
(cue 1234's derail a thread button)

Or do we have to limit this to the Tour to France, not Italy and Spain?
Lets expand.

No thread derailing from me.

Someone asks an interesting question regarding the worst TTrs to win a Tour.
Cue the default reply to just about any thread from some posters......

Can't the thread be discussed without being hijacked by the Anti LA brigade?
If the suggestions are valid, fair enough, otherwise......

Who's derailing the thread really?

 

[jens_attacks]

yes he did

on wikipedia not on the roads of france

 

[Anonymous]

Had Rasmussen not been sent home by his team, I think he would have won this award fairly comfortably.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzeknUUhRoE

 

[will10]

Rasmussen trundled round the London prologue at minimal effort, he wasn't looking at GC until he had such a big gap in Tignes stage win - he was at the TdF for KoM, not GC.

 

[roundabout]

Probably. I also seem to remember that it was a pretty tricky course favoring riders who could take corners well. Chicken on a TT bike wasn't one of them.

 

[uphillstruggle]

Or do we have to limit this to the Tour to France, not Italy and Spain?
Lets expand.

If we are talking about worst TTer to win a grand tour then Cunego should be mentioned.

 

[scullster46]

Has anyone mentioned Jose Fuente? He would be up there I think. Also, I realize that he never won a GT, but Claudio Chiapucci(sp?) would be up there if he had imo