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Year End Awards 2017

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silvergrenade said:
Bot. Sky_Bot said:
After 120 posts:

Cyclist of the year: Froome 28, Dumoulin 7

Classics rider of the year: GVA 29, Gilbert 9

Climber of the year: Landa 22, Porte 5

Most improved rider of the year: Dumoulin 11, Moscon 5, Teuns 5

Most versatile rider of the year: Moscon 17, Kwiatkowski 14

U23 rider of the year: Gaviria 15, Bernal 14, Moscon 6

Breakthrough rider of the year: Teuns 17, Moscon 12

Team of the year: Sunweb 25, Sky 7, Quickstep 6
Well...the hype is real. :razz: :razz:
Landani FTW at the Giro, Tour and Vuelta. :p #FreeLandani
So much for being the best climber at only one race, Vuelta a Burgos.
 
As far as the best climber is concerned, I'd pick Nairo or Porte as well. All superior perfomances Landa delivers with no pressure in position of a joker. Once he starts slaughtering the entire field as a real leader jersey threat, I'll give him bigger credit.
 
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Põhja Konn said:
The outstanding aspect about Landa was his recovery, not climbing. His climbing was consistently very good, but he certainly did not stand out among other top climbers. His climbing style (like that of Quintana) is deceptively fluent and smooth, meaning it is almost impossible to see he is struggling until he actually blows up. As he is also a fan favourite in this forum, it's inevitable that there are loads of posts claiming he would have crushed everyone had one thing or other not held him back.

Also the smoothness of riding style is partly to blame for the excessive amount of criticism Quintana receives here regularly for not attacking enough. As it is almost impossible to understand whether he is holding back and biding his time or actually struggling and about to blow up, even his fans grow frustrated let alone everyone else.
One of the coolest moments of the year was when you could see Landa dying in the last kilometre of Orope, just before Zakarin and Dumoulin started to sprint for the victory.
 
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Bot. Sky_Bot said:
After 120 posts:

Cyclist of the year: Froome 28, Dumoulin 7

Classics rider of the year: GVA 29, Gilbert 9

Climber of the year: Landa 22, Porte 5

Most improved rider of the year: Dumoulin 11, Moscon 5, Teuns 5

Most versatile rider of the year: Moscon 17, Kwiatkowski 14

U23 rider of the year: Gaviria 15, Bernal 14, Moscon 6

Breakthrough rider of the year: Teuns 17, Moscon 12

Team of the year: Sunweb 25, Sky 7, Quickstep 6

And.....:

Sprinter: Kittel 37!

TT: Dumoulin 42!

The team results are surprising. I know that it's not all that fair to disregard a team's best rider but aren't sunwebs results mostly Dumoulin's? Barguil did have an outstanding TDF though.
 
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Bardamu said:
Põhja Konn said:
The outstanding aspect about Landa was his recovery, not climbing. His climbing was consistently very good, but he certainly did not stand out among other top climbers. His climbing style (like that of Quintana) is deceptively fluent and smooth, meaning it is almost impossible to see he is struggling until he actually blows up. As he is also a fan favourite in this forum, it's inevitable that there are loads of posts claiming he would have crushed everyone had one thing or other not held him back.

Also the smoothness of riding style is partly to blame for the excessive amount of criticism Quintana receives here regularly for not attacking enough. As it is almost impossible to understand whether he is holding back and biding his time or actually struggling and about to blow up, even his fans grow frustrated let alone everyone else.
One of the coolest moments of the year was when you could see Landa dying in the last kilometre of Orope, just before Zakarin and Dumoulin started to sprint for the victory.

I guess you meant Quintana, as it was him who completely blew when they reached the cobbled stretch at the end of Oropa. Landa was relatively unremarkable that day.

But that really was one of the most memorable moments this season and a pivotal one at that. Imo Quintana lost the Giro and any chance at the double that day as he went far too deep trying to hold off Dumoulin and never really recovered from it.
 
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Durden93 said:
The team results are surprising. I know that it's not all that fair to disregard a team's best rider but aren't sunwebs results mostly Dumoulin's? Barguil did have an outstanding TDF though.
Matthews Tour campaign was great too. Overall 4 stages wins in the tour.
Kelderman 4th in the Vuelta.
They won the world TTT.
 
I get the Sunweb thing, but clearly they haven't been the best team of the year, rather the best value for money team of the year, given their relatively small budget vs that of Sky. Two GTs, including the biggie, literally weeks and weeks in yellow and red, stages in all GTs, a monument, 2 other genuine Classics, Paris-Nice is an insane honours list for one season, and Sky have, hands down, been the best team. I mean, 2 GTs and a monument, when was the last time that happened?
 
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SafeBet said:
Durden93 said:
The team results are surprising. I know that it's not all that fair to disregard a team's best rider but aren't sunwebs results mostly Dumoulin's? Barguil did have an outstanding TDF though.
Matthews Tour campaign was great too. Overall 4 stages wins in the tour.
Kelderman 4th in the Vuelta.
They won the world TTT.

Oh wow, I completely forgot about Kelderman. That gives them a great performance in all 3 GTs and Worlds. Solid season.
 
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Breh said:
16 is the number of GT stages Quick Step has won this year.
But let's be fair, their spring (excluding Gilbert) was really frustrating. Out of the biggest ten spring races (in my book) they won two, came second in four, third in another two and fourth in another two. That's excellent for a normal team but a team like Quickstep would be wanted more wins. Mind you, it has overall been a very good year for them too.
 
King Of The Wolds said:
I get the Sunweb thing, but clearly they haven't been the best team of the year, rather the best value for money team of the year, given their relatively small budget vs that of Sky. Two GTs, including the biggie, literally weeks and weeks in yellow and red, stages in all GTs, a monument, 2 other genuine Classics, Paris-Nice is an insane honours list for one season, and Sky have, hands down, been the best team. I mean, 2 GTs and a monument, when was the last time that happened?
Hence, Team Sky is my pick of the year. :p ;)
But then, if we start thinking about the worst team performance it would be cruel to say Cannondale were the worst or some of the lowest budgets team. I'll be looking at teams like Trek who've got a great budget but their season was nothing short of a disaster.
So, that way Team Sunweb did really really well; that, coupled with anti-Sky sentiment across the forum it was pretty much expected that they'll win hands down. :) :razz:

P.S: Thanks to Sky.Bot for summarising the results. Top Job!
 
King Of The Wolds said:
I get the Sunweb thing, but clearly they haven't been the best team of the year, rather the best value for money team of the year, given their relatively small budget vs that of Sky. Two GTs, including the biggie, literally weeks and weeks in yellow and red, stages in all GTs, a monument, 2 other genuine Classics, Paris-Nice is an insane honours list for one season, and Sky have, hands down, been the best team. I mean, 2 GTs and a monument, when was the last time that happened?
Astana came pretty damn close in 2015.

2nd and 3rd in the Giro, with 5 stages
4th in the Tour, with 1 stage
1st in the Vuelta, with 1 stage

1st in Lombardia.

Not close in other races though.

I don't really remember how Liquigas did in the monuments in 2010.
 
Sky's major victories this year

Tour de France
Vuelta a Espana
Vuelta Points
Giro King of the Mountains
Paris-Nice
Milan-San Remo
Strade Bianche
Clasica San Sebastien
Cyclassics Hamburg
Bretegne Classic
Vuelta a Burgos
Tour of the Alps
(with six different riders)

That's as big a haul as any team in recent years. They were clearly the best team in absolute terms. But if people want to take budget into account, that's their prerogative
 
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Hugo Koblet said:
LaFlorecita said:
So this thread is basically just Sky fans moaning about people not picking Sky for every category :rolleyes:
I don't see any posts like that in this thread. But it's hard to argue that Sky haven't had a very good season.
So? For each category you could argue for or against many options. But apparently, looking at the last few pages and seeing sentences such as "who let their child loose in this thread", "utterly preposterous to pick someone other than Froome" and "some of you really need to get a grip", it's blasphemy to not pick Froome for rider & climber of the year and Sky for team of the year. :rolleyes: seems some Sky fans are now going to police the opinions of others.
 
I just want to mention that in the op the category was not called "best team of the year" but "team of the year". And just like I think it's reasonable to argue that Icelands football team was the team of the european championship 2016 although they didn't even win. Team sky had a great season but they weren't that much better than expected. Sunweb however went into this season as a team which was expected to be mediocre and ended up being one of the best teams in the world.
 
Gigs_98 said:
I just want to mention that in the op the category was not called "best team of the year" but "team of the year". And just like I think it's reasonable to argue that Icelands football team was the team of the european championship 2016 although they didn't even win. Team sky had a great season but they weren't that much better than expected. Sunweb however went into this season as a team which was expected to be mediocre and ended up being one of the best teams in the world.

This precisely.
 
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LaFlorecita said:
So this thread is basically just Sky fans moaning about people not picking Sky for every category :rolleyes:

Flo, it's not about that. I'm not a sky fan, but I acknowledge their accomplishments. There are just as many posters who will find reasons to not like sky and to diminish their accomplishments as there are sky fanboys. You can disagree with their team, it's management, riding style etc. but it's certifiably insane to not acknowledge that they had an outstanding season. The best season? Maybe not, that's subjective. But for people to not even consider them as a great team is ludicrous.
 
Red Rick said:
King Of The Wolds said:
I get the Sunweb thing, but clearly they haven't been the best team of the year, rather the best value for money team of the year, given their relatively small budget vs that of Sky. Two GTs, including the biggie, literally weeks and weeks in yellow and red, stages in all GTs, a monument, 2 other genuine Classics, Paris-Nice is an insane honours list for one season, and Sky have, hands down, been the best team. I mean, 2 GTs and a monument, when was the last time that happened?
Astana came pretty damn close in 2015.

2nd and 3rd in the Giro, with 5 stages
4th in the Tour, with 1 stage
1st in the Vuelta, with 1 stage

1st in Lombardia.

Not close in other races though.

I don't really remember how Liquigas did in the monuments in 2010.

The only thing that I remember from Liquigas in 2010 is Nibali faceplanting on the descent of Sormano, and I dont remember anything from them in 2010 Tour.
 
Cyclist of the year: 1st: GVA. 2nd: Froome. Then Valverde, Nibali,and Dumoulin in some order.
Sprinter of the year: Kittel
Classics rider of the year: GVA in a walk
Time-trialist of the year: Dumoulin
Climber of the year: Tough. Think it might have been Porte without the crash.
Most improved rider of the year: Teuns
Most versatile rider of the year: Van Der Poel. Yes, he counts since he finished on the podium on the road 10 times and won 5 times, including against the likes of Gilbert, Benoot, Martin, Naesen, etc...and then there are his mtb and cross exploits - doesn't get much more versatile than that
U23 rider of the year: Gaviria
Breakthrough rider of the year: Roson or Postlberger.
Team of the year: Has to be Sky I guess with QS 2nd if we're talking about the actual best team and no the team that got the most out of it's talent

Best moment of the year: AC going out with a win in basically his last competitive race day with a win on l'Angliru.