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Granville57 said:I thought you were changing your screen name so as not to be confused with JV? And I couldn't help but notice that you removed your signature that clarified the fact that you are not JV.
Sorry for the off topic. It's not a personal attack, just an observation.
jw1979 said:You don't see this at the bottom of my post? (I am NOT "JV1973".) I see it. If you don't see it that's because you are looking for it after you hit reply to my post, and signatures are not shown once you (or at least for me) hit reply to a post; only the text people wrote shows up.
I applied for a new screen name several months ago, at the time you are referring to and have not been given access to post on the forum with my new screen name. When I first joined, with this current name, it took several months before they said I could post in the forum as well. It's not an automatic thing right when you sign up, someone has to approve it and whoever is in charge of that is extremely slow.
jw1979 said:You don't see this at the bottom of my post?
Bluenote said:Have you tried PMing Afrank? He's usually very helpful.
I'm not so sure, I agree with Hitch on this one.armchairclimber said:So, the long and the short of it is that there is nothing really that a clean rider could say that hasn't already been said by dopers. It's tough.
The Hitch said:An acknowledgment that doping is real and its possible to beat tests.
I don't think I'm in a good position to comment on that. Sorry.
armchairclimber said:So, the long and the short of it is that there is nothing really that a clean rider could say that hasn't already been said by dopers. It's tough.
cineteq said:You call out riders you know who are NOT clean and relevant.
Tonton said:Not to say that Pinot is clean for sure. I hope he is. But credit to him for making a step that I hope others will follow. As one Brit said, maybe not the end, not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps the end of the beginning.
We'll see what Pinot says if he wins the '15 TdF
I can feel the flak coming my way
ralphbert said:The short answer is if there was something to say then dopers would say it too cause they are sneaky
armchairclimber said:This question shouldn't be construed as a judgement on my part on Nibali's innocence or otherwise. However, in the Nibali thread, he has been lampooned for coming out with the same guff that Armstrong came out with....it would be stupid to dope, why would I dope? etc.
So, imagine you are a GT winning rider who is clean (a stretch for some of you, I know, but go with it).... what exactly should you say when two of your team mates have been popped for EPO use, steroid abuse or whatever? What could be said that wouldn't be lampooned in the clinic?
daveyt said:Pretty much every post assumes that our clean rider is a real expert on doping, with the inside knowledge on who is doping and some even demand knowledge on riders who retired before most current riders were born?
Is this entirely reasonable? For example the young French guys that many think appear to be the most credible could have been completly sheltered?
More realistic that riders only real care about dopers who beat them (not a problem for our clean GT winner).
And why on earth would someone who didn't grow up in the EPO era now look back at the names of riders or the results? It's just depressing... so, therefore, how would you know who had been busted for doping outside of the really big names?
Really asking our clean rider to put in a lot of work to try to convince the most sceptical people... who I don't think actually want cycling to be clean.
the sceptic said:You don't need to be an expert on doping to call out the most blatant dopers in the peloton.
If you're a french guy, riding up a mountain in the tour and you see Dawg put in a mutant attack to finish 3 minutes ahead of you, wouldn't you be a bit ****ed? I know I would. I worked my *** off every day, and here is this guy who could barely keep up with the gruppetto destroying everyone.
If there really is a new generation that is cleans, why are they not talking?
the sceptic said:You don't need to be an expert on doping to call out the most blatant dopers in the peloton.
If you're a french guy, riding up a mountain in the tour and you see Dawg put in a mutant attack to finish 3 minutes ahead of you, wouldn't you be a bit ****ed? I know I would. I worked my *** off every day, and here is this guy who could barely keep up with the gruppetto destroying everyone.
If there really is a new generation that is cleans, why are they not talking?
simoni said:You might be ****ed but the peleton don't much like talkers do they? Perfectly understandable that some prefer to keep their heads down. That's not omerta, its just the practicalities of trying to get on in the sport.
Dear Wiggo said:Cookson would crack the sads if someone spoke up. Especially if they had not talked to the UCI / CIRC first.
daveyt said:Pretty much every post assumes that our clean rider is a real expert on doping, with the inside knowledge on who is doping and some even demand knowledge on riders who retired before most current riders were born?
Is this entirely reasonable? For example the young French guys that many think appear to be the most credible could have been completely sheltered?
More realistic that riders only real care about dopers who beat them (not a problem for our clean GT winner).
And why on earth would someone who didn't grow up in the EPO era now look back at the names of riders or the results? It's just depressing... so, therefore, how would you know who had been busted for doping outside of the really big names?
Really asking our clean rider to put in a lot of work to try to convince the most sceptical people... who I don't think actually want cycling to be clean.
the sceptic said:...
If there really is a new generation that is cleans, why are they not talking?