"You want a rider?"

[progressor]

errrr no. I have a life unlike you outside this forum which I go and live rather than "sitting back" and watching you pheasants feed. If you like we could all sit back and say nothing? How about that? Would that be better? We'd just wait for the Livestrong press releases and read those and when they're not being released you can recount stories about your old KAS jersey for all of us?

I'm sorry but this is news.

I am as you are allowed to question what ever we feel. You wish to question my motives, fine. However I'll question Armstrongs and I'll do it on this forum because that what the forum is here for. If you don't like it go to the offical Astana forums.

Along with this what makes it ok for you to constantly critise Evans but for me not Armstrong? Don't bother responding I already know the answer - you don't like the truth or you can't handle the truth.

If this was football, baseball or anything a story like this would be big. It also makes Alberto's win all the more magical because for him just getting to Paris was an achievement.

I'm reporting the news how it is, if you don't like it, leave. You won't be missed.

Just 2 questions

a) where did you copy and paste this post from?
b) Is it sept 5th yet?

 

[Anonymous]

errrr no. I have a life unlike you outside this forum which I go and live rather than "sitting back" and watching you pheasants feed. If you like we could all sit back and say nothing? How about that? Would that be better? We'd just wait for the Livestrong press releases and read those and when they're not being released you can recount stories about your old KAS jersey for all of us?

I'm sorry but this is news.

I am as you are allowed to question what ever we feel. You wish to question my motives, fine. However I'll question Armstrongs and I'll do it on this forum because that what the forum is here for. If you don't like it go to the offical Astana forums.

Along with this what makes it ok for you to constantly critise Evans but for me not Armstrong? Don't bother responding I already know the answer - you don't like the truth or you can't handle the truth.

If this was football, baseball or anything a story like this would be big. It also makes Alberto's win all the more magical because for him just getting to Paris was an achievement.

I'm reporting the news how it is, if you don't like it, leave. You won't be missed.

well its not really the news, its just a few lines from a magazine, what did the rest of the article say, etc etc etc and to be fair you didnt particularly question it..

ok, that sentance actually makes no sense.. you know the answer, its cos i cant handle the truth..? erm, so you are saying that your initial post, which of course doesnt actually say anything, is the truth, and i struggle to beleive it.. the truth is to be honest your full of crap.. as for evans, if i do critise, if i critisise any rider i will try and justify why, i will give a reason, i will explore what is being discussed, attempt to use my brain, analyse it, and give a reason.. you dont really give any...

no it wouldnt.. if it was football it wouldnt even draw a glance.. that sort of behaviour goes on week in week out ON THE PITCH, in the tunnels before matches, after matches.. nobody would even bother reporting it.. and why, oh why does it makes contadors win so magical (i cannot beleive you used the words magical in relation to the tour de france).. are you in love with him...? you really do have it bad... but why does it make ACs win so magical... what did lance mean... tells us... do tell us...

and btw.. frankly i couldnt give a flying fig if youd miss me or not.. i dont come here for you... besides, i dont think its fair for you to speak for every other member of the forum.. maybe one of two would miss me.. unless of course you have some sort of inside scoop...? you should read the sun, its a british newspaper, loads of eyecatching headlines... absolutely no substance.. i really do hope you turn out to be, contrary to what some think, someone actually relevant and important,

and, for the record, you dont know me, dont rugging judge me.. you aint got a clue mate..

nb: did you not like your captain hogwash nickname.. i thought it was inventive on my part personally

 

[Mellow Velo]

As a confirmed Lance "hater", I have to report that I did have a decent browse through PC magazine, this morning and found nothing relating to this story.
As I won't buy the mag anymore, this is by no means definitive, but would suggest that if anyone has found and read the article, they confirm Hog's story.

If this isn't forthcoming, I, for one, will be disappointed, as it undermines credibility of future reports.

 

[scribe]

Magical
__________

 

[thehog]

As a confirmed Lance "hater", I have to report that I did have a decent browse through PC magazine, this morning and found nothing relating to this story.
As I won't buy the mag anymore, this is by no means definitive, but would suggest that if anyone has found and read the article, they confirm Hog's story.

If this isn't forthcoming, I, for one, will be disappointed, as it undermines credibility of future reports.

Check the Top 50 riders of the year article under Contador.

 

[thehog]

Check the Top 50 riders of the year article under Contador.

I'm in Italy at the moment working with some young riders for 2010. When I get back my Hotel I'll post up the page number etc.

 

[pmcg76]

I'm in Italy at the moment working with some young riders for 2010. When I get back my Hotel I'll post up the page number etc.

Page 58, its a little tidbit in the article on Contador in the Top 50 list and it says "apparently Lance crowed..............".

I have had my fair share of involvement in Lance threads but an just totally fed up with them now. Give Lance his own sction in the forum where he can be discussed ad infitum.

Maybe a more interesting topic would be to discuss the ProCycling Top 50 or even have our own list.

BTW, They have Cav at No 1 ahead of Contador and EBH.

 

[scribe]

Where'd they place Valverde? He had a magical Vuelta.

 

[Anonymous]

Where'd they place Valverde? He had a magical Vuelta.

not as magical as magical menchov's mutilation of the mountains in the giro

 

[karlboss]

The paul hogan in me can't help but say "thats not a rider...this is a rider"

 

[Angliru]

The stories are tittle tattle. As you can see there a lot of people who don't like him and constantly spread this stuff. What is true we don't know, but you can hardly trust some of the characters here.

Hog cites his source so all we have to do is go to the latest ProCycling and verify it. Now if he had just simply said "I read somewhere" without saying where, then we could truly question its validity.

 

[pmcg76]

not as magical as magical menchov's mutilation of the mountains in the giro

Well, here is the Top 20 on their list,

1/Cavendish
2/Contador
3/EBH
4/A.Schleck
5/Evans
6/Gilbert
7/Greipel
8/Farrar
9/Lance
10/Valverde
11/Hushovd
12/Cancellara
13/Haussler
14/Menchov
15/T.Martin
16/Pellizotti
17/Gerrans
18/Ivanov
19/Kloeden
20/Wiggins

They admitted if No 9 had been any other rider, he would barely have made Top 25.

I definitely think Vlaverde should be much higher regardless of his doping links.
Vuelta, Dauphine, Catalonia, Burgos. C'mon Farrar and Greipel winning a load of sprints is not in the same league at all.

 

[Anonymous]

Well, here is the Top 20 on their list,

1/Cavendish - won more races than any other and a classic, fair do's
2/Contador
3/EBH - hmm... whats this based on?
4/A.Schleck
5/Evans - world champion - what else
6/Gilbert
7/Greipel
8/Farrar
9/Lance - decent giro and tour performances i guess
10/Valverde - admitedly should be higher
11/Hushovd
12/Cancellara - definately should be higher
13/Haussler
14/Menchov - giro, not much else, but you would think a gt would help
15/T.Martin
16/Pellizotti
17/Gerrans
18/Ivanov
19/Kloeden - why?
20/Wiggins

They admitted if No 9 had been any other rider, he would barely have made Top 25.

I definitely think Vlaverde should be much higher regardless of his doping links.
Vuelta, Dauphine, Catalonia, Burgos. C'mon Farrar and Greipel winning a load of sprints is not in the same league at all.

do we know what the criteria is?

why? he had decent placings in two grand tours, despite injury.. thats not a fanboy speaking, thats a realist..

 

[Mellow Velo]

Check the Top 50 riders of the year article under Contador.

Thanks. That was rather a big piece. Never thought it would be in amongst that lot.
Anyhow, pmcg has now confirmed.
Have to say I think this behaviour appalling, but I'm not surprised.
Consistent with other sources, at other times.

Before Sprocket calls it tittle tattle, again.
Pro Cycling is as reputable a source as we are ever likely to get.

 

[franciep10]

do we know what the criteria is?

why? he had decent placings in two grand tours, despite injury.. thats not a fanboy speaking, thats a realist..

Well firstly valverde should be at least #5, lance should be behind menchov at least, winning worlds shouldn't put cadel at 5 and I do agree with cavendish being #1,

 

[Mellow Velo]

Well, here is the Top 20 on their list,

1/Cavendish
2/Contador
3/EBH Have to agree. Why? Sky's big signing? No way third.
4/A.Schleck
5/Evans
6/Gilbert
7/Greipel
8/Farrar
9/Lance*** For raising cancer awareness and a decent third tour week?
10/Valverde Surely higher. GT winner.
11/Hushovd
12/Cancellara A bit higher, though not his greatest season.
13/Haussler
14/Menchov Surely higher. GT winner.
15/T.Martin
16/Pellizotti
17/Gerrans
18/Ivanov AMG getting overrated?
19/Kloeden For being German, doping and getting away with it?
20/Wiggins Should be above Kloeden.....

****They admitted if No 9 had been any other rider, he would barely have made Top 25.***

Basso finishes 4th or 5th (depending upon how you view it) in two GT's and wins Trentino, but doesn't make the top 20?
Same criteria as number 9.

 

[ingsve]

3/EBH Have to agree. Why? Sky's big signing? No way third.

If anything I would say that the overall criteria used is slanted too much in favor of stage wins as opposed to wins in stage races. If EBH is ranked too high then so is Cavendish. I would say that Contador is the obvious number 1

EBH did have two week long stage race wins in this year (and a 3rd placein another) and the third most wins of anyone so given the criteria they seem to use his placing isn't surprising.

 

[lagartija]

And amidst all of this The Hog is sitting back, watching and rubbing his hands with glee...

all he has to do is put out a bit of rumour, from a paper or magazine, offer no opinion and sit back and watch everyone rip the hell out of each other... its like chucking a peice of meat in a den of hungry lions and watching them fight..

the guys smart, i will give him that... hes clearly bored though..

wake up guys...

actually i cant understand why one complaining about ,in there opinion,a trolling thread would continue to post on said thread.....12 posts at last count......

 

[blackcat]

If anything I would say that the overall criteria used is slanted too much in favor of stage wins as opposed to wins in stage races. If EBH is ranked too high then so is Cavendish. I would say that Contador is the obvious number 1

EBH did have two week long stage race wins in this year (and a 3rd placein another) and the third most wins of anyone so given the criteria they seem to use his placing isn't surprising.

ok, on that ranking ctructure.

But Cav was far better than the nearest sprinter.

If Boasson went head to head with other rouleurs in all races, he would not have taken away many wins. Riders like Voigt, Martin, Devolder, Cancellara, Hincapie et al, would have neutralised him and share the spoils with him.

 

[thehog]

Thanks. That was rather a big piece. Never thought it would be in amongst that lot.
Anyhow, pmcg has now confirmed.
Have to say I think this behaviour appalling, but I'm not surprised.
Consistent with other sources, at other times.

Before Sprocket calls it tittle tattle, again.
Pro Cycling is as reputable a source as we are ever likely to get.

Along with PC being an actual publication therefore bound by libel laws the information must be correct and able to be verifed. So it's more than just a forum titbit.

 

[ingsve]

If Boasson went head to head with other rouleurs in all races, he would not have taken away many wins. Riders like Voigt, Martin, Devolder, Cancellara, Hincapie et al, would have neutralised him and share the spoils with him.

What do you mean by that? That they would have been able to escape from him or that they could beat him in sprints?

 

[Anonymous]

[/B]
actually i cant understand why one complaining about ,in there opinion,a trolling thread would continue to post on said thread.....12 posts at last count......

who me... 12..? 1 post, 11 replies maybe...

i do beleive we are still allowed to reply... anyway.. so lance is a ****.. have we decided that now.. can we move on..

 

[blackcat]

What do you mean by that? That they would have been able to escape from him or that they could beat him in sprints?

just less wins if Britain had depth, and Benelux brought more depth.

probably under-estimating the fields, especially Benelux. He just went on tears and winning back to back, like l'Avenir in 2006

 

[Sprocket01]

Thanks. That was rather a big piece. Never thought it would be in amongst that lot.
Anyhow, pmcg has now confirmed.
Have to say I think this behaviour appalling, but I'm not surprised.
Consistent with other sources, at other times.

Before Sprocket calls it tittle tattle, again.
Pro Cycling is as reputable a source as we are ever likely to get.

But I knew it was in pro cycling already. I never doubted it was. It's just the type of hearsay gossip you get in mags all the time.

 

[Sprocket01]

Along with PC being an actual publication therefore bound by libel laws the information must be correct and able to be verifed. So it's more than just a forum titbit.

Nonsense. They know Armstrong isn't going to bother to sue over a little hearsay rumour like this - why would he care. He probably thinks its funny. You're supposed to work for this mag yet get your wires crossed about different signings and transfers all the time. I'm sure nobody has sued you about that.

Nothing has changed - we don't know the context of the apparent remarks or what Contador had done. It's all a lot of silliness.

I'm amazed you guys get so excited over this type of stuff.