13th BinckBank Tour (2.UWT) 7.8 - 13.8

[WheelofGear]

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btw what was that celebration about?

He got a lot of criticism for his lack of results. When being asked who it was aimed at he said 'Those people will know it's about them', refusing to give any names.

It's almost like he won GT stage or WC. Little bit too much.

Not when you are riding away from all of the best classics riders out there (Sagan, GVA, Gilbert, Sep, Wellens) + the Giro winner.

 

[SafeBet]

Next time he'll make a poll on this forum before deciding how to celebrate.

 

[Hellyea]

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btw what was that celebration about?

He got a lot of criticism for his lack of results. When being asked who it was aimed at he said 'Those people will know it's about them', refusing to give any names.

It's almost like he won GT stage or WC. Little bit too much.

Not when you are riding away from all of the best classics riders out there (Sagan, GVA, Gilbert, Sep, Wellens) + the Giro winner.

I believe we all know why Boom won today. And it's not because he was stronger than Sagan today.

 

[Der Effe]

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btw what was that celebration about?

He got a lot of criticism for his lack of results. When being asked who it was aimed at he said 'Those people will know it's about them', refusing to give any names.

It's almost like he won GT stage or WC. Little bit too much.

Not when you are riding away from all of the best classics riders out there (Sagan, GVA, Gilbert, Sep, Wellens) + the Giro winner.

I believe we all know why Boom won today. And it's not because he was stronger than Sagan today.

Yeah, it's called cycling. As if the winner of a GT-stage, the WC or a monument is always the strongest rider in the race. If not the case, they shouldn't celebrate either? Do you understand cycling at all?

 

[Ikbengodniet]

Oh no, not that whining that Sagan is the strongest but has to do all the work again

 

[d-s3]

It's understandable that the strongest is expected to work more. And it's good tactics when they want to win.
But with Sagan it really ends up with negative cycling. They're happy to loose as long as they make Sagan not win.

 

[RedheadDane]

Dumoulin really had to be at the front, didn't he? What with the stage finishing at Tom Dumoulin Bike Park.

 

[Der Effe]

63 VAN AERT Wout Vérandas Willems-Crelan 0:55

Considering his bike problems, amazing ride.

 

[Netserk]

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It's understandable that the strongest is expected to work more. And it's good tactics when they want to win.
But with Sagan it really ends up with negative cycling. They're happy to loose as long as they make Sagan not win.

Sagan has mostly himself to blame. Almost everyone was alone in that group, so no reason for them to pull the group along. And it's better for them that someone else than Sagan wins, GC-wise.

 

[Cance > TheRest]

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63 VAN AERT Wout Vérandas Willems-Crelan 0:55

Considering his bike problems, amazing ride.

I would have thought he'd finish in the peloton (the Küng group) after his bike problem. Afterall there was a teammate with him

 

[alspacka]

Daniel Oss cannot come soon enough for Sagan.

 

[Jagartrott]

Pardon my French, but Boom looked like a right ar**hole there.
And why was Groenewegen sprinting for 17th place? It was in Lotto-Jumbo's interest to have the others as far back as possible, no?

 

[Keram]

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It's understandable that the strongest is expected to work more. And it's good tactics when they want to win.
But with Sagan it really ends up with negative cycling. They're happy to loose as long as they make Sagan not win.

Sagan has mostly himself to blame. Almost everyone was alone in that group, so no reason for them to pull the group along. And it's better for them that someone else than Sagan wins, GC-wise.

Well Sagan attacked himself twice so his tactic was quite good .

 

[WheelofGear]

Tomorrow is going to be interesting. Who is the weakest in top 14 when it comes to the supposedly harder Liege-like hills of stage 6?

 

[jaylew]

Boom

 

[Velolover2]

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Tomorrow is going to be interesting. Who is the weakest in top 14 when it comes to the supposedly harder Liege-like hills of stage 6?

They are all good in hilly territory.

 

[WheelofGear]

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Boom

He was second to Wellens in the Liege stage of 2014.

I'd say Sütterlin. He is kinda heavy and seems to be more of a flat rouleur.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

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Boom

While I agree he is no expert. He had good results as well. I suggest you go watch the Ardennes stage of the Tour of Belgium 2009.
Or his Vuelta solo win in a medium mountain stage.

He is definately not weaker than Vanmarcke, Sütterlin or Stuyven in hilly terrain I think.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Nice race action with Boom making a clever move at the very end.
Always good to see such a strong GC top 10 (or so) . It will set up the race rather nicely for the weekend.

 

[Netserk]

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It's understandable that the strongest is expected to work more. And it's good tactics when they want to win.
But with Sagan it really ends up with negative cycling. They're happy to loose as long as they make Sagan not win.

Sagan has mostly himself to blame. Almost everyone was alone in that group, so no reason for them to pull the group along. And it's better for them that someone else than Sagan wins, GC-wise.

Well Sagan attacked himself twice so his tactic was quite good .

I don't think so.

 

[Cance > TheRest]

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Boom

While I agree he is no expert. He had good results as well. I suggest you go watch the Ardennes stage of the Tour of Belgium 2009.
Or his Vuelta solo win in a medium mountain stage.

He is definately not weaker than Vanmarcke, Sütterlin or Stuyven in hilly terrain I think.

Sep was ptetty good in Strade Bianche a couple seasons back. Then again, he didnt't ride for Cannondale back then . I agree that Jasper and Sütterlin are as likely as Boom to lose time the coming stages. Big engines on the flat but too heavy

 

[Keram]

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It's understandable that the strongest is expected to work more. And it's good tactics when they want to win.
But with Sagan it really ends up with negative cycling. They're happy to loose as long as they make Sagan not win.

Sagan has mostly himself to blame. Almost everyone was alone in that group, so no reason for them to pull the group along. And it's better for them that someone else than Sagan wins, GC-wise.

Well Sagan attacked himself twice so his tactic was quite good .

I don't think so.

What should he do instead?

 

[Anderis]

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btw what was that celebration about?

He got a lot of criticism for his lack of results. When being asked who it was aimed at he said 'Those people will know it's about them', refusing to give any names.

It's almost like he won GT stage or WC. Little bit too much.

Sometimes winning in your home race might be just as emotional as winning something really big.

 

[WheelofGear]

Sütterlin weights nearly 80kg. Same with Stuyven. They'll be dropped like a stones if lighter riders like Wellens or Gilbert decide to attack on Saint-Roch.

 

[ihosama]

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This thread is going south by definition it seems.

Sagan has mostly himself to blame. Almost everyone was alone in that group, so no reason for them to pull the group along. And it's better for them that someone else than Sagan wins, GC-wise.

There was nothing done tactically wrong by Sagan today. At least not something obvious.

So what is here to blame Sagan for? For being the WC and among the strongest in the final group? Is that something wrong now - as in Le Tour these times? For real?

Well Sagan attacked himself twice so his tactic was quite good .

Those were not real attacks. Just kicks to ensure the pursuers do not catch the group, or at least have to work harder for it.