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Where did I criticize Soler on how he won the race? I'm just saying he hasn't proven that he can win cycling's biggest races yet. That may come in the future, but it may also never happen. No one knows as we can't predict the future. Carlos Betancur's Paris-Nice win sure as hell wasn't indicative of him being able to win big races.
It has been since 2012 that a Paris-Nice winner won either a GT or Monument. The field in Paris-Nice has suffered over the years because of its competition with Tirreno-Adriatico (which usually has a far better field, and the recent list of winners shows that quite clearly).
It's a fact that it's easier to win races when you're relatively unknown and nobody marks you. That's not an insult to Soler (or Valgren in the AGR), everybody has to start somewhere. It will be harder for Soler and Valgren to pull of the same trick again, however, as now they will be marked men. Not everyone can deal with that situation (just look at Sagan).
You may have a different definition of big races, and that's perfectly fine, but when I'm talking about the biggest races in cycling I'm talking about the five Monuments, the 3 GTs, the WC and Olympic Gold. I don't think Soler is good enough to win any of these races RIGHT NOW. He's still young and can develop further, but for now I don't see a GT winner in him.
Besides, my post was quite clear as to what I meant, as I said the last big win by a Spaniard (outside of Valverde) was Contador's Giro win... Contador also won Pais Vasco in 2016, but I obviously don't see that as a big win either.
Libertine Seguros said:Did he, or did he not, complete the course in a faster time than anybody else?El Pistolero said:That's not a big race and he only won because nobody bothered to follow him as he's still a small fry. Let's see him win next year when he's a marked man.
Besides, he won Paris-Nice doing exactly what Alberto Contador did last year, only he succeeded because he was underestimated. It's not like he was nowhere for the whole race and then they rode like a bunch of lobotomized fools like how Thomas de Gendt got on the Giro podium either. He was on good form - 3rd in the Ruta del Sol - and he was 2nd in the ITT, and finished with the defending champion on the MTF. He was 37 seconds off the lead, and he attacked from long range, risking sacrificing the lot to try to win. Isn't that the kind of rider you claim to be a fan of?
He won that race because he was underestimated. You can underestimate even people who are the very top riders, especially if there's a lack of cohesion in the chase. You should know, it's how Tom Boonen won Roubaix in a 40km solo, and how Gilbert won de Ronde. It was super exciting, smart, fantastic racing then, but it's not when Soler does the same thing - why do the goalposts move when it's a grimpeur in a stage race?
Where did I criticize Soler on how he won the race? I'm just saying he hasn't proven that he can win cycling's biggest races yet. That may come in the future, but it may also never happen. No one knows as we can't predict the future. Carlos Betancur's Paris-Nice win sure as hell wasn't indicative of him being able to win big races.
It has been since 2012 that a Paris-Nice winner won either a GT or Monument. The field in Paris-Nice has suffered over the years because of its competition with Tirreno-Adriatico (which usually has a far better field, and the recent list of winners shows that quite clearly).
It's a fact that it's easier to win races when you're relatively unknown and nobody marks you. That's not an insult to Soler (or Valgren in the AGR), everybody has to start somewhere. It will be harder for Soler and Valgren to pull of the same trick again, however, as now they will be marked men. Not everyone can deal with that situation (just look at Sagan).
You may have a different definition of big races, and that's perfectly fine, but when I'm talking about the biggest races in cycling I'm talking about the five Monuments, the 3 GTs, the WC and Olympic Gold. I don't think Soler is good enough to win any of these races RIGHT NOW. He's still young and can develop further, but for now I don't see a GT winner in him.
Besides, my post was quite clear as to what I meant, as I said the last big win by a Spaniard (outside of Valverde) was Contador's Giro win... Contador also won Pais Vasco in 2016, but I obviously don't see that as a big win either.