2010 Vuelta al Pais Vasco

[this_is_edie]

"The RadioShack veteran attacked with 4km to go up the very steep Cat. 1 Arrate climb but was caught on false flats with 1km to go following collaboration between the two Spaniards.

“It was a little Spanish get together. Sánchez didn’t get me. Valverde opened up the gap on him, and then sat up on me on one of the corners."

It was Sanchez that got him. On the climb, before the false flat, where both Valverde and Gesink got him.
I didn't know Gesink was Spanish, that's news to me.

his name does seem to be pronounced Hesink.... there you go, Spanish!

 

[theswordsman]

Yeah, Hood got the action wrong, and that's what's confusing things. Sanchez caught Horner alone, looks like just under 2 kilometers to go. They traded pulls, trying to stay away. Gesink & Valverde chased, with Valverde making a big effort to catch the two just under one Km. Valverde passed Horner and was set up behind Sanchez on a descent. Sammy took off to go for the stage win while Horner was in line behind Valverde, and got a good lead there before Horner could try to get around Valverde on a short straight before the next curve of the descent. Valverde had made a massive effort to catch the two earlier, and even the Universal Sports announcers said all Valverde had to do was stay in front of Horner, not chase Sanchez. Valverde said in an interview that he had given everything he had.

Horner just made the mistake of getting on the wheel of the wrong guy on the descent. There was no reason for Valverde to chase Sanchez, and it's not like he cut Horner off or anything. He'd done what he needed to do and called it a day.

 

[maikel]

Yeah, Hood got the action wrong, and that's what's confusing things. Sanchez caught Horner alone, looks like just under 2 kilometers to go. They traded pulls, trying to stay away. Gesink & Valverde chased, with Valverde making a big effort to catch the two just under one Km. Valverde passed Horner and was set up behind Sanchez on a descent. Sammy took off to go for the stage win while Horner was in line behind Valverde, and got a good lead there before Horner could try to get around Valverde on a short straight before the next curve of the descent. Valverde had made a massive effort to catch the two earlier, and even the Universal Sports announcers said all Valverde had to do was stay in front of Horner, not chase Sanchez. Valverde said in an interview that he had given everything he had.

Horner just made the mistake of getting on the wheel of the wrong guy on the descent. There was no reason for Valverde to chase Sanchez, and it's not like he cut Horner off or anything. He'd done what he needed to do and called it a day.

As if Horner was likeable to win a sprint of Sanchez or Valverde

 

[auscyclefan94]

Just watched vid, definete collusion between the dirty spaniards!

 

[auscyclefan94]

As if Horner was likeable to win a sprint of Sanchez or Valverde

that's not the point. If their is a 50/50 descsion in a cricket match for the last batsmen left in a team and to win the game the other team has to get him out. You can't just give the guy out becuase he is not going to make the runs for the team anyway on a dubious descision. The other team should actually have to get him out.

In cycling, if someone is going down to a sprint, blocking only seems fair when it is done by a "team mate" not a country man. it is collusion.

 

[maikel]

that's not the point. If their is a 50/50 descsion in a cricket match for the last batsmen left in a team and to win the game the other team has to get him out. You can't just give the guy out becuase he is not going to make the runs for the team anyway on a dubious descision. The other team should actually have to get him out.

In cycling, if someone is going down to a sprint, blocking only seems fair when it is done by a "team mate" not a country man. it is collusion.

And whats wrong with that? I find it logical when countrymen are helping each other, especially when it are friends of eachother. And it happens all the time in cycling

 

[auscyclefan94]

And whats wrong with that? I find it logical when countrymen are helping each other, especially when it are friends of eachother. And it happens all the time in cycling

You ride for your team who you are paid by, not your country.Happens all the time? really?

 

[maikel]

You ride for your team who you are paid by, not your country.Happens all the time? really?

You don't watch much cycling do you?

 

[auscyclefan94]

You don't watch much cycling do you?

No. i watch it a lot. i don't think it happens all the time but sometimes...

 

[maikel]

No. i watch it a lot. i don't think it happens all the time but sometimes...

Yes ofcourse it happens only in accosians when its possible when follow countrymen are in a group up front. But they often agree that they will not chase eachother when one of them tries to break away, even when they're not in the same team. And that happens a lot

 

[Arnout]

Noone was blocking. Valverde was just not reacting. Own choice.

If Horner wanted to win the stage, he should've attacked himself. It was quite obvious that attacking on the moment Valverde joined the front was the right move. He shouldn't whine, but ride.

 

[Beech Mtn]

that's not the point. If their is a 50/50 descsion in a cricket match for the last batsmen left in a team and to win the game the other team has to get him out. You can't just give the guy out becuase he is not going to make the runs for the team anyway on a dubious descision. The other team should actually have to get him out.

In cycling, if someone is going down to a sprint, blocking only seems fair when it is done by a "team mate" not a country man. it is collusion.

Aw jeez Aus, cricket? Does anybody really understand the rules of cricket?

 

[auscyclefan94]

Noone was blocking. Valverde was just not reacting. Own choice.

If Horner wanted to win the stage, he should've attacked himself. It was quite obvious that attacking on the moment Valverde joined the front was the right move. He shouldn't whine, but ride.

Valverde went straight in between them and sanchez checked around for a second and then went. Valverde was slowing the pace up once sammy went.

 

[Beech Mtn]

You ride for your team who you are paid by, not your country.Happens all the time? really?

Just because the other Aussies don't like Cadel . . .

OK, just kidding. I'll stop now.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Just because the other Aussies don't like Cadel . . .

OK, just kidding. I'll stop now.

Well, jealousy does come in especially when cadel is better than the rest of them.

 

[Bala Verde]

Valverde went straight in between them and sanchez checked around for a second and then went. Valverde was slowing the pace up once sammy went.

Since you watch cycling that much, you must have seen before that when a group of riders reconnects with another group of riders the pace drops... Sanchez was smart and used that moment of hesitation.

The fact that Valverde was the one to be in the middle of all of this was because he was the first to reconnect. Horner, with his buckets of experience, should have known better, or he was so spent that he couldn't react to Sanchez's attack.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Since you watch cycling that much, you must have seen before that when a group of riders reconnects with another group of riders the pace drops... Sanchez was smart and used that moment of hesitation.

The fact that Valverde was the one to be in the middle of all of this was because he was the first to reconnect. Horner, with his buckets of experience, should have known better, or he was so spent that he couldn't react to Sanchez's attack.

Or maybe because you love valverde so much that you need to take your goggle off and actually watch some cycling yourself.

 

[peloton]

Since you watch cycling that much, you must have seen before that when a group of riders reconnects with another group of riders the pace drops... Sanchez was smart and used that moment of hesitation.

The fact that Valverde was the one to be in the middle of all of this was because he was the first to reconnect. Horner, with his buckets of experience, should have known better, or he was so spent that he couldn't react to Sanchez's attack.

+1
well said

 

[peloton]

Spanish = corrupt and i think they hate english speaking riders. Mean barstards!

 

[The Sheep]

That's why Flecha rides for Sky he's a secret Spanish agent ruining their chances

 

[auscyclefan94]

Horner at Velonews: "I know the (TT) from last year. They won’t be able to do some team tactics there."

anyone got the result of this last years timetrial he's talking about? couldn't find it...

+1
well said

others have even said there was collusion but balaverde fails to realise that.

 

[craig1985]

That's why Flecha rides for Sky he's a secret Spanish agent ruining their chances

Flecha was born in Argentina after all...

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Why shouldn't there be collusion? Sánchez wanted the stage win, Valverde and Gesink wanted to make sure they caught Horner.

Once they'd caught Horner, Valverde and Gesink have no reason to do any work, especially with no bonus seconds available. If Horner wanted to get the stage win, he should have known this and stuck to Sánchez' back wheel like glue.

Or, you can mask an Anglophone rider making a bad tactical decision by bawling your eyes out about Spaniards cheating them, like you always do. Sometimes, riders with common interests will work together. You're beginning to sound like the Cadel of a couple of years ago - why go out there and change things, when you can stay where you are and make excuses for things not changing instead?

 

[auscyclefan94]

Why shouldn't there be collusion? Sánchez wanted the stage win, Valverde and Gesink wanted to make sure they caught Horner.

Once they'd caught Horner, Valverde and Gesink have no reason to do any work, especially with no bonus seconds available. If Horner wanted to get the stage win, he should have known this and stuck to Sánchez' back wheel like glue.

Or, you can mask an Anglophone rider making a bad tactical decision by bawling your eyes out about Spaniards cheating them, like you always do. Sometimes, riders with common interests will work together. You're beginning to sound like the Cadel of a couple of years ago - why go out there and change things, when you can stay where you are and make excuses for things not changing instead?

i don't like collusion but admitting there was no collusion is plain naive.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Horner at Velonews: "I know the (TT) from last year. They won’t be able to do some team tactics there."

anyone got the result of this last years timetrial he's talking about? couldn't find it...

I could be wrong but I think he may be talking about the vuelta last year when their were some rumours that valverde and sanchez were able to draft in the motorbikes slipstream.