2010 Vuelta al Pais Vasco

[maltiv]

Too bad for Freire, that wasn't really necessary. And this was way worse than EBH at Tirreno, there's a difference between going slightly to the left and crossing the entire road. Nonetheless, impressive ride by Freire and he once again proves that he's by far the best climber amongst the sprinters.

 

[spanky wanderlust]

oscar is beloved here. valverde not so much. the reactions to the relegation were so predictable. as soon as i saw it i thought "uh oh. the oscar lovin' piti haters are gonna go ballistic!"

fact is, oscar pulled way over left off his line. why? to box out valverde against the rails. only possible explanation. if he holds his line, it did look like it was possible that val could come around for the win.

if oscar holds his line there is no call for relegation. maybe val beats him, maybe not. oscar left his line(dramatically so) and opened himself up for judgement, which did not go his way.

no, race referees are not consistent. this is true in any sport. they have to make a judgement. forum posters are pretty consistent though. these types of disputes will always be judged in favor of the riders they like and against the ones they despise.

i'm most upset that oscar muddied up a sprint between two of the best finishers in the sport, on terrain favorable to both riders. would have been terrific to see a clean one here.

 

[issoisso]

That's a disqualification anywhere, anytime. So it's Valverde's win.
And Valverde should be suspended.

Le Mével gets robbed of a win and a leader's jersey, basically.
Story of his career.

Also, Sánchez just screwed up his first season goal.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WgiMfISZKk

 

[Big_Blue_Dave]

I expected Freire to be last in his group then, but he show up as being demoted to 2nd on the official list.[/QUOTE]

Francois, he is 24th on the UCI website which is where I take any placingsd from when doing race reports.

Plus spanky, I don't like Piti boy and I still think he was boxed in so its not everyone.

 

[icefire]

After watching the video I don't see how ValvPiti could have sprinted between Freire and Uran or between Uran and Kolobnev if these three keep the line they had when ValvPiti goes to the left.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Too bad for Freire, that wasn't really necessary. And this was way worse than EBH at Tirreno, there's a difference between going slightly to the left and crossing the entire road. Nonetheless, impressive ride by Freire and he once again proves that he's by far the best climber amongst the sprinters.

Have you even seen EBH's sprint in the Tirreno? Hahahaha

He first pushed Farrar into the barriers and then went to the other side to try and hold off Petacchi. It was worse than this sprint. Both should be DSQ btw

 

[Mellow Velo]

What is the shortest way around a left hand bend, when somebody's team mate has sent you in that direction?
That is also the reason why Valverde continued to sit on Freire's left rear and wouldn't swop, even though he could.

Next, some will be demanding sprinting lanes, like an athletics track.

 

[Papparrazzi]

I see you have found the rest of my bike!

Yes but I have lost the pump adapter

 

[hfer07]

That's a disqualification anywhere, anytime. So it's Valverde's win.
And Valverde should be suspended.

Le Mével gets robbed of a win and a leader's jersey, basically.
Story of his career.

Also, Sánchez just screwed up his first season goal.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WgiMfISZKk

Oscarito- you did misbehave this time, and the referees made the right call.

 

[Big_Blue_Dave]

What is the shortest way around a left hand bend, when somebody's team mate has sent you in that direction?
That is also the reason why Valverde continued to sit on Freire's left rear and wouldn't swop, even though he could.

Next, some will be demanding sprinting lanes, like an athletics track.

Don't you mean like a velodrome?

 

[Anonymous]

That's a disqualification anywhere, anytime. So it's Valverde's win.
And Valverde should be suspended.

Le Mével gets robbed of a win and a leader's jersey, basically.
Story of his career.

Also, Sánchez just screwed up his first season goal.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WgiMfISZKk

The commentators don't agree with you and neither do I. Valvpiti was on the right and moved to Oscar's left to try to keep him from the line he had already chosen. BS call by the judges every time I watch it.

 

[issoisso]

The commentators don't agree with you and neither do I. Valvpiti was on the right and moved to Oscar's left to try to keep him from the line he had already chosen. BS call by the judges every time I watch it.

You're entitled to your opinion, but as far as I'm concerned, when a rider moves from one side of the center stripe to the opposite barrier, that's in violation of the irregular sprinting rule.

 

[Epicycle]

Easy relegation. If Valverde had been fully behind Freire it would have been a different matter but his wheel was about even with Freire's seat post when Oscar closed the gap to the barriers. Nice job by Oscar staying with the first finishing group but Piti getting the win is no surprise.

 

[franciep10]

The commentators don't agree with you and neither do I. Valvpiti was on the right and moved to Oscar's left to try to keep him from the line he had already chosen. BS call by the judges every time I watch it.

You must have watched a different video, how I saw it Valverde was on Oscar's wheel then moved to the left of freire then Oscar moved left and blocked Valverde thus relegating him

 

[Bala Verde]

So the results of stage 1 are definite:

Puesto Dorsal Nombre País Equipo Tiempo
1º 11 VALVERDE, Alejandro ESP GCE 3:57:58
2º 31 FREIRE, Óscar ESP RAB m.t.
3º 153 LE MEVEL, Christophe FRA FDJ m.t.
4º 132 HESJEDAL, Ryder CAN GRM m.t.
5º 62 KOLOBNEV, Alexandr RUS KAT m.t.
6º 121 VAN DEN BROECK, Jurgen BEL OLO m.t.
7º 18 URAN, Rigoberto COL GCE m.t.
8º 164 ZUBELDIA, Haimar ESP RSH m.t.
9º 134 MARTIN, Daniel IRL GRM m.t.
10º 4 INTXAUSTI, Beñat ESP EUS m.t.

and further:

"Me quitan una etapa de la Vuelta ciclista al País Vasco sin decirme nada. Nadie dice nada. Me han descalificado sin yo saberlo. Quiero ver el vídeo del sprint", se ha quejado Freire nada más conocer la decisión de los jueces que, tras ver varias fotografías del sprint en Zierbena, se ha preguntado en relación a las protestas de Alejandro Valverde: "¿No tiene sitio para pasar?".

Unos minutos antes de conocer su descalificación, Óscar Freire había reconocido que el sprint no había "sido recto" debido a los "bandazos" provocados por "el viento".

"Al ver que el viento pegaba por la izquierda me he metido a ese lado y, por ahí, venía él (Alejandro Valverde), pero no me he dado cuenta. Los sprints son así y muchas veces pasa esto", comentó.

http://vueltapaisvasco.diariovasco....-pais-vasco-freire-zierbena-201004052110.html

 

[issoisso]

For those who no hablan español:

Freire complains he wasn't even told the win had been taken from him.
He does, however, concede the sprint was irregular. He blames the wind for it.

 

[icefire]

For those who no hablan español:

Freire complains he wasn't even told the win had been taken from him.
He does, however, concede the sprint was irregular. He blames the wind for it.

...and he (Freire) had not realised that Valverde was progressing on his left.

 

[Big_Blue_Dave]

So the results of stage 1 are definite:

Puesto Dorsal Nombre País Equipo Tiempo
1º 11 VALVERDE, Alejandro ESP GCE 3:57:58
2º 31 FREIRE, Óscar ESP RAB m.t.
3º 153 LE MEVEL, Christophe FRA FDJ m.t.
4º 132 HESJEDAL, Ryder CAN GRM m.t.
5º 62 KOLOBNEV, Alexandr RUS KAT m.t.
6º 121 VAN DEN BROECK, Jurgen BEL OLO m.t.
7º 18 URAN, Rigoberto COL GCE m.t.
8º 164 ZUBELDIA, Haimar ESP RSH m.t.
9º 134 MARTIN, Daniel IRL GRM m.t.
10º 4 INTXAUSTI, Beñat ESP EUS m.t.

and further:



http://vueltapaisvasco.diariovasco....-pais-vasco-freire-zierbena-201004052110.html

Thats a surprise as any other time a rider is relegated, its to the back of the group not just one spot. Just re-checked on the UCI page to at http://www.uciprotour.com/templates/BUILTIN-NOFRAMES/Template3/layout.asp?MenuId=MTU4MjM&LangId=1 and its showing Oscar in 2nd. Now we ask about consistency but even when they do make relegations they are inconsistent now.

 

[issoisso]

...and he (Freire) had not realised that Valverde was progressing on his left.

It did look that way to me.

 

[Anonymous]

You must have watched a different video, how I saw it Valverde was on Oscar's wheel then moved to the left of freire then Oscar moved left and blocked Valverde thus relegating him

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WgiMfISZKk

Watch that video, specifically the part at 1:09-1:10 and you tell me which side Valvpiti is on, because it isn't the left. It is the right. That is also the exact moment Oscar moved left At 1:13 he moves to Oscar's left FROM the right. Oscar is already on a line to the left at that point, and was moved left by Uran.

I don't know what video you guys are watching, but this is much less offensive than the sprint of Hagen IMO.

But hey, people see things differently.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WgiMfISZKk

Watch that video, specifically the part at 1:09-1:10 and you tell me which side Valvpiti is on, because it isn't the left. It is the right. That is also the exact moment Oscar moved left At 1:13 he moves to Oscar's left FROM the right. Oscar is already on a line to the left at that point, and was moved left by Uran.

I don't know what video you guys are watching, but this is much less offensive than the sprint of Hagen IMO.

But hey, people see things differently.

I will wait until you have an angle from the 'Grassy Knoll' before I make up my mind.

 

[jaylew]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WgiMfISZKk

Watch that video, specifically the part at 1:09-1:10 and you tell me which side Valvpiti is on, because it isn't the left. It is the right. That is also the exact moment Oscar moved left At 1:13 he moves to Oscar's left FROM the right. Oscar is already on a line to the left at that point, and was moved left by Uran.

I don't know what video you guys are watching, but this is much less offensive than the sprint of Hagen IMO.

But hey, people see things differently.

I see what you're saying, but during a sprint can your chosen line be halfway across the road? I don't know, looks like a relegation to me.

 

[Murray]

Watch that video, specifically the part at 1:09-1:10 and you tell me which side Valvpiti is on, because it isn't the left. It is the right. That is also the exact moment Oscar moved left At 1:13 he moves to Oscar's left FROM the right. Oscar is already on a line to the left at that point, and was moved left by Uran.

I don't know what video you guys are watching, but this is much less offensive than the sprint of Hagen IMO.

But hey, people see things differently.[/QUOTE]

TFF... gotta agree with you here. OF was already heading left and AV moved from right side to left.

 

[franciep10]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WgiMfISZKk

Watch that video, specifically the part at 1:09-1:10 and you tell me which side Valvpiti is on, because it isn't the left. It is the right. That is also the exact moment Oscar moved left At 1:13 he moves to Oscar's left FROM the right. Oscar is already on a line to the left at that point, and was moved left by Uran.

I don't know what video you guys are watching, but this is much less offensive than the sprint of Hagen IMO.

But hey, people see things differently.

Come on TFF he was following Oscar's wheel then at 1:16 his front wheel is parallel to Oscar's back wheel then at 1:18 Oscar blocks Valverde. But I guess people see things differently

 

[flicker]

Besides the sprint, what a dangerous final descent, and winding through the city streets... wow,some highly skilled bike riders.

The way the camara moved around in the descent I could tell the moto and camaraman were concerned.