2011 Criterium du Dauphine Libere - 5th to 12th of June, 2.WT

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Let's be honest, do you think if they are all at 100% Boom would have any shot against Martin,Cancellara or Wiggins in that particular prologue?

Oh absolutely, maybe not Cancellara, but at least best of the rest would definately be possible. He beat them all before in other prologues so.

 

[maltiv]

I wouldn't bet on Boom when I just read papers that he mainly rested and did no training after California up until this past weekend where he started training again.

But then again, Boom is so unpredictable I honoustly have no clue how he will fare

Obviously depends on how technical the course is. If it's very technical then he will probably win.

 

[Spine Concept]

Well when he fails you guys will say he wasn't in shape and he wasn't trying anyway

Could you tell me with a straight face that you wouldn't do the same if Martin was in Boom's shoes? Try harder not to come over as a consummate hypocrite will you?

 

[Mellow Velo]

Tony Martin? The very poor man's Jan Ullrich.

Boom is definitely his equal over a prologue course.

Longer ITTs are another matter.

 

[Bavarianrider]

Tony Martin? The very poor man's Jan Ullrich.

Boom is definitely his equal over a prologue course.

Longer ITTs are another matter.

Doesn't look like equal to me


. CANCELLARA Fabian 13 TEAM SAXO BANK 10' 00"
2. MARTIN Tony 115 TEAM HTC - COLUMBIA 10' 10" + 00' 10"
3. MILLAR David 57 GARMIN - TRANSITIONS 10' 20" + 00' 20"
4. ARMSTRONG Lance 21 TEAM RADIOSHACK 10' 22" + 00' 22"
5. THOMAS Geraint 39 SKY PRO CYCLING 10' 23" + 00' 23"
6. CONTADOR Alberto 1 ASTANA 10' 27" + 00' 27"
7. FARRAR Tyler 53 GARMIN - TRANSITIONS 10' 28" + 00' 28"
8. LEIPHEIMER Levi 25 TEAM RADIOSHACK 10' 28" + 00' 28"
9. BOASSON HAGEN Edvald 36 SKY PRO CYCLING 10' 32" + 00' 32"
10. GERDEMANN Linus 141 TEAM MILRAM 10' 35" + 00' 35"
11. BOOKWALTER Brent 123 BMC RACING TEAM 10' 35" + 00' 35"
12. MALORI Adriano 207 LAMPRE - FARNESE 10' 35" + 00' 35"
13. BRAJKOVIC Janez 22 TEAM RADIOSHACK 10' 35" + 00' 35"
14. ROGERS Michael 118 TEAM HTC - COLUMBIA 10' 35" + 00' 35"
15. PLAZA MOLINA Ruben 168 CAISSE D’EPARGNE 10' 36" + 00' 36"
16. TERPSTRA Niki 148 TEAM MILRAM 10' 36" + 00' 36"
17. KLÖDEN Andréas 24 TEAM RADIOSHACK 10' 36" + 00' 36"
18. KIRYIENKA Vasil 165 CAISSE D’EPARGNE 10' 38" + 00' 38"
19. VINOKOUROV Alexandre 9 ASTANA 10' 38" + 00' 38"
20. KREUZIGER Roman 44 LIQUIGAS-DOIMO 10' 38" + 00' 38"
21. HUNTER Robert 55 GARMIN - TRANSITIONS 10' 39" + 00' 39"
22. SANCHEZ Luis-Leon 161 CAISSE D’EPARGNE 10' 39" + 00' 39"
23. EVANS Cadel 121 BMC RACING TEAM 10' 39" + 00' 39"
24. GRIVKO Andriy 3 ASTANA 10' 40" + 00' 40"
25. ZABRISKIE David 59 GARMIN - TRANSITIONS 10' 40" + 00' 40"
26. KARPETS Vladimir 71 KATUSHA TEAM 10' 40" + 00' 40"
27. QUINZIATO Manuel 47 LIQUIGAS-DOIMO 10' 41" + 00' 41"
28. MORABITO Steve 128 BMC RACING TEAM 10' 41" + 00' 41"
29. MONFORT Maxime 116 TEAM HTC - COLUMBIA 10' 41" + 00' 41"
30. KOREN Kristjan 43 LIQUIGAS-DOIMO 10' 42" + 00' 42"
31. OSS Daniel 46 LIQUIGAS-DOIMO 10' 43" + 00' 43"
32. BOOM Lars 192 RABOBANK 10' 44" + 00' 44


And don't say Boom wasn't in shape or didn't try. Before the prologue everyone said it was one of Booms major season goals to do well since it was in front of his home crowd

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Final GC
137. MARTIN Tony 115 TEAM HTC - COLUMBIA 95h 29' 58" + 3h 31' 10"

And don't say he wasn't in form because it was one of his season goals. Doesn't look like a top 10 rider to me
Got to say, only 3h22 behind the limited Gesink. He did well with that form

/standard bavarianrider argumentation

 

[theyoungest]

And don't say Boom wasn't in shape or didn't try. Before the prologue everyone said it was one of Booms major season goals to do well since it was in front of his home crowd

What are you trying to prove? There's little chance he'll do well in this prologue anyway.

Final GC
137. MARTIN Tony 115 TEAM HTC - COLUMBIA 95h 29' 58" + 3h 31' 10"

And don't say he wasn't in form because it was one of his season goals. Doesn't look like a top 10 rider to me
Got to say, only 3h22 behind the limited Gesink. He did well with that form

/standard bavarianrider argumentation

No, he was already out of form there. He claimed that he had great form in the Tour de Suisse. Where the great climber Tony Martin finished with the great climber Stijn Devolder in the only serious mountain stage

 

[Mellow Velo]

Doesn't look like equal to me

I think that's what folks have been trying to tell you all day.
You make your assertion based upon one TDF prologue placement and state it as fact.

I tend to look at how many prologues each rider has won in the last couple of years. I believe this is a better representation.

Hence, imo in prologue, Lars Boom = Tony Martin.
If anything, that assessment is more favourable towards your man.

 

[Bavarianrider]

I think that's what folks have been trying to tell you all day.
You make your assertion based upon one TDF prologue placement and state it as fact.

I tend to look at how many prologues each rider has won in the last couple of years. I believe this is a better representation.

Hence, imo in prologue, Lars Boom = Tony Martin.
If anything, that assessment is more favourable towards your man.

The discussion wasn't abou a random prologue, but about this years Dauphine one in particular. Obviously on a course like this one's romandie Boom would rape Tony.
But anything above 5km with not too many bends and Boom has nothing on Tony in June and July. That's all i say.

 

[Bavarianrider]

What are you trying to prove? There's little chance he'll do well in this prologue anyway.


No, he was already out of form there. He claimed that he had great form in the Tour de Suisse. Where the great climber Tony Martin finished with the great climber Stijn Devolder in the only serious mountain stage

Well to be fair Tony struggled during Winter and spring last year. he paid the price in July. No excuse as it was his on fault, but it's an explanation.

 

[Spine Concept]

Well to be fair Tony struggled during Winter and spring last year. he paid the price in July. No excuse as it was his on fault, but it's an explanation.

So you are allowed to make excuses for Tony but when other's give a plausible explanation as to why Boom might not fare well at a prologue you pounce on them? The blatant hypocrisy is astounding I must say.

 

[Bavarianrider]

So you are allowed to make excuses for Tony but when other's give a plausible explanation as to why Boom might not fare well at a prologue you pounce on them? The blatant hypocrisy is astounding I must say.

I didn't deny Boom of anything. I think you just always try to find something in my claims you can trash me for.

 

[Spine Concept]

I didn't deny Boom of anything.

Mate don't play dumb with me, cause it won't fly here. When they said Boom just recovered from an ankle injury and has not trained as he would under normal circumstances you immediately said that they had their excuses in early. As far as I'm concerned that is a plausible explanation for an underwhelming performance much like your ''explanations'' for Tony's under par performances.

 

[El Pistolero]

Yeah, because otherwise Boom surely would have done a race like the Tour of Belgium, totally fits his capabilities. But I haven't seen him race for quite a while. And Rabo couldn't send a full squad to Belgium. --> Injuries.

 

[Bavarianrider]

Mate don't play dumb with me, cause it won't fly here. When they said Boom just recovered from an ankle injury and has not trained as he would under normal circumstances you immediately said that they had their excuses in early. As far as I'm concerned that is a plausible explanation for an underwhelming performance much like your ''explanations'' for Tony's under par performances.

Hold on, yes that's an excuse. But if you wanna use it, you have to state it in front of the race that Boom won't be able to do all that well. You can not say that Boom is a favorite to win it, and once he fails you say ok, the injury was why he couldn't win it.
As for me I knew that Tony wouldn't do well at last years Tour and i said it before the Tour. I didn't make excuses afterwards.

 

[TeoSheva]

is it enough?

let's go back on the race...

Tony Martin for the overall

 

[Spine Concept]

Hold on, yes that's an excuse. But if you wanna use it, you have to state it in front of the race that Boom won't be able to do all that well. You can not say that Boom is a favorite to win it, and once he fails you say ok, the injury was why he couldn't win it.
As for me I knew that Tony wouldn't do well at last years Tour and i said it before the Tour. I didn't make excuses afterwards.

He would be a favorite under normal circumstances according to many because of his positive results in prologues. However, he has, de facto, just recovered from an injury. Thus, if he has an underwhelming performance and it needs to be pinned down to something it would most likely be that fact. Or would you rather just gloat that Boom simply sucks and is overrated based on that prologue? Can you wrap your mind around that? Good. Can you let it go now? Let's just wait and see. Nobody is asking you to list Boom as one of your favorites nor are we minimizing Martin's ITT abilities. Just leave it at that.

 

[Bavarianrider]

is it enough?

let's go back on the race...

Tony Martin for the overall

I don't know if he sould really win it. That could mean he peaks a bit too early maybe. But top 5 should be booked for sure.
I think there will generally be rather huge gaps in the TT. At least for a 42km TT.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

I don't know if he sould really win it. That could mean he peaks a bit too early maybe. But top 5 should be booked for sure.
I think there will generally be rather huge gaps in the TT. At least for a 42km TT.

peak early..?

ohhh you obviously mean the German TT champs ey.
to be fair, I really don't think he will have to be in prime form to win there.

Plus he can rest in the autobus for a few weeks after that

 

[Bavarianrider]

peak early..?

ohhh you obviously mean the German TT champs ey.
to be fair, I really don't think he will have to be in prime form to win there.

Plus he can rest in the autobus for a few weeks after that

Your words in god's ears

 

[Parrulo]

well only roughly a week till all this nonsense about martin having a shot at the top 5 of the dauphine ends. then only a few more weeks and any talk about martin being able to climb at all will be gone as well. i can't wait for it

 

[jobiwan]

well only roughly a week till all this nonsense about martin having a shot at the top 5 of the dauphine ends. then only a few more weeks and any talk about martin being able to climb at all will be gone as well. i can't wait for it

This misery will all be over soon!!!

 

[Libertine Seguros]

To talk to Bayrischreiter on his own terms:

You, sir, are being a Betonkopf.

 

[Bavarianrider]

To talk to Bayrischreiter on his own terms:

You, sir, are being a Betonkopf.

Guys, maybe you shouldn't hang out yourself of the window too far. &his could backfire on you if things go not the way you excpected them to go

 

[jobiwan]

Guys, maybe you shouldn't hang out yourself of the window too far. &his could backfire on you if things go not the way you excpected them to go

It'd be wise to take your own advise then.