2011 Criterium du Dauphine Libere - 5th to 12th of June, 2.WT

[Dekker_Tifosi]

I'm sorry but that is a *** statement. Because as I said, than I could say Tony Martin has ridden no good GT in the TDF, so he is no good gt-rider. Cmon, you know it's bull****...
The guy has beaten nearly every top rider including Cancellara in prologues. You REALLY want to question his ability??

Besides I don't expect Boom in this prologue because he had knee problems in California, as theyoungest already saiid

 

[theyoungest]

All i say is that Boom has yet to proof that he can win TT against top competition after March. Which i doubt he can.

You do know that June and July aren't what Boom's season revolves around, right?

 

[Bavarianrider]

You do know that June and July aren't what Boom's season revolves around, right?

That's why i say he won't perform well in June/July

 

[Bavarianrider]

I'm sorry but that is a *** statement. Because as I said, than I could say Tony Martin has ridden no good GT in the TDF, so he is no good gt-rider. Cmon, you know it's bull****...
The guy has beaten nearly every top rider including Cancellara in prologues. You REALLY want to question his ability??

Besides I don't expect Boom in this prologue because he had knee problems in California, as theyoungest already saiid

Hold on i didn't say anything about Booms abilities in general.

All i said is that he has never proofen that he can be up there against the bog guns in TTs in June and July. Therefore i doubt it when people name him the favorite for the prologue.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

If he wants to, he could. Boom is a man who has goals, and he is only good in the period when he wants to achieve that goal.

It was already that way in cyclocross. Extremely good in a few cyclocrosses year, and normal/average in the others.
In peak form Boom is simply one of the best prologue specialists there is.

 

[Bavarianrider]

If he wants to, he could. Boom is a man who has goals, and he is only good in the period when he wants to achieve that goal.

It was already that way in cyclocross. Extremely good in a few cyclocrosses year, and normal/average in the others.
In peak form Boom is simply one of the best prologue specialists there is.

That may be, but if you talk the talk you ve gotta walk the walk. As long as he doesn't he's just a spring rider.

 

[Ferminal]

I'm surprised this one hasn't been pointed out.

ENECO 2010 5km

1. [CAN] TUFT Svein GRM 06'18" 40
2. [NED] VAN EMDEN Jos RAB 05" 25
3. [NED] BOOM Lars RAB 06" 15
4. [NED] TJALLINGII Maarten RAB 06" 10
5. [NOR] BOASSON HAGEN Edvald SKY 07" 5
6. [GBR] THOMAS Geraint SKY 07" 3
7. [GER] MARTIN Tony THR 07" 2
8. [DEN] RASMUSSEN Alex SAX 09" 1
9. [AUS] PORTE Richie SAX 09" 0
10. [ESP] CASTROVIEJO NICOLAS Jonathan EUS 10" 0

I guess it was in August after the Tour, so it doesn't count.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

A spring rider who won a stage in the Vuelta in september. The Tour of Belgium in may, and the Dutch championships in June..... I hear you

 

[will10]

That may be, but if you talk the talk you ve gotta walk the walk. As long as he doesn't he's just a spring rider.

And as long as your beloved Tony fails miserably in every GT he rides, he's just a TT specialist..

 

[Bavarianrider]

I'm surprised this one hasn't been pointed out.

ENECO 2010 5km

1. [CAN] TUFT Svein GRM 06'18" 40
2. [NED] VAN EMDEN Jos RAB 05" 25
3. [NED] BOOM Lars RAB 06" 15
4. [NED] TJALLINGII Maarten RAB 06" 10
5. [NOR] BOASSON HAGEN Edvald SKY 07" 5
6. [GBR] THOMAS Geraint SKY 07" 3
7. [GER] MARTIN Tony THR 07" 2
8. [DEN] RASMUSSEN Alex SAX 09" 1
9. [AUS] PORTE Richie SAX 09" 0
10. [ESP] CASTROVIEJO NICOLAS Jonathan EUS 10" 0

I guess it was in August after the Tour, so it doesn't count.

It has been pointed out. It's in August where no one peakes, plus it was a very technical course, so no big deal he beat Tony by 1 second. But still he didn't win it.

1 Tony Martin (Ger) Team HTC - Columbia 0:20:24
2 Maarten Tjallingii (Ned) Rabobank 0:00:06
3 Alex Rasmussen (Den) Team Saxo Bank 0:00:09
4 Richie Porte (Aus) Team Saxo Bank 0:00:20
5 Koos Moerenhout (Ned) Rabobank
6 Edvald Boasson Hagen (Nor) Sky Professional Cycling Team 0:00:24
7 Jos Van Emden (Ned) Rabobank
8 Jonathan Castroviejo (Spa) Euskaltel - Euskadi 0:00:27
9 Andreas Klöden (Ger) Team Radioshack 0:00:33
10 Svein Tuft (Can) Garmin - Transitions 0:00:36
11 Patrick Gretsch (Ger) Team HTC - Columbia 0:00:38
12 Lars Boom (Ned) Rabobank 0:00:40

 

[joy118118]

top 10 possible no order

BOOM Lars
WIGGINS Bradley
ZABRISKIE David
HAGEN Edvald Boasson
ROELANDTS Jurgen
DEGENKOLB John
TAARAMAE Rein
PHINNEY Taylor
EVANS Cadel
MARTIN Tony

Lars Boom for the win ... if he rides of course.

are you discussing the prologue? why is degenkolb in this list? the boy doesnt have a good TT this year.

 

[just some guy]

are you discussing the prologue? why is degenkolb in this list? the boy doesnt have a good TT this year.

Yes Prologue - might be wrong but we will see.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

@bavarian: and guess what prologue riding is much about? Indeed, technical skills, because prologues are often technical. Thus boom is a good prologue rider, and better than Martin when they put corners in it. Duh..

 

[Bavarianrider]

Just to hurt you a bit more

July 24, 2010: Tour de France / Tour de France 2010: Bordeaux - Pauillac (52 km individual time trial)

2 Tony Martin (Ger) Team HTC - Columbia 0:00:17
160 Lars Boom (Ned) Rabobank 0:10:30

 

[Bavarianrider]

@bavarian: and guess what prologue riding is much about? Indeed, technical skills, because prologues are often technical. Thus boom is a good prologue rider, and better than Martin when they put corners in it. Duh..

Didn't say he isn't good, all i said is that from what he has shown so far in his career there's no sign at all he can win that Dauphine prologue.

 

[just some guy]

Just to hurt you a bit more

July 24, 2010: Tour de France / Tour de France 2010: Bordeaux - Pauillac (52 km individual time trial)

2 Tony Martin (Ger) Team HTC - Columbia 0:00:17
160 Lars Boom (Ned) Rabobank 0:10:30

Do you understand the difference between a 5.5 km and a 52 km TT ?

 

[Ferminal]

It has been pointed out. It's in August where no one peakes, plus it was a very technical course, so no big deal he beat Tony by 1 second. But still he didn't win it.

1 Tony Martin (Ger) Team HTC - Columbia 0:20:24
2 Maarten Tjallingii (Ned) Rabobank 0:00:06
3 Alex Rasmussen (Den) Team Saxo Bank 0:00:09
4 Richie Porte (Aus) Team Saxo Bank 0:00:20
5 Koos Moerenhout (Ned) Rabobank
6 Edvald Boasson Hagen (Nor) Sky Professional Cycling Team 0:00:24
7 Jos Van Emden (Ned) Rabobank
8 Jonathan Castroviejo (Spa) Euskaltel - Euskadi 0:00:27
9 Andreas Klöden (Ger) Team Radioshack 0:00:33
10 Svein Tuft (Can) Garmin - Transitions 0:00:36
11 Patrick Gretsch (Ger) Team HTC - Columbia 0:00:38
12 Lars Boom (Ned) Rabobank 0:00:40

What relevancy does this have to Boom's prologue ability?

 

[Bavarianrider]

Do you understand the difference between a 5.5 km and a 52 km TT ?

It's not like Boom performed much better in the prologue

 

[Bavarianrider]

What relevancy does this have to Boom's prologue ability?

15km is not that far of a prologue. A prologue super hero should be able to perform better for 15km. Shouldn't he?

 

[Ferminal]

15km is not that far of a prologue. A prologue super hero should be able to perform better for 15km. Shouldn't he?

No, that's like saying Sir Chris is good over 1km so should be able to win an IP.

I don't think anyone has ever considered Boom a top ITT'er. Racing in and out of corners in a city over typically 4-7km courses is very different to long straights over a few km or more.

 

[Bavarianrider]

No, that's like saying Sir Chris is good over 1km so should be able to win an IP.

I don't think anyone has ever considered Boom a top ITT'er. Racing in and out of corners in a city over typically 4-7km courses is very different to long straights over a few km or more.

Yep but this course in the Dauphine isn't your typical tricky city curcuit. So no chance for Boom.

If he should finish ahead of Tony a " I love Lars Boom" T shirt will be my avatar.

 

[Spine Concept]

Yep but this course in the Dauphine isn't your typical tricky city curcuit. So no chance for Boom.

If he should finish ahead of Tony a " I love Lars Boom" T shirt will be my avatar.

We get it, you do not fancy Lars Boom for the Prologue. Others do. Can you live with that? Give it a rest.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Just to hurt you a bit more

July 24, 2010: Tour de France / Tour de France 2010: Bordeaux - Pauillac (52 km individual time trial)

2 Tony Martin (Ger) Team HTC - Columbia 0:00:17
160 Lars Boom (Ned) Rabobank 0:10:30

And what does a 52km TT has to do with a prologue?

I could also put Tony Martin in a cyclocross with Boom and see how it goes. But I don't see how it's relevant that Boom would put him on 10 laps there?

 

[theyoungest]

It has been pointed out. It's in August where no one peakes, plus it was a very technical course, so no big deal he beat Tony by 1 second. But still he didn't win it.

1 Tony Martin (Ger) Team HTC - Columbia 0:20:24
2 Maarten Tjallingii (Ned) Rabobank 0:00:06
3 Alex Rasmussen (Den) Team Saxo Bank 0:00:09
4 Richie Porte (Aus) Team Saxo Bank 0:00:20
5 Koos Moerenhout (Ned) Rabobank
6 Edvald Boasson Hagen (Nor) Sky Professional Cycling Team 0:00:24
7 Jos Van Emden (Ned) Rabobank
8 Jonathan Castroviejo (Spa) Euskaltel - Euskadi 0:00:27
9 Andreas Klöden (Ger) Team Radioshack 0:00:33
10 Svein Tuft (Can) Garmin - Transitions 0:00:36
11 Patrick Gretsch (Ger) Team HTC - Columbia 0:00:38
12 Lars Boom (Ned) Rabobank 0:00:40

If you're going to be a bigot, do it right. Boom had a flat in that TT, he was on his way to a much better time.

Anyway, he probably won't beat your idol this Sunday, because as we pointed out, he only started training again two days ago.

 

[Bavarianrider]

We get it, you do not fancy Lars Boom for the Prologue. Others do. Can you live with that? Give it a rest.

Sorry if i took it too far. Just want to inrease your guys knowledge of cycling, i 'll try to keep a bit calmer in the future, promised