2011 Tour de France Stage 18 - Pinerolo - Galibier Serre-Chevalier 200.5km

[Waterloo Sunrise]

Listen...has nothing to do with any riders I like or don't...why have a time cut??? Its BS...they didn't make the cut...let them ride to Paris...but they shouldn't be in any jersey competitions...

You can't request the commissars ignore the rules and make it up as they go along, and then give it the old 'I have no irons in the fire on this one' schtick.

The rules are clear and the rules have been enforced. Stop moaning.

 

[ManInFull]

Because he had done that allready.
wanted to try Giro+TDF double

Well, I wonder if he would have participated in the Giro if he'd known that he would be able to get the CAS ruling extended until after the Tour?

 

[goggalor]

Wrong. The time limit was of course misjudget by several minutes since over 70 riders couldn't reach it.

Several grupetto riders were smiling at the finish. Not everyone was going all out.

 

[jobiwan]

KOM Points:

1 Jelle Vanendert (Bel) Omega Pharma-Lotto 74 pts
2 Samuel Sanchez Gonzalez (Spa) Euskaltel-Euskadi 72
3 Andy Schleck (Lux) Leopard Trek 70
4 Fränk Schleck (Lux) Leopard Trek 56
5 Cadel Evans (Aus) BMC Racing Team 50

Hard to tell.

 

[ManInFull]

That they planned for the captains to bust them self in catching Andy, and that Frank should counter when they caught him.

Why couldn't the Yellow Group catch them on the descent and lead-up to the last climb? What happened?

 

[Parrulo]

Well, I wonder if he would have participated in the Giro if he'd known that he would be able to get the CAS ruling extended until after the Tour?

he signed to ride the giro before last years tour. . .

 

[Cervelo77]

Wrong. The time limit was of course misjudget by several minutes since over 70 riders couldn't reach it.

Exact statement.

 

[Thomsena]

Several grupetto riders were smiling at the finish. Not everyone was going all out.

Yeah, you followed them up the mountain, right? Come on. They are pros - show some respect to riders. Really.

 

[kjetilraknerud]

I can't believe we had an epic mountain stage, and people are complaining that some of the dominant riders of the tour (Cav, Thor, Phil, EBH?) can still ride tomorrow. Get a grip.

 

[GroupDK]

79 riders didn't make the time limit

yeah out with them. (having no problem with throwing them out, i hope alle the danes are in that group, what a shamefull tour from the danes)

But still Norway is almost danish, just a couple of years back it was our country..

 

[marioni]

Several grupetto riders were smiling at the finish. Not everyone was going all out.

Why would they go all out? It's not like they were gonna be thrown out of the race if they didnt make the cut, right?
It seems this rule serves no purpose as it's selectively applied.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

KOM Points:

1 Jelle Vanendert (Bel) Omega Pharma-Lotto 74 pts
2 Samuel Sanchez Gonzalez (Spa) Euskaltel-Euskadi 72
3 Andy Schleck (Lux) Leopard Trek 70
4 Fränk Schleck (Lux) Leopard Trek 56
5 Cadel Evans (Aus) BMC Racing Team 50

Hard to tell.

i'll guess andy.

Unless Vanendert gets in the break. But ofc if andy wins there are double points right? which would be enough regardless.

 

[SarahDane]

what did he say exactly ?

Something along the lines of Andy telling him days ago, that they had to take a chance, and he would attack early, forcing the others to chase him with Fränk wheelsucking, and then when then reached him, (this is where the plan didn't work out as planned, but, as Fränk said, "Still good for the Schleck family") Fränk would counter and gain the time on the other, to win the Tour,

 

[goggalor]

Yeah, you followed them up the mountain, right? Come on. They are pros - show some respect to riders. Really.

They stuck together so that no one would get eliminated, and the organisers let it happen.

 

[patrick767]

Will the Schlecks try a similar trick tomorrow with the rolls reversed? Send Frank up the road early and if the GC guys catch him, Andy goes? Or does Andy need more time on Evans badly enough that he has to go himself?

The Schlecks tag teaming has worked poorly in the past when they go for short attacks on final climbs.

As for their grupetto, I see their clever plan now. Finish outside the time limit, but be so big that the Tour won't elminate them. Brilliant! Why'd they even bother finishing at 35 down? Take a leisurely ride and come in an hour or so later.

 

[ManInFull]

Someone should revive his annual thread.

If Danielson does accomplish a top 10 finish, it will be a remarkably boring achievement. But, good for him.

 

[HL2037]

yeah out with them. (having no problem with throwing them out, i hope alle the danes are in that group, what a shamefull tour from the danes)

But still Norway is almost danish, just a couple of years back it was our country..

Which dane has not done his best in your opinion?

 

[Escarabajo]

They're all getting -20 points. Some of them will have negative points now.

Correct. It would not be the first time in the Tour.

 

[DamonAlbarn]

Listen...has nothing to do with any riders I like or don't...why have a time cut??? Its BS...they didn't make the cut...let them ride to Paris...but they shouldn't be in any jersey competitions...

It's a good call. It's a **** take if someone who's close to e.g. the green jersey really digs deep and avoid the grupetto, where the others are only to be faced by a -20 penalty.

Eh? -20 points? How does that add up for 99% of the grupetto lads?

 

[Rooboy]

Wrong. The time limit was of course misjudget by several minutes since over 70 riders couldn't reach it.

It's not actually "misjudged". The time limits are set and based on coefficients.

For "stages presenting intense difficulty" at an average speed of 32 km/h the percentage is 9%.

 

[Thomsena]

They stuck together so that no one would get eliminated, and the organisers let it happen.

Yeah, that's how it is and has always been. It's a very subjective process when they set the time limit and that's why they let them complete the race.

 

[jobiwan]

Will the Schlecks try a similar trick tomorrow with the rolls reversed? Send Frank up the road early and if the GC guys catch him, Andy goes? Or does Andy need more time on Evans badly enough that he has to go himself?

The Schlecks tag teaming has worked poorly in the past when they go for short attacks on final climbs.

As for their grupetto, I see their clever plan now. Finish outside the time limit, but be so big that the Tour won't elminate them. Brilliant! Why'd they even bother finishing at 35 down? Take a leisurely ride and come in an hour or so later.

I think tomorrow it'll just be the Alpe, the Galibier is probably too far away.

 

[musorowegudo]

Since AC is no longer a GC contender, he can attack in the early climbs tomorrow so that we can enjoy another show for free . . .

 

[hrotha]

Because he made the time limit, Cav didn't.

Yes, and Cav lost 20 points because of that. Rojas didn't.

Again, them's the rules.

 

[Thomsena]

It's not actually "misjudged". The time limits are set and based on coefficients.

For "stages presenting intense difficulty" at an average speed of 32 km/h the percentage is 9%.

But other factors are counted as well which are based on a VERY subjective process.. Look at the Beille stage - was it 28 minutes? Ridiculous