2012 Giro d'Italia, May 6th, stage 2: Herning → Herning, 206K

[LugHugger]

They simply have way greater palmares than anyone else in the race. Its sprinting so you dont need to be on form beforehand to perform well. What did Goss do before he came 2nd in worlds last year?

Does winning MSR count?????

 

[Richeypen]

Does winning MSR count?????

You think that winning MSR is a good indication of form for the WRR?

 

[Ferminal]

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[Caruut]

Thought he gave him that win.

 

[greenedge]

Congrats to Cav. I feel sad that Goss started the sprint too early ( then at the end he just dived to be on Cavs' wheel to preserve 2nd- though based on that performance they are the 2 fastest here- with maybe Demare/ Bos too ).

Congrats to Soupe ( an unknown- which is nice ).

 

[patterson_hood]

Congrats to Cav. I feel sad that Goss started the sprint too early ( then at the end he just dived to be on Cavs' wheel to preserve 2nd- though based on that performance they are the 2 fastest here- with maybe Demare/ Bos too ).

Congrats to Soupe ( an unknown- which is nice ).

I know he said he started too early, but from what I can see he started a split second before Cav and still lost by over a bike length. I don't think he'd have won it even if he was happy with his timing.


I'm Glad Cav got a good win in, last year I did think he looked a bit fat and slow at time to be honest and I thought he was maybe not training too well. Seems he's upped that this year.

Glad to see the same arguments being recycled constantly, wouldn't be the same without them.

Does anyone else think Farrar always seems to have an excuse for why he lost? He never seems to admit he was beaten by the better man.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Does anyone else think Farrar always seems to have an excuse for why he lost? He never seems to admit he was beaten by the better man.

Same goes for Cav though. It's often a characteristic of sprinters. They have to have the self-belief to keep going for it, otherwise they'd just get swamped. Remember Farrar winning a sprint in the Vuelta, and Cav getting angry with him because he didn't mention Cav having a mechanical in the post-race interview? Cav HAD had a mechanical, but Farrar was too busy celebrating his win to make Cav's excuse for him.

I must admit that sometimes I criticise Cavendish for it, so Farrar should be criticised for it too, but I do think that it is a general trait of sprinters, because they're always competing for wins, that they have to believe they can bring that win home, and therefore feel the need to justify when they don't.

 

[Christian]

And that's how it went: No real hills, no real winds, but corners and crashes. Guess that's what the organizers wanted?

If that's what the organisers wanted, they're complete idiots.

Bore the audience to sleep for hours, then injure a bunch of riders at the end, thus making a complete mess of the sprint, the only interesting part of the day?

Funny that as soon as Zomegnan is gone people start bashing the "organisers" for the crappy parcours and the many crashes. Where were all those critics during the dutch slaughterfest of 2010? Too busy loving Zomegnan for putting in some strade bianche.

The thing is though that the "organisers" are not the ones to blame for the Herning grand départ ... but Zomegnan. He is the one who booked the deal, this is the final part of his legacy.

Unfortunately Acquarone seems to follow in the footpaths of Zomegnan since he is currently working on a grand départ in the US.

Team Gadret moved up 5 places....GAME ON!!

Lol! Go get 'em Johnny

 

[Froome19]

Funny that as soon as Zomegnan is gone people start bashing the "organisers" for the crappy parcours and the many crashes. Where were all those critics during the dutch slaughterfest of 2010? Too busy loving Zomegnan for putting in some strade bianche.

The thing is though that the "organisers" are not the ones to blame for the Herning grand départ ... but Zomegnan. He is the one who booked the deal, this is the final part of his legacy.

Unfortunately Acquarone seems to follow in the footpaths of Zomegnan since he is currently working on a grand départ in the US.

The layout of this Giro in terms of where its mountain stages are placed and balance between sprint stages, hilly ones, uphill finishes etc is perfect.
Also the mountains stages and uphill stages (16,7,8 etc) all look like really well planned stages as well, so overall the parcours which have been designed look really great

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Funny that as soon as Zomegnan is gone people start bashing the "organisers" for the crappy parcours and the many crashes. Where were all those critics during the dutch slaughterfest of 2010? Too busy loving Zomegnan for putting in some strade bianche.

The thing is though that the "organisers" are not the ones to blame for the Herning grand départ ... but Zomegnan. He is the one who booked the deal, this is the final part of his legacy.

Unfortunately Acquarone seems to follow in the footpaths of Zomegnan since he is currently working on a grand départ in the US.

I actually really didn't enjoy the obstacle course in 2010. I mean, the stage Weylandt won was exciting, but the amount of crashes and injuries (and Domenico Pozzovivo losing ten minutes and falling ill) was a step too far, in my opinion. I was also disappointed by the outcome in that a lot of riders I wanted to win lost time and riders I didn't want to win gained it.

I know that the Denmark start is Zomegnan's fault, and I jokingly suggested that it was his revenge for knowing he was going to be ousted - make the Giro without him start off on as crappy a footing as possible. Then again, he presided over the godawful 2004 route. But it was the criticisms of his 2004 route that made him go the more extreme route, and when he tried for a more flat event in 2009, he was criticised again, hence the lunacy of 2010 and 2011 was a response to that (and to the audience figures for mountain stages dwarfing those of flat stages and ITTs).

I stand by my statement. I can't possibly believe that yesterday's race was exactly what Acquarone OR Zomegnan wanted. The wind didn't blow, so we got two hours of soul-crushingly boring racing, and then when we finally got to the exciting bit, the layout of the course caused half of the sprint field to crash, denying us a lot of the interest of that one part of the race that was interesting. Who wants to bore the audience to tears waiting for the exciting few minutes, only to then take that excitement away from them to a large extent? That finish might have been absolutely fine in the Post Danmark Rundt, with a few WT teams and the Continental guys. Fewer guys jostling over the spots at the front, lots of guys who are used to racing in Denmark. But for the Giro, with the whole WT and lots of teams competing for the leadout (which wasn't very well controlled, which contributed to it), and a host of Italian and South American lightweight climbers being asked to race around a course like that, it was always going to be risky. Just like it was in 2010. At least in Middelburg the field had been thinned out by the wind (although that had caused plenty of crashes in its own right). If it hadn't, we could well have seen the same results.

 

[The Hitch]

Does winning MSR count?????

read the discussion. Im the one who is defending goss through his palmares. Pisti is saying goss is a crap splinter because he was poor in turkey. But the point is he was poor before the worlds too which shows he can be good without preform.

Or would you count a march classic as buildup to the October worlds?

 

[The Hitch]

Funny that as soon as Zomegnan is gone people start bashing the "organisers" for the crappy parcours and the many crashes. Where were all those critics during the dutch slaughterfest of 2010? Too busy loving Zomegnan for putting in some strade bianche.

The thing is though that the "organisers" are not the ones to blame for the Herning grand départ ... but Zomegnan. He is the one who booked the deal, this is the final part of his legacy.

Unfortunately Acquarone seems to follow in the footpaths of Zomegnan since he is currently working on a grand départ in the US.

Lol! Go get 'em Johnny

That's some **** poor trolling. why don't you actually look back to the 2010giro rather than claim everyone excused it.

t was very controversial and a lot of fans attacked the stage including big giro fans atta

I was supposed to see a bike race today but it looked much more like a war!

Just saw the stage.

Words cannot describe how *** these stages have been.

This is why I hate dangerous flat stages. They add absolutely nothing at all whatsoever except arbitratily crashing people.
Next time let's all stay home and throw darts at a board full of riders' names and say "you. broken collarbone. you. 50 second time loos. you. mangled face."

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t very heated.

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?p=203546#post203546

those of us who remember your attempts last year know you have some bizarre passionate hatred towards the giro which motivates these posts.

Keep trying.

 

[Christian]

That's some **** poor trolling. why don't you actually look back to the 2010giro rather than claim everyone excused it.

t was very controversial and a lot of fans attacked the stage including big giro fans atta





t very heated.

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?p=203546#post203546

those of us who remember your attempts last year know you have some bizarre passionate hatred towards the giro which motivates these posts.

Keep trying.

Lol calm down Hiczikowsky. I never claimed everyone excused it. I don't hate the Giro and never have, I have only ever criticized Zomegnan but that was always the response. Criticism of Zomegnan = Giro hater. Sorry but I don't follow that logic. Of course my memory might be faulty but as I recall it the vast majority of the forum found the route epic and Zomegnan awesome and very few people dared to criticized him. Again, my memory might be flawed so please knock yourself out looking through another 200-page thread for counter examples. Last year I believe luckyboy started a thread where he timidly suggested the route made for boring racing and didn't get many positive responses either (I don't remember the title of the thread but you probably do so could you please look it up?).

I guess what I am trying to say is the forum in it's vast majority has always been very Zomegnan-friendly, to the point of worshipping him. The fact that now users are criticizing the organisers for a route that they didn't choose is somewhat ironic. Probably the user who I first quoted didn't even know it was Zomegnan who booked the Herning deal so I don't blame them for anything. I just thought I should point it out.

But then you lost your sh*t because in your world Zomegnan critcism = giro hater = troll.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Lol calm down Hiczikowsky. I never claimed everyone excused it. I don't hate the Giro and never have, I have only ever criticized Zomegnan but that was always the response. Criticism of Zomegnan = Giro hater. Sorry but I don't follow that logic. Of course my memory might be faulty but as I recall it the vast majority of the forum found the route epic and Zomegnan awesome and very few people dared to criticized him. Again, my memory might be flawed so please knock yourself out looking through another 200-page thread for counter examples. Last year I believe luckyboy started a thread where he timidly suggested the route made for boring racing and didn't get many positive responses either (I don't remember the title of the thread but you probably do so could you please look it up?).

I guess what I am trying to say is the forum in it's vast majority has always been very Zomegnan-friendly, to the point of worshipping him. The fact that now users are criticizing the organisers for a route that they didn't choose is somewhat ironic. Probably the user who I first quoted didn't even know it was Zomegnan who booked the Herning deal so I don't blame them for anything. I just thought I should point it out.

But then you lost your sh*t because in your world Zomegnan critcism = giro hater = troll.

how bad is your memory? you were wrong here
http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=851252&postcount=1366

no one who have voiced their opinion there have left.

 

[Christian]

how bad is your memory? you were wrong here
http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=851252&postcount=1366

no one who have voiced their opinion there have left.

Yes I was wrong there and probably have been before (I don't remember, probably due to bad memory) so what is your point?! Also you may not have noticed but my theory that LaFlorecita and airstream are both sockpuppets developped by dimspace in his secret evil plan to destroy the forum might not have been completely serious, therefore I was not looking to hard to back it up

Can you remind me what your old username was? I have nothing to do tonight so I thought I would go through all your old posts and look for something you were wrong about. Unfortunately I forgot your old username I remember it started with "Za" but that's about it

 

[El Pistolero]

Zam the Eye-talian Indian.

 

[LugHugger]

read the discussion. Im the one who is defending goss through his palmares. Pisti is saying goss is a crap splinter because he was poor in turkey. But the point is he was poor before the worlds too which shows he can be good without preform.

Or would you count a march classic as buildup to the October worlds?

I guess the irony was lost on you and Richey. My brain can't get around the logic of doubting a riders sprinting ability when they've won MSR in the way that Goss did. Anyhoo, old news now.

 

[El Pistolero]

I guess the irony was lost on you and Richey. My brain can't get around the logic of doubting a riders sprinting ability when they've won MSR in the way that Goss did. Anyhoo, old news now.

He impressed me a lot more in other aspects of cycling than sprinting that day. Back then I thought he would do great in other classics as well, but for some reason it hasn't come out in other classics yet. Goss is so much more than a sprinter yet he was in terrible shape for the first part of the season.... Hence I called him crap. Only calling it how it was.

 

[Richeypen]

I guess the irony was lost on you and Richey. My brain can't get around the logic of doubting a riders sprinting ability when they've won MSR in the way that Goss did. Anyhoo, old news now.

Woops, my bad

 

[greenedge]

Not every person delivers every year at the Classics though- so sprinting is still a good viable option. Just look at Farrar ( not a good Classics season ) and no win this year ( not even sprinting yet he is one of the best ).

Goss' win today vindicates his choice to be a sprinter- he does also this year have the Olympics and every cyclist would love to have a gold medal from the Olympics.