2012 Paris - Nice

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Oct 28, 2010
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roundabout said:
It's probably *not* 7.9% as according to the profile 545m is higher than 578.

yes, i didn't notice that :( but nevertheless it's at least 1km-4% and the fight for time bonuses
 
Dec 27, 2010
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It's still a really poor route considering what terrain they have to play with. Look at the Sisteron and Nice stages, really depressing as it's such a waste.

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Makes me sad.

Will be all about Mende and Col d'Eze
 
Oct 28, 2010
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Yes, it is a poor route. But it could have been much worse. At least the first time trial is not absolutely flat and we have some stages with possibility of an interesting battle for time bonuses on short ascents.
 
I think Porte could still end up going well here, even if he does have to ride for Wiggins 9 who might struggle on Mende ).

The route is not great but at least all stages are quite hilly. The riders have to make the race and it should not be worse than last year.
 
Sep 28, 2011
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Any official rider lists anywhere yet?

Froome should be in with a good chance with Wiggo etc backing him up. Would have thought the uphill TT could be perfect for him too.
 
Jul 24, 2010
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durhamwasp said:
Any official rider lists anywhere yet?

Froome should be in with a good chance with Wiggo etc backing him up. Would have thought the uphill TT could be perfect for him too.

Froome disappeared during Algarve, and not a word has been said about it (that I've seen anyway) on the Sky website or elsewhere. Hopefully it's nothing that will keep him out of Paris-Nice.
 
Dec 28, 2011
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Yeh, bit worried about Froome, Sky are normally mega quick to give you every detail, but there's been a total lack of info on his DNF in Algarve. Anyone have any insight?
 
hatcher said:
Froome disappeared during Algarve, and not a word has been said about it (that I've seen anyway) on the Sky website or elsewhere. Hopefully it's nothing that will keep him out of Paris-Nice.

Hopefully the parasitic worms haven't made a return to action...

Considering he was targeting Paris-Nice it would be a bit strange to pull out of the Algarve on Stage 3 if there was nothing wrong with him given that Sky were defending the jersey on stage 4 (albeit a flat stage) and he'd miss the chance to do a TT on the last day.
 
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durhamwasp said:
If Froome doesn't ride i wonder whether Sky will aim for Wiggo to go for GC or give Porte a bash.

after Algarve win Porte said he gonna work for Wiggo in PN
 
Mar 21, 2011
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Nah, P-N is better for Porte or Froome.
Plus it would do Wiggo good to pay back all the support he's gonna need in the Tour over these next few months...
 
18-Valve. (pithy) said:
I wouldn't go that far. He's not THAT bad on explosive finishes and the time trial suits him just fine. He could make the podium.
If you were to design a P-N route for Wiggins you would make a route with a long TT (to put time on the climbers) and a hard, long MTF (to put time on Tony Martin). This route has neither. Even if he'll do well in the prologue he'll lose some time on Mende and certainly won't be getting much bonus seconds elsewhere which could be vital in this race. He could still win though, but only if he's in absolute top shape.
 
May 12, 2010
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Euskaltel! said:
Nah, P-N is better for Porte or Froome.
Plus it would do Wiggo good to pay back all the support he's gonna need in the Tour over these next few months...

He already paid Porte back in Algarve, Froome hasn't shown any shape in ages. It would be silly to have Wiggins sacrifice a decent shot at winning Paris-Nice for him.
 
Lanark said:
He already paid Porte back in Algarve, Froome hasn't shown any shape in ages. It would be silly to have Wiggins sacrifice a decent shot at winning Paris-Nice for him.

Any shape in ages?

It's February.

He came 2nd in the last GT.

Top 10 in the last world tour stage race.

Would you have liked him to find some races in December to show off in?
 
May 12, 2010
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Waterloo Sunrise said:
Any shape in ages?

It's February.

He came 2nd in the last GT.

Top 10 in the last world tour stage race.

Would you have liked him to find some races in December to show off in?

So that's over four months ago? Why would you have Wiggins working for him, while he won a time trial just a couple of days ago (and showed some pretty good domestique work in the hills before that)?
 
Lanark said:
So that's over four months ago? Why would you have Wiggins working for him, while he won a time trial just a couple of days ago (and showed some pretty good domestique work in the hills before that)?

I really don't care what Wiggins did this weekend.

You stated that Froome hasn't done anything for ages.

The statement was just silly.

It is February and he has had 3 race days. At the end of the prior season he was one of the most in form, performing riders around.
 
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Sophistic said:
support?for what?there are two tts and a 3k climb...

In Alagarve there was only one 3km climb and Sky had to do amazing amount of work up front on that day and then defend that jersey. If Wiggins gets the yellow jersey early on he will very much need support ;)
 
the scary thing is if tony martin,levi or kloden don't come here in very good form,sky might take all the first three places.
froomy i'm sure he has a very good form,looked good while working for richie like a nuts,after that stage it was time for a final training tuning.the man even saw the climbs for paris-nice and everything,you'll see he will smoke them on mende,possible a 1-2 with richie.
the route is crrap but sky might save it and give us some entertainment.
 
Sep 28, 2011
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Agree with both of the last 2 posters, the route does have a couple of tough stages that will need team work, and its not impossible that Sky could take 3 of the top 5 places in the prologue and who knows from there.
 
maltiv said:
If you were to design a P-N route for Wiggins you would make a route with a long TT (to put time on the climbers) and a hard, long MTF (to put time on Tony Martin). This route has neither. Even if he'll do well in the prologue he'll lose some time on Mende and certainly won't be getting much bonus seconds elsewhere which could be vital in this race. He could still win though, but only if he's in absolute top shape.

Sure, the route is far from ideal for him, but I don't know if Froome and Porte can do much better.

As for Mende, they'll use the TDF finish, right? If the final kilometer is essentially flat the gaps could be relatively small.