2013 Cleanest Peloton Ever

[BYOP88]

You guys are all cynics. I've heard St. Jonathan of Vaughters and others declare that everyone stopped doping in 2006. So that's 7 years of 'pure' performances. How else do you explain a guy from Africa winning a GT, when 10 years ago he'd never seen a road and how can a 41 year old have worn the leaders jersey in a GT if people were still taking PED's?

 

[DirtyWorks]

You guys are all cynics. I've heard St. Jonathan of Vaughters and others declare that everyone stopped doping in 2006.

Because there are so many new and clean-er team management.

Cycling is moving forward. I'm sorry you don't believe, you hate winners, and hate going fast.

 

[murali]

I think the need of the hour is to be honest with ourselves.

If you want to see entertaining racing, then forget about doping and enjoy the show.

If you want to see clean racing, go to animal planet or national geographic. pretty sure those tigers chasing deer are not doped.

The data regarding doping tests conducted by AFLD, as tabled to the french legislature, shows that these people are only interested in computing a sample of dopers; just the same way TV guys determine the ratings of programs. Even from their own results, when the AFLD chaps were observing that more than 2.5% athletes were involved in doping, the number of tests carried out was still much less than the bare minimum required to test all the athletes.

You have stage races where Tabriz chemicals is openly accused of doping, and the race organizers deftly forget to conduct blood tests.

Let us be honest. Cycling has changed, as much as US politics has become bipartisan as claimed by obama's speech before his first term.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Beautiful speech, I'd vote for you

 

[Clausfarre]

Cycling is moving forward. And at a pace that is causing some suspicion!

I love cycling but I can't see myself ever trusting more than a handful of riders again. None of them being top dawgs.

 

[Parrulo]

I think the need of the hour is to be honest with ourselves.

If you want to see entertaining racing, then forget about doping and enjoy the show.

If you want to see clean racing, go to animal planet or national geographic. pretty sure those tigers chasing deer are not doped.

The data regarding doping tests conducted by AFLD, as tabled to the french legislature, shows that these people are only interested in computing a sample of dopers; just the same way TV guys determine the ratings of programs. Even from their own results, when the AFLD chaps were observing that more than 2.5% athletes were involved in doping, the number of tests carried out was still much less than the bare minimum required to test all the athletes.

You have stage races where Tabriz chemicals is openly accused of doping, and the race organizers deftly forget to conduct blood tests.

Let us be honest. Cycling has changed, as much as US politics has become bipartisan as claimed by obama's speech before his first term.

Didn't even bother with the rest of the post, presenting something so wrong as that idea as a fact takes away any credibility from your post.

Racing was exciting in the relatively clean 80's, the problem now are that teams are too large/strong, the point systems favour defensive racing, radios and powermeters.

All that helps control racing, making it boring. Ofc there are those that say ya but we have to accept technology etc etc, but if something reduces the value of your product (in this case the product is racing) it shouldn't be introduced.

 

[Samson777]

Didn't even bother with the rest of the post, presenting something so wrong as that idea as a fact takes away any credibility from your post.

Racing was exciting in the relatively clean 80's, the problem now are that teams are too large/strong, the point systems favour defensive racing, radios and powermeters.

All that helps control racing, making it boring. Ofc there are those that say ya but we have to accept technology etc etc, but if something reduces the value of your product (in this case the product is racing) it shouldn't be introduced.

Didn't even bother with the rest of the post..

For me the worst about the Tour, was, that already before the start, I had this feeling, that no one else than Froome would be allowed the victory. And during the tour, that feeling didn't disappear..

 

[sniper]

Didn't even bother with the rest of the post..

For me the worst about the Tour, was, that already before the start, I had this feeling, that no one else than Froome would be allowed the victory. And during the tour, that feeling didn't disappear..

Froome was clearly prepared for the worst, prepared for a fully charged contador that is.
As soon as contador showed to be less than 100 percent, froome could (literally?) take his foot off the gaspedal.

 

[the sceptic]

I guess were now back to the early 2000s again. Sky started the arms race, now the rest are catching up.

Will we see more donkey to alien transformations next year when more riders start to get on this new stuff?

I feel like the sheer arrogance and obviousness of sky and Horner means they are not worried about getting busted anytime soon. So it has to be something more than the usual stuff.

 

[del1962]

I guess were now back to the early 2000s again. Sky started the arms race, now the rest are catching up.

Will we see more donkey to alien transformations next year when more riders start to get on this new stuff?

I feel like the sheer arrogance and obviousness of sky and Horner means they are not worried about getting busted anytime soon. So it has to be something more than the usual stuff.

I love this Sky started the arms race bs, even if they are doping which i doubt, you would have to beleive that Radioshack under Brunyeel in 2011 where not doping to think the armsrace had stopped previously, and you would have to think that Riis's team, Katusha and Astana where also totally clean then


To be honest ppl who beleive the sky started the arms race come across as some of the most brain dead fools in cycling

 

[DirtyWorks]

To be honest ppl who beleive the sky started the arms race come across as some of the most brain dead fools in cycling

Let's be fair. Most of them started watching cycling about the time of the London Olympics. Unless they pretend, and there are those fans, the enthusiast will run into the UCI's corruption. It's impossible to follow the sport and not run into the corruption.

 

[hrotha]

I love this Sky started the arms race bs, even if they are doping which i doubt, you would have to beleive that Radioshack under Brunyeel in 2011 where not doping to think the armsrace had stopped previously, and you would have to think that Riis's team, Katusha and Astana where also totally clean then


To be honest ppl who beleive the sky started the arms race come across as some of the most brain dead fools in cycling

You're working with the flawed assumption that anyone believes those other teams were clean. Just because there's an arms race it doesn't mean nobody was armed before, just that the situation wasn't escalating and getting completely out of control.

 

[del1962]

You're working with the flawed assumption that anyone believes those other teams were clean. Just because there's an arms race it doesn't mean nobody was armed before, just that the situation wasn't escalating and getting completely out of control.

Either they where arming themselves illegally of they weren't, just look at who was in charge at Radioshack in 2011, and then you have Riis, the Och, Ekimov, I think there seem to be some ppl (not you), who seem to have some emotional deficiency who want to blame sky for everything because they don't like the fact they claim (and probably are) clean, to me the sky started the arms race mob seem a bit unhinged

 

[veganrob]

I think this current peloton is Phats going away gift. He must have known his days were numbered so he gave everyone the go ahead. Well not quite everyone, he needed to extract revenge on some riders and others offer up for sacrifice. It is going to be a long time to get out of this mess.

 

[hrotha]

Either they where arming themselves illegally of they weren't

That's not how arms races work.

 

[Netserk]

Either they where arming themselves illegally of they weren't, just look at who was in charge at Radioshack in 2011, and then you have Riis, the Och, Ekimov, I think there seem to be some ppl (not you), who seem to have some emotional deficiency who want to blame sky for everything because they don't like the fact they claim (and probably are) clean, to me the sky started the arms race mob seem a bit unhinged

I think you might want to look up 'arms race'.

 

[del1962]

That's not how arms races work.

So what your saying is that Brunyeel would not have been using the best products he felt he could get away with?

 

[hrotha]

So what your saying is that Brunyeel would not have been using the best products he felt he could get away with?

No, I'm saying the list of "best products/procedures people felt they could get away with" is growing, and not just with new ones.

 

[del1962]

No, I'm saying the list of "best products/procedures people felt they could get away with" is growing, and not just with new ones.

So we have a new clean team with no history of doping , and you beleive they are doping worse than Brunyeel or Eki or Vino or the OCh, do you believie in unicorns

 

[Netserk]

So we have a new 'clean' team with no official history of doping , and you beleive they are doping more efficient than Brunyeel or Eki or Vino or the OCh

Yes.

10char

 

[del1962]

Yes.

10char

Do you want to buy a bridge?

 

[the sceptic]

I love this Sky started the arms race bs, even if they are doping which i doubt, you would have to beleive that Radioshack under Brunyeel in 2011 where not doping to think the armsrace had stopped previously, and you would have to think that Riis's team, Katusha and Astana where also totally clean then


To be honest ppl who beleive the sky started the arms race come across as some of the most brain dead fools in cycling

Looks like sky started a clean arms race. No positives in either the tour or vuelta means this is the cleanest peloton ever.

What do you think will happen next year del? Will more clean riders be able to climb as fast as Armstrong, or will Cookson put his foot down and only allow the brits to do that?

 

[DirtyWorks]

Either they where arming themselves illegally of they weren't

These are two false choices.

The object of the game is to win and not test positive. Not testing positive is a hurdle even I could get across.

Again, what's illegal when the federation won't apply anti-doping rules? We know they ignore and hide positives. The reason I started this post was to highlight the huge number of senior pro cycling team owners who were doping and are still running teams.

 

[42x16ss]

I love this Sky started the arms race bs, even if they are doping which i doubt, you would have to beleive that Radioshack under Brunyeel in 2011 where not doping to think the armsrace had stopped previously, and you would have to think that Riis's team, Katusha and Astana where also totally clean then


To be honest ppl who beleive the sky started the arms race come across as some of the most brain dead fools in cycling

Ok, maybe Sky didn't start the arms race, but they sure as all h@ll escalated it. It's heading straight back to the early 2000's, where there's only one candidate for GC

 

[sniper]

http://www.n-tv.de/sport/Perverser-geht-es-fuer-Athleten-fast-nicht-article11763196.html

excellent read, sobering to those who think antidoping actually works.
Thomas frei linked it on twitter.