2013 Critérium du Dauphiné Stage 5: Grésy-sur-Aix Valmorel (139 km)

[LaFlorecita]

Not at all. This is a prep race. Would have been a test to attack earlier. I reckon hé will try that later on. Today was more or less a sprint

yea I guess he will do that on the other mtf

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Apparently your sig says about absolute limit of human capacities...

Wow, what a good observation. Now back in your trollnest.

 

[Eshnar]

Wow, what a good observation. Now back in your trollnest.

stop this, both of you.

 

[Cimber]

Sorry my poor language, but I don't see Sky fans in the thread. Who are they? I see only dissapointed Conta fans and guys who perforce have to admit that Froome is better now.

I see a lot. But why is that an issue?

 

[ILovecycling]

What do you think about the best possible tactics(gain time n Froome) for Berto in the mountains?

IMO best tactics is this: about 5k from the summit(Ax3,Ventoux,Alpe,Semnoz) Saxo should set incredible tempo(for example in 1k reduce 30guys group to 5 guys, like Covadonga stage iirc) with Rogers ,Kreuziger & Roche and drop all Froome teammates(including Richie) and then Contador should wait how Froome will react(for example in the group are Froome,Contador,Valverde,Purito and Pinot),if he waits for Porte to recover - Contador should attack,if he(Dawg)sets tempo - Contador shpuld wait for last 2k and then attack.
Imo its the best tactic for Contador to gain time in MTF stages at Tour.
More important for beating Froome are stages to BdeBigore,Gap & LeGBornard imo
And of course limit losses in TT

 

[Cimber]

Such an oak conservator like you simply can't handle different opinions. Apparently your sig says about absolute limit of human capacities...

Hé has a point tough. You seem to spend more time bashing Contador than discussing Andy, since the downfall. I miss Andy and would love to see him back in top shape.

 

[Cimber]

Tank91 reasons quite rationally. I wouldn't call this pro sky bias. DT is obviously not a sky fan. so is the hitch

Being a fan doesnt make you less rational. Maybe somewhat biased. Goes for both "factions" but remember there are a lot who are neither fan of neither of them but just want a close race.

 

[airstream]

Hé has a point tough. You seem to spend more time bashing Contador than discussing Andy, since the downfall. I miss Andy and would love to see him back in top shape.

His point is anyone who treats Sky neutrally and better either understand nothing about cycling or trolls (and other rude definitions). As to Andy, no news no discussions. If I knew French I would've found something but unfortunately...Stating that Froome has more chances to win the Tour is bashing Contador?

 

[Cimber]

His point is anyone who treats Sky neutrally and better either understand nothing about cycling or trolls (and other rude definitions). As to Andy, no news no discussions. If I knew French I would've found something but unfortunately...Stating that Froome has more chances to win the Tour is bashing Contador?

Not at all but u havent failed a chance to bash Contador or his fans in the last fem years. Thats a nasty pattern which will make some ppl percieve u as a troll

 

[airstream]

Not at all but u havent failed a chance to bash Contador or his fans in the last fem years. Thats a nasty pattern which will make some ppl percieve u as a troll

I'm just wondering who could make up stuff 'when he's on form he's unbeatable'. The most awkward thing I've ever heard about cycling.

Part of fans (I'm not saying about you) simply can not and don't want to admit he loses fairly and deservedly and I'm entitled to laugh from it, because I would never say such BS about my rider no matter how bad I'd feel after their defeats

 

[JRanton]

How bad was the TV production today by the way?

Terrible. No disrespect to Busche but when Froome is bridging up to Contador you stay with that camera. It also took about 5km into the climb before we got a proper look a the main group and there was no coverage of the guys getting dropped either...

 

[LaFlorecita]

I'm just wondering who could make up stuff 'when he's on form he's unbeatable'. The most awkward thing I've ever heard about cycling.

who ever said that

 

[Zam_Olyas]

I'm just wondering who could make up stuff 'when he's on form he's unbeatable'. The most awkward thing I've ever heard about cycling.

Part of fans (I'm not saying about you) simply can not and don't want to admit he loses fairly and deservedly and I'm entitled to laugh from it, because I would never say such BS about my rider no matter how bad I'd feel after their defeats

But you could say he should be shot

 

[Eshnar]

I told you to stop.

 

[Poursuivant]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...-away-to-take-overall-lead.html#disqus_thread

Reading these articles i really don't care if it's Contador that's gonna crush them, aslong as someone does it. ****ing brits...Last year they were mad cause people said it would be a different tour with Contador and now they can't pass any chance celebrating froome is crushing him

I guess it's normal but damn it's annoying

There is nothing remotely wrong with that article. I thing your bitterness is impairing your judgment mate.

 

[Gloin22]

There is nothing remotely wrong with that article. I thing your bitterness is impairing your judgment mate.

I agree. Every newspaper does this, at least sport ones do. In Spain, if Contie won, similar headline would be created.

It's just nationalism. And in sport it's just bigger. Every newspaper is nationalistic etc.etc.

 

[LaFlorecita]

There is nothing remotely wrong with that article. I thing your bitterness is impairing your judgment mate.

I would say Froome didn't really blow Alberto away or crush him

 

[LaFlorecita]

What do you think about the best possible tactics(gain time n Froome) for Berto in the mountains?

IMO best tactics is this: about 5k from the summit(Ax3,Ventoux,Alpe,Semnoz) Saxo should set incredible tempo(for example in 1k reduce 30guys group to 5 guys, like Covadonga stage iirc) with Rogers ,Kreuziger & Roche and drop all Froome teammates(including Richie) and then Contador should wait how Froome will react(for example in the group are Froome,Contador,Valverde,Purito and Pinot),if he waits for Porte to recover - Contador should attack,if he(Dawg)sets tempo - Contador shpuld wait for last 2k and then attack.
Imo its the best tactic for Contador to gain time in MTF stages at Tour.
More important for beating Froome are stages to BdeBigore,Gap & LeGBornard imo
And of course limit losses in TT

Best tactic is to attack from 50km out

 

[Cimber]

I agree. Every newspaper does this, at least sport ones do. In Spain, if Contie won, similar headline would be created.

It's just nationalism. And in sport it's just bigger. Every newspaper is nationalistic etc.etc.

I agree, but that doesn't mean its right

 

[scholar]

Best tactic is to attack from 50km out

Best tactic is to attack at the point that gives you the best chance of winning.

It's hard to blame Sky for the fact that their best chance of winning is to attack at points that don't make for interesting racing. It just means they're not my favourite racers to watch.

 

[Poursuivant]

Best tactic is to attack from 50km out

I actually think a long distance attack may be a good idea, a la Scleck TOUR 2011, Contador Vuelta 2012.

 

[pastronef]

not a bad stage for Fuglsang, 10th at 29 sec.
the Cofidis duo Taaramae-Navarro also very good

 

[Cimber]

I'm just wondering who could make up stuff 'when he's on form he's unbeatable'. The most awkward thing I've ever heard about cycling.

Part of fans (I'm not saying about you) simply can not and don't want to admit he loses fairly and deservedly and I'm entitled to laugh from it, because I would never say such BS about my rider no matter how bad I'd feel after their defeats

Unless their is a crash, illness or clinic issue etc. its always a fair loss imo. Its the riders responsibility to show up well prepared. However, that doesn't mean there cant be explanations for poor performance, but that doesn't mean its not a fair loss/win.

No one argues that Contador on form is unbeatable (well none I have seen).

Btw just out of curiosity, I remember you once wrote the following "I never liked dominators". Does that mean you are beginning to like Contador and dislike Sky?

 

[burning]

I actually think a long distance attack may be a good idea, a la Scleck TOUR 2011, Contador Vuelta 2012.

Pantani tried that against USPS, we all know how it ended in the end
(Sure, Lance cracked but Pantani completely lost everything)

 

[Cimber]

not a bad stage for Fuglsang, 10th at 29 sec.
the Cofidis duo Taaramae-Navarro also very good

Ye was positively surprised by both Fuglsang and Taaramae